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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 27, 2011 16:19:20 GMT -6
The bankers are the problem!
Old Fart's view on the topic:
I have spread this far and wide! As much as I could... Please enjoy!
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 28, 2011 20:14:23 GMT -6
That's awesome! I watched a bunch of em last night, he's good.
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 1, 2011 21:11:23 GMT -6
We had 51 people arrested Friday morning since you can't have structures(tents) up in the civic square:( I wasn't there till Saturday morning but the people were pissed & the police presence was heavy. I'm finding out these protests do some interesting things to people, or at least protesting in general. Here's a cool song to listen too:
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While you watch this link:)
Look at how were all starting to take an interest in how we're influenced on a daily basis by trivial things like junk mail. I never would have thought of it, but think of what it does to you as a person more than the actual effect it may or may not have on a bank/corporation.
I wont be surprised to see more of these"How to videos" down the line as things progress. Is it interesting? does it matter? Maybe not, but watching our race suddenly all at once feeling like authority has gone on for too long with out to much accountability or pressure from "bellow". Why do we all suddenly feel as if it has to happen now? Why not ten or twenty years ago? And I'm not talking about a protest against the war, but specifically the need to be active in how things are run from on high & to be apart of it. Sure the economy is an issue & that's what set it off, but no movement has ever had demands so massive & almost unrealistic as the Occupy's. It would be hard to satisfy the crowed:)
Cthulhu always comes to mind when I'm at these events, the insanity or heightened emotions of dealing with all the other protesters while trying to stay together as a unit is quite an experience. One guy wants violence, the other one liberation. It's pretty hard holding on to the hive mind most of us want, sort of a challenge to me you could say, but I'm also just interested.
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Post by sin on Nov 2, 2011 6:17:46 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Nov 7, 2011 13:02:47 GMT -6
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 7, 2011 21:28:06 GMT -6
Loved the Pod Cora. I don't mind some of the people at the Occupy hearing it, but they're mostly just the squatter kids & other NONE protester types that we unfortunately have to deal with. I disagree with the people who want hand outs & would prefer a Free Market(as much as I've come to understand it recently) with less Government regulations. There are a million sides to whether a Free Market is good or bad, but at one time , the industrial revolution may not have seemed that bad to the children & adults that were in it. We like to think they spent ever day crying saying "Oh God, when will it end!" but actually people didn't get really pist till way latter on. So it's a matter of perspective I think.
You talked a lot about the Occupy movement needing to make a move not against Wall street, but against the Government it's self. I will tell you that one rumor we're all playing with is the possibility of marching to the Federal Reserve. So we're not completely one sided.
You also mention how free loaders are at these events wanting more, but I can tell that this movement will not just be about the rich being put on the spot, but also the poor who expect so much. My hope is that our educating process(teach-ins) along with pure pressure from the Occupy members them selves will encourage a new attitude from all people of all walks of life. In fact some poor people have felt uncomfortable being at the Occupy event merely because they don't want to be conscious of anything. We'll fuck them too I say, so I agree with you.
One tactic I use to involve the Free Loaders, is that instead of holding a teach-in out where it's private & conducive to learning, I encourage the teach-in to be right in the middle of the most rowdy & useless bunch lol.
It's definitely going to be a hard road raising awareness of not only the bad that the top commit, but also the bad the low commits. Hopefully there will be a raising of consciousness all together.
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Post by sin on Nov 8, 2011 11:43:58 GMT -6
Oh hey, thanks for giving them a listen.
I wonder, how a protest on say the WC compares to that on the EC?
I can tell you, my own observations of the protests here in Hampton Roads, VA - there are maybe a handful of people I can identify as hopeful organizers. Others, are just there for the co-motion, and posturing themselves as doing something important. What? They usually don't have the answers. Just a bunch of gobbeldy gook and Patriot nonsense.
A friend of mine and I intend to go to one of these and video-interview protesters with our own line of questions. I'm just trying to organize our schedules to coincide with a day-time event.
As to the actions to be taken:
1. I just don't see what a March on the Federal Reserve will do, aside give it media attention. On one hand, I can see how media attention may be exactly what you want but on the other - is this really going to cause a change and if so what?
2. Forcing a new attitude. Not a bad idea, but what is the right attitude for Americans to have? I mean, its not as if economists are not talking themselves blue in the face and nothing changes. I can tell you from personal experience that in the full swing of the Fair Trade movement, people still preferred to buy cheap coffee in favor of supporting child slave labor. They just don't give a shit when the lights go down, and the camera is off. People vote with their dollars. So, each time one of these activist nuts runs off and buys cheap coffee in favor of Fair Trade Coffee - there you have it. A vote has been cast. An American has voted in favor of corporations that produce their goods off the backs of outsourced labor (often children in poor conditions), dehumanizing the workers, and that is what is served on the American breakfast table. God Bless America!
Awareness in ANY context will be met with the same challenges. Temporary awareness lulled back to sleep by the monster of habit.
Raise awareness but make sure you are raising the Correct awareness.
Remember the path.
www.thebigview.com/buddhism/eightfoldpath.html
If you identify the incorrect path, surely there will be a force to neutralize any effort you make to serve as a cultural corrector. Remember yourself, and know - that the same applies in the mirror.
RISE!
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 9, 2011 23:13:02 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Nov 10, 2011 7:21:05 GMT -6
It pretty much summarized some of my commentary from my podcast 
CS
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Post by sin on Nov 10, 2011 9:05:49 GMT -6
Our Occupy movement here in Norfolk, VA - news coverage:
hamptonroads.com/2011/11/2-arrested-police-disband-occupy-norfolk-campsite
"City spokeswoman Lori Crouch said the city has decided not to renew the camping permit for Occupy Norfolk. A police officer notified the protesters early this morning that it was to expire at 9 a.m."
The protestors are free to protest, its the camping permit that will not be renewed. The group thought they had to just about before parade scheduled on 11/19, but the City must prepare the area for the parade and I don't think its unreasonable to allow 8 days (6 working days) to do so. The public outcry on this is ridiculous. More sensationalism!
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 10, 2011 21:03:27 GMT -6
We came up against similar events such as near by theater Shows like"Hair" or (can't remember the other) dance show as well. But We all had to move up stream a little to make room.
Once again I'm not sure if my idea is a good one but perhaps it would be wiser for the Occupy M to see if it can merge with these other events instead of battling them. I still am having a hard time figuring out what approach would be better when it comes to winning hearts & minds.
Here are some options:
#1 That were an angry/deviant mob- (as the news has explained) who have problems with theft, bowel control & possibly rape going on:) In which case the public might still be understanding considering the amount of people at these events all trying to live together.
#2 That were all commi/Socialist/Welfare babies who want free hand outs. In which case it's pathetic but we still win over the public with how brutal the police look on You Tube.
#3 (and this is my favorite so far) That were seen singing & dancing in solidarity while feeding the poor & praising the cops that their apart of the 99%.
Most people hate to see the cops doing some of the stuff they do & that helps neutral people back off, but their must be a better way to get a hold on things & make some enforcements. Problem with that is that in some cities the homeless are battling us because of our Occupy Cops that we have.hhhhaaa. It is the worst of humanity mixed in with some of the best & it just fascinates me as to how to make it work!
The real problem & strength is that no one group will take responsibility for it all. That's because we don't want it! If the Socialists step up & say "hey,we got it" then that will alienate. Same goes for other groups.
I think one valuable lesson we all are learning is that if we see something we don't like(stealing wiping poo on a wall), then it's up to us to say something. I stress that when ever I'm asked my opinion since a lot of people are passive.
As for the city needing to make room for other events or pushing us out so they can clean.....I really don't know what to say about that. I mean to some degree we need to make a statement by not moving, while at the same time it does clear out some of the undesirables:) and keep us close to where all the people are at. The point is exposure & I've had this discussion with several people about the image we're portraying & how to win over the public.
So as much as it might sound weak, I might say, maybe integrate somehow & "MOVE" with the city. I think commercially & always thought I'd be good in advertising so I don't know where I stand. Maybe after I'm arrested a couple time I'll feel differently:) Hopefully it wont come to that though.
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Nov 10, 2011 23:04:26 GMT -6
That woman is an idiot! One thing the protestors are fighting for is for people like her husband to have a pension plan and to get good benefits as well as having to work fewer hours. It's not right that one man should have to do all the work he does and the reason he has to do that much is because it's actually cheaper to pay him overtime than to give someone else a good job. Fuck her! And fuck the oil companies! They essentially have the government in their pockets thanks to lobbyists! That shit also has got to stop!
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 11, 2011 4:52:47 GMT -6
Another thing that struck me is the relationship between the Occupiers & the local businesses near by. I hear New York struck up a dialog with the near by businesses to put them at ease. We did the same thing, but in SD it's way less. All the people who are "in charge"(which is mostly just you & I) made "personal agreements" with them till things ran smoothly. Which is cool, but it's to bad the local shops take a hit on commerce when you'd think they'd make a couple bucks off us.?.. So that's kinda weird, It's a weird trade off. www.blogtalkradio.com/poisonappleradio/2011/11/04/octopi-oaklandYou brought up how a proper protest can continue & maintain within the "perimeters of the law", but if it doesn't, then you don't wanna hear any tears latter... I agree. Perhaps protests are something more than just what the people want & possibly has to do with a general aggression towards something else, something to do with a desire to feel empowered. Which for the poor might only be understood through numbers(& the disasters that come with it). It's to bad, but perhaps it's natural. The trick & the lesson is more learned by the idealist who thinks he can make something of the masses in opposition too the powerful. & in so doing learns what the human race is actually worth. So perhaps the only people that will come out of this with anything useful, will not be the (Rich who covet their positions) or the poor (that covet theirs)but people like me who want to see if there's any hope for it all. Like an experiment. Can these people pull it together with what scattered & reluctant leaders they got & actually make us the legendary "Voice of the People" they want(&deserve us to be) so we can maybe make some changes. After experiencing a little protesting I realize we should be doing this a lot more often:)hahaha Especially in a country like America, where sympathy & guilt are a lot higher:) The public is here for the taking, you just gotta fight your way through the mass of advertizing to burrow your way down into the heart & cut out your own little piece. I will say it's a strange feeling knowing your able to summon a crowed of 2 or 300 people to yell what you want to yell & fight against what you want to fight against. It's pretty cool. It drops in your lap a lot of responsibility, a lot of decisions. In fact it's kinda cool to watch the "reactionaries" try to inspire you to take action(till you hear what they got to say) & you realize their drunk:) Then you just gotta look at each other with that "He's fucked up" look hahahah. Lol. It's a blast I must say! It absolutely intrigues me that we may or may not be able to educate the poor on just how important a change can only come from the bottom to the top. The bottom must be in unison with our one mind movement. Otherwise the top will learn nothing. Strange how it's so preschool in it's simplicity that the two are interconnected & cannot live without each other. I'm in it with the fucking Socialists this weekend lol & can't wait to see what they come up with. It's like total pandemonium trying to find who will be in charge & when do we act. I love it. But who knows where it'll go? Commercially, we might just become a voting block like everything else. Just another voice of the people like the Evangelical movement. We bite the cord & just accept that all we can do is elect another corrupt politician compared to the other corrupt politician we we're gonna vote for, till things just run smoothly again. So it's a hard call. I do feel that this is a transitory stage for the Occupy movement since I've seen them turn away one or two "real" public officials(Governors) in hopes of keeping the movement leaderless. It will definitely be a monster very hard to get a handle on Lol. Jesus, I feel like I could talk about this forever. So If other Cultists could speak up, you got nothing to lose. Even if your an idiot with no no how whatsoever, let it fly man. Awake! |
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Nov 11, 2011 13:38:51 GMT -6
Well it they want a leaderless movement, they would have to consider that it may become just an unruly mob at any given point! As such, the powers that be would do well to choose their words carefully... Also, as an impartial observer and supporter via other methods, I feel that this movement is slowly but surely solidifying into something greater! Something that cannot be controlled or contained! And I agree with Old Fart as it's high time the people take their country back! It will be very interesting to see how this plays out and where everything stands after the smoke clears... I believe that's called "the aftermath..."
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Post by sin on Nov 15, 2011 7:58:14 GMT -6
news.yahoo.com/police-arrest-70-wall-street-protesters-094303924.htmlSome of the Occupiers are stating that the police are 'nit picking' to break up the protests. They are tasked with keeping order, this isn't a dictatorship. It's a Republic.
Police state indeed.
Public health and safety is a way to maintain order. If order was not kept, there may be an anti-Occupy movement on the movement.
CS
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Post by sin on Nov 15, 2011 8:17:05 GMT -6
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Post by xoc on Nov 21, 2011 9:34:15 GMT -6
I saw the video of that, it was disgusting. Some of the more liberal minded folks talk about how good the protest is... But anyone who lives near where it's happening are not saying good things. What is wrong with people?
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Post by sin on Nov 21, 2011 9:45:23 GMT -6
I think, its an attempt at thumbing one's nose at authority and expectations of personal dignity. Some of it is for shock and awe to gain attention for the cause. Mostly, its just humans being the filthy animals that they are.
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 21, 2011 11:52:21 GMT -6
Lol, that is outrageous. The should come up with a "poo committee" that watches for this shit(pun intended)lol.
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Post by xoc on Nov 21, 2011 15:48:37 GMT -6
Lol, that is outrageous. The should come up with a "poo committee" that watches for this shit(pun intended)lol. Awaken I can't wait until as Cora says, being the animals they are, they start flinging it.  |
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Post by sin on Nov 22, 2011 7:29:50 GMT -6
Hell, that's the epitome of this entire movement, shit slinging.
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Post by sin on Dec 5, 2011 9:06:11 GMT -6
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 5, 2011 9:12:17 GMT -6
Hahaha!
By His loathsome tentacles,
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Post by boksmutant on Dec 9, 2011 0:56:24 GMT -6
I found this guy who explains things pretty good. He gets mentioned by conservative radio talk shows as the one few protester's that has a coherent message, unlike the others lol.
He actually got pretty famous off this rant.
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 10, 2011 5:14:55 GMT -6
IS it only ME who remembers the 1990's?
In the 1990s you had books like RICH MAN POOR MAN and HOME SHOPPING products that was aimed at conquering the REAL ESTATE market, which you the partaker buy a house and(re)finance it to buy another house and so on and so on and quess what happened after that, a boom in sub-prime market which lead to you know what.
Corporate greed is the cause of our economic woes my f***ing backside!!!!
Corporate greed is only one of the factors that lead to the financial crisis.
I am a huge believer in individual irresponsibility and those that over extended their finances, most of them I don't feel sorry who as they played and lost and over extended erroneously.
LD
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Post by sin on Dec 11, 2011 7:11:50 GMT -6
The very idea of 'Corporate Greed' is just another element of societal programming and imposed morality. People are just pissed off because they didn't think of the idea first, or marry into the 'family' of people who pursue such endeavors.
Trust me, I've been there - you sell your very soul for every penny. And many of these corporation donate to charities to keep the social monkeys off their backs. But, it will never be enough. The mob is fickle and demanding.
I agree LD, when people make choices and over-extend themselves why should the rest of us be responsible for digging them out of the hole they put themselves in? Sure, there are some circumstances which are beyond personal control (such as death, accidents, disasters), but people are resilient (I'd say its a fair comparison to the cockroach). It's the false sense of entitlement that keeps them falling deeper and deeper into the abyss.
I've survived 2 floods and a fire, and I'm often looking at other people like WTF? I did it with no help from anyone, why can't you? Why indeed.
Opposing nature is a double-edges sword. On one hand, you work against Satan's Church and on the other the marvels of social ethics and science keep the weak for the strong to carry.
So then, if this is the way things are - what are the appropriate changes we should be making? How much of that burden should be carried by the individual, and what is the benefit for doing so?
Think in terms of a Lovecraftian Theocracy, envision yourself sitting in a council meeting to answer this question. How will you answer?
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Post by sin on Dec 22, 2011 9:55:45 GMT -6
Let's use the 8 Fold Path as a conceptual model here.
The Right View?
I don't think so. I think its a case of solipsism to believe that Corporations and Government are solely responsible for our economic and social decline. Every citizen plays a role, and every citizen should have the back-bone to stand up and take responsibility for that. Perhaps the, they may view the forest through the trees.
The Right Intention?
Not as far as I can tell. The things people are demanding during this movement lack logic and rationale. Sure, there are a handful of intelligent people mixed in there, but they will be muted by the masses of irrational and unintelligible people. The road to hell is always paved with 'good intentions'.
The Right Speech?
Occupy. Occupation. The language cuts like a razor. And the various rants and raves heard during this movement are too recoculous to recount. I think I've seen and heard a total of (2) speeches given by individuals that may be motivating and rational, the rest? Horrid.
Right Livelihood?
This deals in ethical development, and lets face it. The American populace has a poor work ethic by comparison to other nations that are beating us in the race to progress. In addition, the corruption lies not only with faulty legislation, but also with private citizens. Both Corporations and citizens will take advantage of a loop hole if its available, and work the 'system' to their advantage. This is considered unethical livelihood, and affects the society as a whole.
Right Effort, Mindfulness, and Concentration?
Nope, this thing is off the charts and all over the place which is why it's not getting the support it expects, nor will it produce much outside of befuddled awareness about the issues. What efforts should be made? There are a number I can think of, but even then are not guaranteed to ensure that people don't throw everything AND the kitchen sink into the mix to befuddle it once more. Out of Chaos comes order, and out of order comes Chaos.
Conclusion:
There are a great number of changes needed in this nation. Until people get their shit together, and educate themselves properly about world issues, all of this is for naught.
That's my .02 for today. Rinse and repeat.
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