Hitler: Brilliant occultist or Puppet mad man?

[coren]

Hitler was no doubt one of the wickedest men whoever lived along with Stalin, and Mao. He is still worshiped by misguided Caucasian hate groups and is the subject of countless movies and books. He was indeed a powerful man to have the ability influence people long after his death like some kind of god. But a leader is only as strong as the minds he is able to influence. But like any leader, Hitler had predecessors who guided and molded him from an aspiring artist and military man into a mass murdering fanatic, hell bent on world domination. Hitler in my mind was most likely the result of a black magic operation performed on him by some of his mentors for the sole purpose of starting the second World War. Their is evidence to suggest that he was influenced by groups ranging from Thule and Vril society to Madam Blatavsky's Theosophical society. This man was involved in everything and everyone.

When he spoke, it was said he seemed as if an otherworldly presence took possession of him. When his speech was over he was reduced back to a quiet, well mannered, old man. People its time to stop looking up to this guy as some sort of occult power. This is the only forum I post to that frequently mentions Hitler as some sort of sorcerer. He would not have had any power had it not been for the forces behind him. This man was possessed by a powerful entity unleashed on him by some of the above mentioned orders. His entire war machine was financed by the same men behind America and Britain's war machine. It was built on slave labor. These people are not to be viewed as some kind of great and honorable force in history. This was the same kind of thing I was poking fun at in my How to become the Ubermensch.

There was some powerful magic behind Nazi Germany and Hitler, I'm just stating my point of view on this part of history. This sh*t was evil in every aspect of the word people.
Please do research the occult connections behind this man. Any great leader can become the slave to those who put him in power. Does Bush come to mind anyone? ;D

[coren]

Quote from the Infamous thrash metal band Slayer:

Religion is hate! Religion is rape! Religion is war!
Religion is hate! Religion's obscene! Religion's a wh*re!

[Shaz'rahjeem]

Occult Power? I realy doubt that many or anyone on this forum worship hitler. In that thread The 11 satanic rules when the topic came up of war it drifted onto hilter other then this thread started by yourself that is the only time i have seen Hitler mentioned on this forum.

shail

[Madguten]

Occult Power? I realy doubt that many or anyone on this forum worship hitler. In that thread The 11 satanic rules when the topic came up of war it drifted onto hilter other then this thread started by yourself that is the only time i have seen Hitler mentioned on this forum.

shail

But it is a commonly mentioned theory that Hitler and Himler where interested in occultism, although all the European occult societies suffered tremendously under the rule of the Nazi parti. Basically their interest in the occult has not affected their strategy if you ask me, i think the whole thing has been blown out of proportions by conspiracy theorists who share a romantic fantasy about the Nazis. Hitler and co. were Nazis, not occultists. But i will be the first to admit that it would give Hitler and the Nazi movement a more human side. Hitler was plagued by nearly all the demons that have ever existed, that is for sure. The question remains if these demons we encounter are ours or if they belong to a bigger picture.

Just for the record, the Nazis did a lot of stuff that they did for sure.
Like the camps and the invasions. I say let them be remembered for what they did, not what they "might have done".

(just for the record)
This is in no way an attempt to snap back at any posters, i really like the subject.

[Shaz'rahjeem]

I was not sugesting hitler had nothing to do with the cults or the occult or magick, because i'm quite shore that he did. # of his generals where previous cult members or leaders. The swashstika while clamed to be created by Hitler, was seen before that in a cult, as a common sigil. There are heaps of things to sujest that hitler was ophiliated with cults.

shail

[coren]

Right we should remember their deeds and not what they were supposedly into. It is not a conspiracy theory, however, that Hitler rose to power partly because of volkish ideals present in Germany at the time. Oestaria, a series on occult and pagan religion, was circulating through Germany at the time as well. This was built around the idea that race wars were fought in the past which led to a downfall of the Nordics by Semitic betrayal. It gets into really weird areas about Nordic super men, and being like nephilim or demigods. This is true, not conspiracy. Also check out Vril,Thule Society, and Madam Blatavsky.

And no one accused anybody from this sight of having anything to do with Hitler. People that speak defensively without provocation have something to hide usually. I think this is where I will sever my ties to this site altogether. We have nothing in common besides an interest in the occult.

[Madguten]

We have nothing in common besides an interest in the occult.

That is one of the thing i like about this forum.

[I AM the Way]

all Left Hand Path traditions and variations are interconnected.

it is because the Fourth Way is connected to gnostic christianity which is connected to Devil Worship which is connected to the Golden Dawn's Enochian and is connected to Crowley's Thelema which is connected to the occultism of the Third Reich which is connected to H.P. Lovecraft which is connected to LaVey's Satanism which is connected to Aquino's Temple of Set which is connected to Chaos Magic which is connected to all things... unconscious impulses residing deep within our demonic blood. it knows and we can only hope to acknowledge the hidden truth.

learning to see the whole, what is essential, that is most important. a black magician must change himself. transformation. and then he may begin the path of honing the Will, altering consciousness to Awake and become a Godlike superman.

in time, it all falls into place. the Cult of Cthulhu revolves around what is dark and fruitful. that is our revolution...

Hail the Old Ones!


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

[Yevathik]

admin said:

all Left Hand Path traditions and variations are interconnected.

it is because the Fourth Way is connected to gnostic christianity which is connected to Devil Worship which is connected to the Golden Dawn's Enochian and is connected to Crowley's Thelema which is connected to the occultism of the Third Reich which is connected to H.P. Lovecraft which is connected to LaVey's Satanism which is connected to Aquino's Temple of Set which is connected to Chaos Magic which is connected to all things... unconscious impulses residing deep within our demonic blood. it knows and we can only hope to acknowledge the hidden truth.

learning to see the whole, what is essential, that is most important. a black magician must change himself. transformation. and then he may begin the path of honing the Will, altering consciousness to Awake and become a Godlike superman.

in time, it all falls into place. the Cult of Cthulhu revolves around what is dark and fruitful. that is our revolution...

Hail the Old Ones!


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

www.CultofCthulhu.net

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That was an EPIC post 666.

[laughingdead]

Satan will be pleased...

[Madguten]

Great post.
That is so true.
Thanks for the post.
It was a joy for me to read.

[Sept]

hope this isn't straying from the topic to much, but since it is about Hitler, figured I would throw an in epiphany I had about Hitler. Hitler is very much like the Christian god. One ruler, controlling through fear and destruction, promising his followers (who must meet very specific requirements ) a greater land if they stay loyal till death. Both screwed over the Jewish people royally in the end as well.

Just a thought. Sorry if it went to far off topic, to be a little more on topic:

Don't know about any occult things, but think he was just a very charismatic leader.

Charisma is a very powerful tool.

[Madguten]

Sorry if it went to far off topic

Not at all.

Charisma is a very powerful tool.

I agree. But a lot of things played in. It was a mosaic of events and tactics that drove Hitler into power. He certainly had the people whipped. Maybe a big factor in Hitlers rise is the willingness of the many to be whipped mind slaves, im talking about the European people, the Germans and Austrians. Once he was at power though, there was nothing to do but what they did to stop him. It is interesting that Hitler was a very troubled human being. He suffered from almost every mental illness that exists. On top of that he had a nasty drug habit. But it is true that he was charismatic.

[jameson]

I read something where supposedly Crowley described Hitler as a man possessed by demons with no personality to call his own anymore.Supposedly a vessel such as Hitler was what they needed to carry out their grim tasks.

At some point though,didn't Hitler turn on the Theosophical Society?Word has it an occultists or two fled and that one was even imprisoned within a concentration camp.I doubt the timing of everything was mere coincidence however.

I also read he was in favor of a more pagan like belief system over monotheistic systems.We all know he was in favor of proving whites were the first aryans when in fact they weren't.Personally I think he was a deluded fuck who's power made him loose a handle on reality.Strategically however,he would have won if Einstein had not been exiled and had broken the secrets of the atom earlier.

Was he an occultist?I think not but as to whether some strange experiment that the occult societies in Germany had initiated may have influenced his actions and decisions in some way beyond drugs and suggestion,its probable.

[Madguten]

At some point though,didn't Hitler turn on the Theosophical Society?Word has it an occultists or two fled and that one was even imprisoned within a concentration camp.

Everything different or controversial ended up that way.

Was he an occultist?I think not but as to whether some strange experiment that the occult societies in Germany had initiated may have influenced his actions and decisions in some way beyond drugs and suggestion,its probable.

That outside forces controlled the evil that was Hitler would certainly make the whole WW2 thing more digestible.

[I AM the Way]

That outside forces controlled the evil that was Hitler would certainly make the whole WW2 thing more digestible.

really? is man's inhumanity to man so far-fetched? i agree that WWII is an extreme example, but when whole nations are asleep, anything is impossible. i actually find it more unlikely when positive things happen in the world.

having said all that, there may have been sinister forces influencing Adolph Hitler and the Third Reich. that's probably why modern occult groups are so interested in it.


VS

[Madguten]

really? is man's inhumanity to man so far-fetched?

Not at all. It would just be interesting if evil forces from outside had infiltrated the governments to control and slay.

I think it is fair to say that Hitler was cursed in many ways, outside forces or not. Its amazing that he did not kill himself before he did, if you ask me.

[I AM the Way]

Not at all. It would just be interesting if evil forces from outside had infiltrated the governments to control and slay.

I think it is fair to say that Hitler was cursed in many ways, outside forces or not. Its amazing that he did not kill himself before he did, if you ask me.

yes, interesting and even plausible. Hitler had more raw determination in his little mustache than most people have in their entire body. that's why he rose to prominence. sorcery needs determination just as much as the mundane mechanics of the "real world".


VS

[huscarle]

Hitler was an opportunist. He used various early occult societies to get a grasp on power and then outlawed them and sent many into the concentration camps. At the essense of most occult orders is an enlightment or freedom of the mind or furtherment of the individual and hence have an element of revolutionary thought about them. All of these ideas are utterly opposed to totalitarian government and to secure his power he had to get rid of them. I don't believe his interest in the occult was any more than superficial as a launch pad to gaining power. His fraternising with these societies was more to meet with influential people in the same way that one would join the Masons or similar organisations nowadays. Hitler was sadly all too human. Towards the end he was messed up on various amphetamines which he was almost incapable of functioning without this had brought about his Parkinson's, rages, paranoia and delusionary ideas. If anything the story of Hitler is a warning about the long term affects of amphetamine abuse.

As far as Hitler wanting to bring about a return to a Pantheist pagan faith against christianity this is one of the lies the church will tell you. The church was more than happy to deal with Hitler and a great many of them supported him, certainly the Vatican supported Nazism and Mussolini's fascism until they saw the tide was turning. Hitler himself said that "After the teachings of christ I see no reason for Germany to have to go back to the old religion" or something along those lines (I paraphrase and don't have the exact quote on me at the moment). Most of the top Nazis were staunch christians so do not believe all the bullshit the church will give you about them being pagan or using Dark Forces of the Occult, these are just things the church will say to draw attention away from their own guilt. For all intents and purposes as far as most Nazis were concerned they were on a Holy Crusade sanctioned by god. Most of their racial ideas came from christian origins and certainly hatred of the jew as the christ killer did.

However if we look to Himmler and his circle of friends we have an entirely different kettle of fish. He was interested in the occult and applying it's principles to the SS and within that context quasi-occult rituals did take place. Himmler has being described variously as a New Ager before his time or a pagan. He built up a strong relationship with a chap called Karl Maria Wiligut (1866-1946) and he was eventually given the position of an SS officer by Himmler (the SS was not purely a military order). Wiligut has been described as Himmler's Rasputin. Again there was much quasi-christian ideals at the focus of Wiligut's ideology, he was fascinated by the Holy Grail legends, but there was a paradox as he mixed up old Germanic myths with those of the christian background, essentiallt trying to take the judaic origins of christianity back to the Germanics. He created a new mythology about the German people, in the same vein as the type of stuff Madam Blavatsky had been doing before. Basically he claimed that the very early Germans worshipped a Geramnic god called Krist and it was from these roots rather that the Judaic origins that christianity would arise. Most of the rituals of the SS had their creation from this man.

Don't believe all that Dennis Wheatley crap about using Satan.

[luxcthonis]

Hmmm, perhaps my post on the TOS thread would have been better put here? Oh well...Oh Hel...
-M.

[huscarle]

Along a similar line of interest to some people is the practise among some Satanic groups to use the Hitler archetype in anti YHVH rituals. In these rites the spirit of Hitler is essentially invoked for his anti YHVH aspects. He can be used as a very powerful entity in this capacity. He is, after all, credited by the general public as being the force who tried to bring about the destruction of YHVH's chosen people and his image in the public conscience has granted him much energy in this capacity.

Gavin Baddeley briefly talks to a member of a group using these kind of rituals in his book Lucifer Rising. Can't remeber the name of them though and have lent the book out years ago and not had it back.

[nyarlathotep2008]

Personally, I think it was both. Hitler was a brilliant Occultist but he was also a Puppet-Leader. The guy turned on the Jews because he had several baby-sitters growing up that was Jewish and they treated him like garbage. To back up this claim, do a detailed study on the Thule Society which was started by powerful German Aristocrats (people that owned companies or other large businesses and are extremely wealthy) which worked with extreme LHP concepts such as ritual human/animal sacrifice. Also check out the biography of Adolf Hitler. In spite of the fact that Hitler was never discovered as member of the Thule Society, they did claim that they came from the lost continent of Thule which founded Sumer and was directly descended from the Aryan race. It would not suprise me in the least if the Thule Society used De Vermis Mysteriis and the Book of Dagon given the fascination that the Nazis had with Atlantis and the vast amount of blood-shed that transpired in WWI and WWII because of them. Next, you are going to ask me if I think that the movie "Hell-boy" is real or not? The answer is that I think that it was accurate concerning the activities of the Thule Society but I doubt that it had anything to do with Rasputin or a walking corpse. Let alone a six-foot tall blood-red demon who switched sides.

[Timotheus Prophet of Darkness]

Aug 23, 2007 15:49:03 GMT -6 I AM the Way said:

Not at all. It would just be interesting if evil forces from outside had infiltrated the governments to control and slay.

I think it is fair to say that Hitler was cursed in many ways, outside forces or not. Its amazing that he did not kill himself before he did, if you ask me.

yes, interesting and even plausible. Hitler had more raw determination in his little mustache than most people have in their entire body. that's why he rose to prominence. sorcery needs determination just as much as the mundane mechanics of the "real world".


VS

Hmm in that case i'll just grow me a little mustache ;D

[Timotheus Prophet of Darkness]

Sept 16, 2007 12:53:21 GMT -6 huscarle said:

Along a similar line of interest to some people is the practise among some Satanic groups to use the Hitler archetype in anti YHVH rituals. In these rites the spirit of Hitler is essentially invoked for his anti YHVH aspects. He can be used as a very powerful entity in this capacity. He is, after all, credited by the general public as being the force who tried to bring about the destruction of YHVH's chosen people and his image in the public conscience has granted him much energy in this capacity.

Gavin Baddeley briefly talks to a member of a group using these kind of rituals in his book Lucifer Rising. Can't remeber the name of them though and have lent the book out years ago and not had it back.

hmm and how would one go about aclling up the spirit fo Hitler?Just wondering is all.

[nyarlathotep2008]

There's a pdf floating around the internet called "Guide To Necromancy" or "Necromancy Spells" that tells a person how to conjure a dead soul. You would have to study that ritual for conjuring the dead and re-write it to where you work, otherwise you would have to go all the way to Germany and visit Hitler's Grave-site.

[sin]

Hitler's involvement in occultism is speculative, based on the symbolism. It has not been substantiated. There are over a hundred books on the topic of Nazi Occultism but none substantiate the claim, none prove hard evidence of what they practiced and what they believed this occult power would provide. Its also attributed to Hitler's interest in archaeological digs. They assume to dig up Occult-related relics. The History Channel loves to feature 'Occultism in Nazi Germany'; as it gets the most ratings but its crypto-history.

Hitler's success in 'group mind' mentality, was due to his methods. Uniforms, Symbols, "JOIN US OR DIE"; and exterminating anyone who went against the grain, or didn't fit his image of the perfect regime.

A lot of Satanists enjoy the Nazi aesthetic as a fetish or whatever. I don't find it particularly appealing.

[hiqconsoul]

edit edit edit: scroll down for the 'revised' post.. thought I'd let this hang if the mods ok it...

Don't take this personally... (this was written after the stuff below so a bit of cooling off has taken place.... Im gonna go wizz and grab a bite and I'll be back to fix this shitty post)


Wow... I actually managed to read through this entire thread without posting and getting really really REALLY fucking pissed at people....


Now that I'm posting, I'm so pissed that my blood is boiling.....



fucking christ almighty the abundant ignorance and narrowmindedness.......


Rise to power at ANY and ALL costs necessary...
(welcome to satanism/occultism)

fucking morons........

note: this post is up for edit as it's entirely unconstructive (except for pointing out ignorance and narrowmindedness I guess) and it's primarily based on uncontrolled emotion and well.. ignorance....

jesus fucking christ.....


edit: Alright, I'm back.. get ready to get WTFOWNED!

edit again... o for fuck's sake I hate this kinda stuff (actually I must admit I do like it a bit I'm learning a lot of shit lol) .. got like 2-3 pages worth of stuff to say already, and only almost done with page 1

[Madguten]

hey, relax

We must be able to discus these things here without worrying about offending. We are TAKING about nazis, we arent BEING nazis. These tabu subjects must be allowed explored and discussed.

Personally, i agree with the notion that Hitler was a shell driven and ridden hard by his own demons. I do not particularly like when he shelved with occultism because from what i understand Hitler thought nothing of it. If anything it was Himler who was perhaps fascinated by occultism.

Occultism is not a menacing force in itself.

Occult means secret or hidden. It is not directly seen. One must find it. That is why we are seekers, that is why i call us wanderers.


Anywhoo, to get back on subject.

If you singled out a quote or something and challenged that we could discuss the subject better.

[hiqconsoul]

I'm on it I'm on it I'm on it ;D

ps. don't go nazi ss gestapo on my ass for showing some emotion ;P

that was a joke... (truth nicely wrapped up perhaps) xP


edit: got to thinking about the film equilibrium where all emotions are outlawed and punished by death / removal from society (can't remember exactly how they dealt with it) and realized this

you're not raising a finger cuz of the emotion, but due to my lacking abilities to deal with the emotions / control them.. which is totally fair. unchecked emotions usually lead to actions that more often than not involve physical harm or the likes.. and as so, u're right, and I'm wrong. my bad entirely

and I guess an apology would be in place.. so.. I'm sorry for swinging the gestapo bat ;b

(equilibrium - called cubic some in denmark.. and probs other places too - ended with the dictator being busted for having horded all the books and stuff with emotion for himself to enjoy)

edit edit : grr there's a 'trick' or watever of discussion/debate that goes on the fact that the first person to call the other a nazi usually ends up losing the debate.. but can't remember wtf it's called

[Madguten]

;D ;D ;D