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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2012 8:50:50 GMT -6
This passage chap. 17 deserve attention :
"We should know that everything is written on the human face; but one must know how to read it. The same goes for the human body; its attitudes, its behavior, its walk, or the poses it strikes in different situations, all betray the inner content of the man. Having learned to know himself, man 4 can decipher others."
I'm currently in the process of choosing and buying a second-hand car, and it is quite funny for me to deal with sellers telling me they found a guy offering them more than me, and clearly reading on their faces it is false. ;D
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 4, 2012 18:46:33 GMT -6
Good stuff!
Let's hear from more Cultists. Take the quiz or just start discussing the Mesoteric Cycle.
Finish the book by next Monday. Write a review for amazon.com Better yet, post a blog on the Cult of Cthulhu social network based on the themes of Gnosis.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 9, 2012 6:40:40 GMT -6
Book Two: Mesoteric Cycle has a lot of interesting things to say about the emotional centers (high and low), especially negative emotions. Thoughts? Has anyone applied the knowledge found in the Mesoteric Cycle to their being?
Fusion = Crystallization. Now, on page 218, the second to last paragraph of chapter 19 attempts to throw us off. Nevertheless, Mouravieff's fusion is parallel to the Crystallization of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, etc. Just as constatation is another name for Self-Remembering.
What did those still involved in the Gnosis study group think of the 5 stages of fusion?
Who has finished the book? Are you prepared to give us your impression? Have you started writing an amazon review?
Awake!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2012 4:03:00 GMT -6
OK I finished the book. Well, the end is the best part.
Mouravieff emphasize a lot on polar beings, but it must be possible to Work and to succeed without it, as monk did for millenniums at least.
I'm sorry it is not described how to know is you succeeded the fusion. I recognize my own experience in all the successive states of mind described, I could (almost) write the book so far and that's a confirmation, I'm serene and my master "I" is firmly in command. But what about after the last step? I did it or not yet? Answer in the third book maybe...
As above, so below. When with little efforts everything is getting in order and for the best below in the physical, material world, does it means all is for the best above were the efforts are done?
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you (Matthew 6:33)
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 14, 2012 8:08:58 GMT -6
OK I finished the book. Well, the end is the best part.
Mouravieff emphasize a lot on polar beings, but it must be possible to Work and to succeed without it, as monk did for millenniums at least.
I'm sorry it is not described how to know is you succeeded the fusion. I recognize my own experience in all the successive states of mind described, I could (almost) write the book so far and that's a confirmation, I'm serene and my master "I" is firmly in command. But what about after the last step? I did it or not yet? Answer in the third book maybe...
As above, so below. When with little efforts everything is getting in order and for the best below in the physical, material world, does it means all is for the best above were the efforts are done?
But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you (Matthew 6:33)
By His loathsome tentacles ! Knowing when you've reached proper fusion or right crystallization... I'll probably develop this into a short essay soon; however, let me say this. Just before making the lion's share of one's progress one realizes just how far is the road yet to come.
Awake!
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Post by jtellio on Jun 16, 2012 13:48:30 GMT -6
"Yes, this is an interesting take on the Devil. I've encountered it before Gnosis. On the one hand, it makes sense... evil, suffering, and injustice is accounted for; the ledger balanced. However, on the other hand, the concept is arbitrary, bureaucratic, and apologist in nature. This description of the Christian trinity reminds me of a battered wife who excuses her husband for his unwarranted abuse. "Of course he hit me. I made him angry." I suppose that means if human beings turn the channel away from God's sunday football game, overcook his steak, or ask him why he was out all night, then we somehow deserve punishment."
Well, from a Christian perspective, and the question of why God allows Evil to exist, it could be said that he is not directly or indirectly the cause of Evil. He illuminates the mystery of Evil in his son Jesus Christ who died and rose in order to vanquish the moral evil of human sin, root of all other evils. ( source-catechism) Faith helps to understand that God would not permit evil if he did not cause a good to come from that very evil. This is realised in a wondrous way by God in the death and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 21, 2012 10:55:46 GMT -6
I just posted my amazon.com review for The Mesoteric Cycle. Hopefully, others will do the same - no matter what you thought of it. Here it is...
This is a difficult book to "get into", just as reviewing it will most assuredly be tricky. Who is going to read amazon reviews for The Mesoteric Cycle, anyways? If you've already finished The Exoteric Cycle and found that valuable, then I assume one will eventually get to Book 2. Will my words or the words of any Mesoteric Cycle reviewer make a difference? Perhaps these critiques are for those, like myself, who have just finished the second volume and need to either spout off or take in some feedback about what we've read. I don't know, but here are my thoughts, in any case.
I find Mouravieff to be frustrating, revelatory, and then, unfortunately, back to frustrating. He seems to *know* but have some difficulty explaining things fully or with the passion needed to implant certain seeds into his audience. Just when he seems to be confusing the subject or talking about something seemingly unrelated, Mouravieff comes out with a real gem of wisdom. Irritatingly, instead of polishing this jewel so that every brilliant facet is understood, he decides to cast it aside in favor of a new spot to dig. By the way, not so with Maurice Nicoll - read his commentaries asap.
For the record, I didn't have any problem with his own ideas. I believe Mouravieff's intuition serves him well regarding a spiritual elite and "new world order". In fact, I wish his intuition would come out more often. Maybe then he could reconcile the traditional Christian paradigm with those Gnostic beliefs which hold God (at least a third of Him) to be inherently evil... or, at least, hostile to humanity.
Invisible combat, constatation, polar opposites, courtly love, the 2nd threshold, 4 steps on the staircase, energy from SOL - 12, etc. Occasionally, this tradition is exhausting. If, at the end of the day, Mouravieff's system is nothing more than putting B Influences above A Influences, then why such a long, in-depth trilogy; especially when his personalized (not vague generalizations) accounts of putting B Influences first are so few and far between?!?
I am grateful for the many figures included in The Mesoteric Cycle. While I didn't find them all useful, there were a few that clarified Mouravieff's point. In fact, I would have liked to see more.
Also, the Cult of Cthulhu forum is hosting an ongoing study group thread for all three volumes. Feel free to visit the CoC discussion boards.
As for The Esoteric Cycle... yes, I'll be reading that shortly. I'm not sure what to expect, but live in hope that it will further elucidate the mysteries we seek. On that note, let me end this review with a quote from page 159, "This is the mission of Gnosis, of which the third and last volume will mark the achievement, laying a stone in the foundations of the sublime Temple of the Third Testament, which must be built by the collective efforts of the Initiated to serve as a common denominator for the Churches of Christ." Indeed, whatever that means.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 2, 2012 13:03:24 GMT -6
Who is ready for Book III, The Esoteric Cycle? Start reading the first 20 - 25 pages or so. Post your thoughts, as well as, anything about Book II that you'd like to discuss.
Awake!
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Post by patience on Jul 8, 2012 22:36:56 GMT -6
I am ready, though I am currently spread thin. It is summer and I am Camp Mom for my son and taking puppy classes.
So far, I am really liking all the history in the first part of the book.
Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2012 10:16:35 GMT -6
I finished reading the five first chapters.
I think it's disappointing. 50 years after the writing of this book, we may judge his predictions... were is the moral elite of mankind, supposed to be in the making 50 years before ? Worse, the moral collapse of our civilization is more and more obvious, and no positive changes nor great men in sight. How is Greece, our new model ?
I will finish the book, then I'll return to tome 1 which is really of interest.
By his loathsome tentacles.
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Post by patience on Jul 11, 2012 12:09:53 GMT -6
I finished reading the five first chapters.
Worse, the moral collapse of our civilization is more and more obvious, and no positive changes nor great men in sight. How is Greece, our new model ?
I will finish the book, then I'll return to tome 1 which is really of interest.
By his loathsome tentacles. - i don't know about moral collapse... Were people more moral or something in the past? I always am quick to consider public killings made into sport like gladiators, there was a time when it was acceptable to beat your wife or children in the public eye. I always wonder why people think today is worse, there are just more people today. Any way. I was just thinking about this: 'How is Greece, our new model ?' When I was reading that part with Greece leading the way. Maybe if the Euro fails and the current economic foundation crumbles, Greece will have answers lol. If I was more educated in these matters I would have a lot more to offer. Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
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Post by haskanael on Jul 12, 2012 3:30:54 GMT -6
If you wan't true Morality among their own people you should go waaaay back to the tribal times even pre roman, men was to bussy to survive to misbehave to their kinsmen.
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Post by patience on Jul 17, 2012 10:10:39 GMT -6
If you wan't true Morality among their own people you should go waaaay back to the tribal times even pre roman, men was to bussy to survive to misbehave to their kinsmen. - Oh. Well like when people lived in large family units, foraged and hunted = Tribal? People respected one-another more, and behaved morally? I don't know. I guess I need to learn more about what that word 'moral' means before I can agree or disagree with you. peace Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 8, 2012 22:26:40 GMT -6
Boris Mouravieff Gnosis Books:-Review In One Sentence “I always wanted to know more in depth what kind of heresies people got killed for, these books are filling in the blanks nicely”. – The Historic Comedian“While reading these books I can’t help but giggle and then go EEEWWWWW, OUCH, OUCHY, followed by cringing and then giggle some more regarding why people got persecuted for their beliefs and how they interpret and implement their version of GNOSIS and all the arguments and counter arguments associated with them; anybody got a time machine? I want to go stir the pot some more!!!”-Loki Dreaming
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 8, 2012 22:28:44 GMT -6
“Homo Sapiens lives immersed in his everyday life to a point where he forgets himself and forgets where he is going; yet, without feeling it, he knows that death cuts off everything” page 20, Book 1
“Death, the final destination; no matter how lost you are.”- The Historic Comedian
“As an occultist, one learns to transcend death and become.”-Loki Dreaming
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 8, 2012 22:33:35 GMT -6
'Nevertheless, neither is the woman without the man, nor man without the woman in the Lord' page23, Book 1
*“…………………………………………………………………………………………………………” –The Historic Comedian *Removed, due to inappropriate contents
How do I explain this TABOO church subject without the church ordering a hit on me? -Loki Dreaming
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Post by patience on Aug 9, 2012 13:25:04 GMT -6
I am just about done with book 3. Looking forward to reading more input from others on this book. As well as looking forward to seeing if I can share something worth sharing once I finish it. lol.
Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
peace
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 11, 2012 21:29:11 GMT -6
Gnosis Side Project?
If forward the motion of a gnosis side project on writing an essay on pages xii-xvi, Book 1 as it would be an excellent way of to understand/comprehend the subject matter discussed in these pages.
LD
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 11, 2012 21:34:53 GMT -6
@pateince,
Mostly, I have avoided reading others response post ad tried to come up with my own thoughts/musings and conclusions on the book as a way of testing my understanding/comprehension and a way ruff guide to how much more work I need to do and the only time I do read others responses is to have a sneak peak at the response to post to make sure I am barking up the right tree or to respond back after I have posted my musings which I am in the process of doing aka PRODUCTION HELL.
Therefore on the other hand, know exactly how you feel.
Just start with topics,subjects that you have read in these books that you can not get out of your system/resonate with you strongly/etc, that is always a good place to start if in doubt.
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Post by patience on Aug 24, 2012 21:53:28 GMT -6
@pateince, Just start with topics,subjects that you have read in these books that you can not get out of your system/resonate with you strongly/etc, that is always a good place to start if in doubt. LD. ok, I will do that. I finished last night. Sometimes i stink with follow through, but I will give it a go this weekend. Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
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Post by patience on Sept 3, 2012 23:05:19 GMT -6
I really like this part on page 218:
"Disciples - necessarily two- who choose the Fifth Way, the Knight and the lady of his dreams, whether they are so in truth or honesty claiming to be so, must endeavor to act in all circumstances of their inner and outer life as if they were already united in their consciousness of the real 'I', which is indivisible although bipolar, and ONE for their two Personalities and their two bodies. Their task is more difficult and strenuous than that of the sly Man. For, right from the beginning, it demands a great conscious effort - in principle permanent - of self-mastery by both partners of the couple'
I keep coming back to this part in the book because my husband and I both have been working on our marriage, which has been a struggle at various times. Part of the struggle has come from the fact that sometimes I think working on my self is more important and solely separate from the marriage. After reading this book and also looking over some things from my past I see how at this point it is the wrong approach for me, the marriage actually has been helpful in my quest to understand myself. Because I am still married, but have made a lot of mistakes in the marriage, I have had a chance to make some corrections in my behavior through the goal of preserving the marriage (for various reasons) but not the marriage that I had before, a marriage that is fulfilling to both Josh and I. I mean making the marriage stronger and more flexible, as well as learning more about my emotional output and how it affects my husband, how he affects me...and the effect of this knowing can be transformation in our partnership. Same goes with Josh as he has been learning more about me and working on his own choice of words; as well as where he concentrates his efforts. Instead of being solely focused on achieving some goal in a video game like World of Warcraft, he has started working on a lot of pieces of his self, to be a 'better' mate for me. Same goes with the structure of our marriage as being less authoritarian, and realizing my role needs to be a bit different than it had been in the past.
So this section does keep popping up in my mind. I think that there are just some important relationships that help us as we strive to be better. It is not always marriage either...certain friendships and individuals we form bonds with become important areas where we can learn to grow through inspecting the relations we are building with others. This is probably common sense to a lot of people, I tend to be a person who tunes out and hides at times so to me it means a lot when I can remember that relationships are important on some level for my own inner growth.
Any way it is super late and I need to get to bed so I can make sure I get up in time to make my son some pancakes for his first day back to school.
I hope I can contribute more on the book.
Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
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Post by patience on Sept 30, 2012 19:11:09 GMT -6
Will anyone else share their thoughts on the last book? ) I know that there is a lot in this book that is over my head and was hoping for more input by you skilled and knowledgeable forum members. Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 29, 2012 16:23:00 GMT -6
The following is my amazon review of Gnosis III - Esoteric Cycle. It's been a harrowing journey - mostly because I couldn't find the time once my enthusiasm waned. At first, I thought maybe I was going through a 4th Way slump or nature was exerting its TV/pizza influence over me. I decided to just dive back into Mouravieff's interpretation of the 4th Way to discover that my interest reflected the content of Book III (in my opinion).
Oh well, at least it's over. As a decompression exercise, I'm going to read Taking with the Left Hand by William Patrick Patterson. Though I didn't care for his last 4th Way book (Eating the 'I'), there's a section of TwtLH on Mouravieff.
Anyways, if anyone wishes to discuss Book III here in this thread, please don't let me stop you. Post!
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In my opinion, Book III is the most personal, subjective, limiting, off-topic, and human of the Gnosis series. I learned more from the tangents than I did about direct, transcendent C Influences (The importance of zero and that Demiurge means craftsman). And the 4th Way stuff I did happen to encounter eschewed the micro-cosmic individual struggle type of Work which, I believe, most students require. Instead, Mouravieff gives us his heavy handed approach to a global government, some kind of one human, one vote deal. Basically, a benevolent, democratic, and conscious New World Order.
Theorizing is one thing, and Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, Nicoll, and other 4th Way Masters gave precious little time, space, and energy to imagining a specific human civilization of the future. That's probably a good thing, because Book III goes overboard with announcing a potential age of the Holy Spirit forged by our children, guided by Fourth Way teaching, and influenced by the third absolute eternal galaxy of the seventh universe, according to the Mesa-Octave of B flat (see figure 111).
Lots of biblical passages and explanations of biblical passages. Mouravieff refers back to his previous books quite a bit. That's good if the original point pertains to the Work. Not so good if it's an excuse to come at the 4th Way from the backside of the Sly Man's not-very-shortcut. Oh, and there's some superfluous yammering about the 5th Way being the union of perfect romantic love between two students of the Work... or whatever.
Fortunately, it's not all useless. I underlined some interesting bits such as, "Thus the phenomenal world accessible to us is only part of the whole. The remainder is hidden from us because of our total incapacity to imagine it." (Very Lovecraftian!!!) Or that external contemplation simultaneously accompanied by introspection is necessary for Self-Remembering. Nothing earth-shattering, but it keeps certain things at the forefront of one's mind.
Ultimately, this is not at all essential for the seeker of esoteric wisdom. For those who really liked Books I and II, number III is barely worth reading. I assumed (blindly hoped, really) that the Esoteric Cycle would culminate in a revelation of practical Fourth Way gems glittering with such strange angles that my conception of the Work might be forever altered! Nope. More like a really long afterthought to the Exoteric and Mesoteric Cycles, bolstered by a few interesting footnotes.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 12, 2012 12:32:54 GMT -6
This is my amazon review of Taking with the Left Hand. I'm posting it here because a good portion of the book relates to "The Mouravieff Phenomenon".
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This is a difficult book to review because it's primary goal is to disprove or disapprove of certain individuals, teachings, and interpretations. As the author stated in the beginning of the book, Taking with the Left Hand is a fairly negative work.
However, there's some good stuff in here, too. Positive stuff. Gurdjieff and Ouspensky are quoted often, but unfortunately it's usually the same 4 or 5 quotes over and over again, as if repetition alone made it true.
I agree with most of William Patrick Patterson's conclusions, but the work he's shown doesn't necessarily resonate with me. For instance, the Enneagram craze seems worthless to me because man's fixation on symbols, diagrams, and esoteric eight balls is, at its root, worthless. Sure, I believe that, in the right hands, the Enneagram can be a useful tool. But is it somehow necessary to understand the Fourth Way? No, I certainly don't think so.
As for the author's attacks upon the "people of the bookmark", he takes a bizarre strategy. Attacking the concept of Self-Remembering, first of all. Then repeating what some of Burton's ex-followers and acquaintances said. Finally, Patterson discredits him by finding fault with Burton's interpretation of the Work... his love of art, fine dining, theater, etc. Tangentially, that reminds me of the current, Gilmore-run Church of Satan. Instead of Indulgence, Epicureanism is the new direction... the new aeon. Nevertheless, Patterson didn't prove Burton's ignorance or false-prophetization. It's what happens when one reads a text or talks face-to-face with a teacher that matters most. When an outsider sees what has been accomplished. But, for what it's worth, I still agree with Patterson's conclusion. Robert Burton probably isn't a Man # 6, 7, or anything of the sort.
As for Mouravieff and his Gnosis trilogy, Patterson makes the biggest sin of all, in my estimation. And this kind of ties in with the "people of the bookmark" portion of the text, too. Ouspensky is denigrated. In fact, he's effectively downgraded to most-widely-read-disciple-of-Gurdjieff rather than the 4th Way Master that he is. Are Ouspensky and Gurdjieff on the same level? It's a good question, but to answer it unequivocally is to miss the point entirely. Each Teacher must teach in his own way, by his own understanding that is unique to him. 4th Way teachers aren't collected like baseball cards nor placed into color-coded brackets where red is superior to purple which is inferior to orange, etc. Gurdjieff is not the Work, but the father of it. Ouspensky might have garnered the disapproval of Gurdjieff, but that doesn't mean much to me. For all his higher consciousness, Gurdjieff was still human... all too human.
Side note: I get the impression that Patterson might also object to the Cthulhu Cult as a Fourth Way School, but who knows... Or perhaps we're one of those pseudo-esoteric groups which are useful but ultimately too non-conforming and without a direct line to Gurdjieff (or Gurdjieff approved teacher) to Awaken anyone?
Alright, enough of my criticisms. This is an interesting book. Valuable for the few Work gems which are omitted from most Work texts - at one point, Gurdjieff was near suicidal from lack of results? A few choice quotes by Lord Pentland, Patterson's teacher, help make Taking with the Left Hand a pleasure to read. I'm going to acquire his book, Exchanges Within. And a brief excerpt from another book by Patterson, Struggle of the Magicians, is a welcome addition, too. Although, again the reader is subjected to anti-Ouspenski propaganda.
All in all, this is a worthwhile, albeit unorthodox, text. Given the title, I would have enjoyed some discussion on the moral question of 4th Way students, and of the ego itself. How does one reconcile those parts which make us human, non-mechanical but inherently dark (evil, one might say), with those parts that are mechanical, unconscious but selfless? Basically, if we're focusing solely on carrying out divine will, then what about individual will? Isn't that the same as doing the professor's homework only to neglect our own? Where might the two overlap? Patterson never discusses the right hand versus Left Hand Path dichotomy, but I wish he would have.
Awake!
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Now, I'm about to order Exchanges Within from amazon. If it looks worthwhile, then perhaps I'll organize yet another study group around the text.
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Post by sin on Dec 12, 2012 13:55:54 GMT -6
I've noted a trend in testimonials over the years. People come and go, they claim that the CoC is responsible for the spark of Awakening, then they disappear. Are they out there manifesting their Will or was it too hard to maintain? I guess we'll never really know.
Some people return and start a posting frenzy claiming that the forum is a source of inspiration. Maybe that's true, even if only temporarily. Then they disappear again.
The postings have been sporadic and by a handful of users.
What do you think VS? How would you answer your own question?
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Dec 12, 2012 16:27:08 GMT -6
All in all, this is a worthwhile, albeit unorthodox, text. Given the title, I would have enjoyed some discussion on the moral question of 4th Way students, and of the ego itself. How does one reconcile those parts which make us human, non-mechanical but inherently dark (evil, one might say), with those parts that are mechanical, unconscious but selfless? Basically, if we're focusing solely on carrying out divine will, then what about individual will? Isn't that the same as doing the professor's homework only to neglect our own? Where might the two overlap? Patterson never discusses the right hand versus Left Hand Path dichotomy, but I wish he would have. You don't have to reconcile anything. .... supernova just goes pop.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 12, 2012 16:47:55 GMT -6
I've noted a trend in testimonials over the years. People come and go, they claim that the CoC is responsible for the spark of Awakening, then they disappear. Are they out there manifesting their Will or was it too hard to maintain? I guess we'll never really know.
Some people return and start a posting frenzy claiming that the forum is a source of inspiration. Maybe that's true, even if only temporarily. Then they disappear again.
The postings have been sporadic and by a handful of users.
What do you think VS? How would you answer your own question?
CS And it's a good one! Everyone struggles, everyone suffers. We all have trouble saving souls, especially our own. At the end of the day, I'm not too concerned about how many hits the website gets or subscribers or sycophantic hangers-on or re-tweets (not that I'm on twitter, but you get the idea). I'm content to do my part, my fair share, and just let the chips fall where they may. I can only do so much and, in fact, it's not my job to do more than I must. In fact, I believe it would be detrimental to the Work.
Remember, even Gurdjieff and Ouspenski believed themselves to be failures for a time.
On page 109 of Taking with the Left Hand, there's a great footnote expanded upon in the appendices... Don't worry, be happy, make efforts!
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Post by sin on Dec 13, 2012 7:41:54 GMT -6
I know you're not worried about stuff like that (popularity, webhits, sycophants, etc.). You asked the question as if it was a seed of self-doubt.
How would we gauge it ourselves? I suppose, we'd have to address our own Work and what we've accomplished in our own lives as well as address any backslides.
I don't think the CoC has ever been a proverbial babysitter of grown men.
This dichotomy seems to be of grave importance to you. Can you expand on that a bit? At this stage, how important is it really?
I understand that modeling aids in mediating understanding in language but do you think the framing can be problematic? Too rigid?
I've always been Hermetic, but that doesn't always communicate well enough to be understood.
CS
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Post by cortwilliams on Dec 13, 2012 12:38:01 GMT -6
Master Cora'Sahn wrote: "This dichotomy seems to be of grave importance to you. Can you expand on that a bit? At this stage, how important is it really? I understand that modeling aids in mediating understanding in language but do you think the framing can be problematic? Too rigid?"
Only speaking for myself obviously, but the Left-Hand path is a central part of my spiritual path as I understand it. The path of solitary self-becoming, challenging cultural and spiritual norms, of achieving a "kosmic symbiosis with the powers of the World-All while at the same time retaining a Luciferian separation which allows us to become world creators", to quote David Beth. As being an inheritor of the Adversarial Black Flame which burns away the dross of exoteric reality to reveal the alien onyx truth which lurks behind it.
Hail Satanis! Cort Williams
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Post by sin on Dec 13, 2012 20:40:42 GMT -6
Master Cora'Sahn wrote: "This dichotomy seems to be of grave importance to you. Can you expand on that a bit? At this stage, how important is it really? I understand that modeling aids in mediating understanding in language but do you think the framing can be problematic? Too rigid?" Only speaking for myself obviously, but the Left-Hand path is a central part of my spiritual path as I understand it. The path of solitary self-becoming, challenging cultural and spiritual norms, of achieving a "kosmic symbiosis with the powers of the World-All while at the same time retaining a Luciferian separation which allows us to become world creators", to quote David Beth. As being an inheritor of the Adversarial Black Flame which burns away the dross of exoteric reality to reveal the alien onyx truth which lurks behind it. Hail Satanis! Cort Williams
I was speaking of the dichotomy of RHP/LHP; duality, splitting the whole, and often times...Splitting hairs.
CS
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