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Post by hiqconsoul on May 22, 2008 17:42:19 GMT -6
ps at the top here: if anyone ever makes a post as long as this one Imma kick your ass ;D kidding ofc. Ok here's what I got so far... (getting tired and may have to cut it early but wanna get some of the stuff up before I sleep..) First off, a direct reply to the thread topic..
Q: Hitler - Brilliant Occultist or Puppet Madman
(note, I'm guessing puppet madman and not puppetmad man was wat you ment upon posting this coren)
A: Well, seeing as he got wtfowned, he probably wasnt brilliant (enough)-------------------------------- reply to coren:Very very very very nice post (original one). About the religion post tho, well what would one expect from a band called Slayer? *LoL* - To rectify the ignorance of what I just wrote.. Religion as we've come to know it is indeed what they say/sing/growl (haven't heard the song so dunno how they vocalize it :b) - however, the parts of religion that is generally hidden from us, I'm guessing (with strong conviction) is the exact opposite. To avoid twisting from outside sources, I'll clarify: "Religion is love! Religion is consensual sex! Religion is peace! Religion is love! Religion is beautiful! Religion is integrity!" as opposed to "Religion is hate! Religion is rape! Religion is war! Religion is hate! Religion is obscene! Religion is a wh*re!" Finally, "Does Bush come into mind?" Hehe, well, check my avatar pic and I think the answer is pretty obvious ;D -------------------------------- Reply to Shaz'rahjeem:If we go on the idea that nothing happens by coinsidense, the 11 satanic rules discussion was bound to end up involving hitler. To continue on that thougt, even tho there are (were? old thread I see..) only 2 threads, including this one, there is bound to be more up ahead.. --------------------------------- Reply to Madguten:Not sure how to approach this one, but anyways... Romantic fantasy and paranoid delusions, are two terms which are more and more often confused with eachother. What I mean is, that there is absolutely nothing romantic about connecting hitler with with occultism. It's simply making an already extremely bad scenario even worse... Perhaps if one supports this or is a necrophiliac or something, it would be romantic. But, I'm none of the above soI don't see it that way... Now, you say that it would give things a more human side... Well, like it or not, the scumbag was a human (well most likely he was.. ;D *joke*). Further more you say that hitler and co. were nazis and not occultists... well being a nazi is the same as being an occultist (concluded by nazi involvement with occultism).. And yes, I'm starting to get the impression/get convinced, that it works the other way around too (SORRY!!...), if you devote yourself to the teachings of occultism, not if you merely study it to find out about what it is. And finally, if you wanna remember them for what they were and not for any assumptions about them, you gotta check and verify the assumptions to be false, and know all of what they did. Which brings me to the point that you fail to recognize that coren points out it's not merely conspiracy theory.. AHEM! Also, if you only know the broad official version/story of what ended WWII you leave a lot to be desired, in other words you got no clue as to why hitler really lost. - Broad official story here being that he went into russia and lost too many troops to win the war. - Finally there was never found any remains of hitler's corpse so who knows what really happened to him? ----------------------------------- Reply to Vengy:Erm... err... Oh right, what did your first post have to do with this thread's topic - now I'm not being a smart ass, on the contraire I fail to see it and wanna find out so I can comment if there's anything to comment .. and since you don't really get much into the topic in the other posts I'll leave you alone on this one  ------------------------------------ Reply to laughingdead:What? Is he a personal friend of yours? How would/do you know what pleases satan, lord of darkness and evil and... stuff (lol stuff..).. And what the hell do you mean with that? ------------------------------------- Reply to Sept:You're leaving out the fact that the jews were part of it in both mentioned cases.. They were the ones demanding Jesus be crusified and they were the ones standing in a huge crowd yelling "No, crucify him! Crucify him!" When that Pontius Pilatus (that's his name in danish bible, Pilate in english? can't remember.. gotta get an english bible and a king james version too gah..) was doing a semi-trial of Jesus, and not the romans or anyone else (well might've been a few non-jews among the crowd but the story says it was mostly jews). And during WWII (well before wwii to be exact lol) it was also the top jews that sold their lower class kinship to hitler and co. for experiments with biological warfare in the concentration camps(!). That's why the kz-camp jews had those number tattoos on their arms, so the nazis could easily find out what jews to take (if you care, it was IBM, yes that IBM, that provided the computers to process the numbers, actually IBM made the numbers and gave them to the nazis along with the computational devices to process them). And well yes, he was charismatic but dunno what I should comment that with.. That's just a quality a leader needs.. (<-- guess that's my comment then lol..) --------------------------------- Reply to jameson:One of the first times I agree with ou on a larger scale ;D - However I am of the oppinion that hitler was an occultist. Can't think of anything connecting him directly to it tho (will have to look into that I guess..). - indirectly there's loads of stuff ofc., such as Himmler, the schwarstika being ancient religious symbol and so on.. ---------------------------------- Huscarle is next but it's almost 2 am and I gotta get some sleep now, any posting here on out will most likely result in me going in circles and just rambling mostly nonsense.. so.. until next time ;b |
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Post by Madguten on May 23, 2008 8:34:18 GMT -6
I guess that i should have loaded this post and the other i have made with a whole lot of IMO's because im not trying to dictate peoples thoughts. Just incase anyone is in doubt about what IMO is short for its, In My Opinion (not In My Oven or Ignite My Onions[/i] ;D
So you are saying that the conspiracy theorists that are linking the Nazi movement to occultism do NOT have a romantic fantasy view of what the nazis were about? Because that is what i am saying. And that is what i think is the truth. They WANT Hitler to be an occultist, because they are sick.
Yes, i believe that if we could prove that Hitlers (and the likes of him) act were guided by an outside entity then humanity would not look like so horribly hellish a race.
Thats so much BS that i can hardly answer it without spewing venom. Nazism sprung from an idea that sprung from a dream that sprung from occultism, look up Guido Von List. When Hitler (who hated and despised occultism and thought that Himmlers attention to it was idiotic) came to rise, the nazi parti was nothing of occultism. Nazism is about National Socialism and international antisocialism. They even banned occultism and killed many of us who practiced it. Hitler was not an occultist, anyone who says so is either ignorant or dead on lying (IMO). They say these things because they have a fantasy of hitler as some sort of occult genius. Himmler WAS interested in occultism yes, but hitler wasnt. And in any case, it has not affected their politics.
I have studied on this subject since i was six. I am of the believe that the Nazi/Occultism link is HIGHLY overrated. It IS a conspiracy theory, look up the definitions of the words. Romantic, occult and conspiracy theory. I think that you have fogged views on the meaning of the words.
Havent you seen, Der Undergang? It is quite accurate to the historical story. Hitler commited suicide, he took cyanide and shot himself in the head.
On 30 April 1945, after intense street-to-street combat, when Soviet troops were within a block or two of the Reich Chancellory, Hitler committed suicide, shooting himself while simultaneously biting into a cyanide capsule.[78][79] Hitler's body and that of Eva Braun (his mistress whom he had married the day before) were put in a bomb crater,[80][81] doused in gasoline by Otto Günsche and other Führerbunker aides, and set alight as the Red Army advanced and shelling continued.[78] Hitler also poisoned his dog Blondi to test the poison he and Eva Braun were going to take.
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Post by Madguten on May 23, 2008 8:53:04 GMT -6
I hope i dont sound offended in the above post. im not ;D  Occultism and Nazism can easily be confused if one does not look close (and it always is) for instance, The below sigil has very little to do with removing peoples freedom and gassing people in death camps because they are in the way of ones plot. This is spiritual revolution! Hitler would coward up and die (as he already did once before). ;D  Release the beast, snap the chain, wake the dreamer! Here on earth, ragnarok! Thus is the eternal breath, thus is the foot of Kali on the chest of the god. Thus is Cthulhu. (in my eyes) ;D IA! IA!
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Post by Madguten on May 23, 2008 9:04:21 GMT -6
btw equilibrium rocks ;D It was inspired by an older movie called Fahrenheit 451 (the temperature where paper/books burn). My bro showed it to me when i was a little kid. Its basically the same movie, just without all the hollywood glamour ;D That was also the inspiration for the Fahrenheit 9/11 title (i think) www.destgulch.com/movies/f451/Anywhoo...Occultism has generally been about the opposite of what the nazis where trying to achieve, they want world domination, we want inner freedom. Freedom of mind and soul. But Occultism isnt about ANY one things, occultism is just a tool or an art that can be used for many different purposes. Like a brush, or a knife or something like that. It is one of the oldest tools on earth, it came long before the hammer or the comb. (the way i see it) Last last last edit, i promise. About occult arts.... On this subject they even called Jesus "the devil". They said that he expelled demons from people through powers given to him by the devil, because that is what the masses see when they behold the occult, they see what they wish to see, because the occult it is hidden and they have not the heart to search. THAT is why satanism is misunderstood, hated and feared and that is why occultism is confused together with it. But even satanism is not what the masses behold of it. Its easy to say, Bush worships Satan and thats why the world is fucked up. But in truth, Bush has said that it was Jesus who told him to go to war, and in truth, the world situation is affected by many other factors. We must not be blind. There is a reason that ying and yang are spinning/twirling. If they did not, their forces would crush instead of revolve. If we cut one of them away, we are poorer. Both hold wonder and terror, and equal amounts even. That is what i see edit: i have just noticed that every time i space out really deep into a thoughtform then i begin to write one line at a time, with a lines seperation lol, its a waste of space ;D undskyld min rodede og lange post her ;D
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 23, 2008 17:59:56 GMT -6
done with construction.. I think..  ugh, gonna fix some upper case lower case issues to ease the read...  I know, it's manipulated, but still......... Hitler alone wasn't Nazism.. Hitler + Himmler + all the others = Nazism, thus Nazism = Occultism.... And I'd say that Hitler, upon assumption of you being right about him not having Occult conviction himself, was merely a puppet.However, I doubt he would've been able to be puppeteer if he hadn't had some qualities of evil tho.. Hate for jews perhaps if that is true.... (How they did it then, would be take Hitler's hate for the jews, and realize that again they could use the jews as their personal 'toys' to experiment wack shit on... nvm... they could actually have made Hitler's life a hell from the start making him blame jews so they'd have a perfect puppet (yea perfect is a big word he did fuck up.. but that's the typical story with these nwo retards..) depends on how good they are at what they do, considering they've been practicing since the pyramids, when giving them as much credit as possible.. so.. but anyways watever lol) Wow and perhaps ouch, I stand totally corrected more or less then  .. But still lol.. - Here I'd have to say you're playing along with the brainwashing that's been done on the word conspiracy theory... it's been played over and over so many times and used to rediculous lengths. this has had the effect that just thinking the words 'conspiracy theory' makes you dismiss it without accepting it as a possible reality. -as it happens to be I stumbled over the definition of 'conspiracy theory' today and will quote here..: (o ffs I cleaned up so now I gotta look for it...) (found it!) "A theory that explains an event as being the result of a plot by a covert group or organization" The definitions of occult and romantic I don't see the point in arguing over, point it out if you see some points tho. edit: the definition of occult I try to deal with further down in this post..Actually no I haven't seen it :S Thought it was some sorta 'pro Hitler' (pro as in FOR not PROFESSIONAL) I'll look for it tho, mental place dude told me about it, actually, and now I guess I gotta see it lol.. The part about Hitler suiciding I still say is a possible bullshit story but ofc I can be wrong (and it seems probable I am)... Why - Cuz as far as I know you can't burn a body beyond identification... This is probs bullshit tho cuz a crematory will, as far as I know, turn every part of you to dust.. However no way they got to the same temperature as a crematory (Ill gladly be proven wrong on this tho) This is fucking good lol... I had some sick ass thoughts earlier that lead to, when paralelled, the same conclusion... v nicely put MG  edit: also there's a math formula thingiemahimstagims that kicks off a pattern that changes to 100% different patterns each time, and ends up at it's beginning... very trippy....*chills* .. think we're getting close lol... dunno to wat but to something very imba lol (imba = imbalanced, not as much as imbalanced as in being out of balance but more as a twist on something being awesomely good or cool)Yea yea this is where I go and say that the jesuses are satan calling himself jesus ;b (deception being primary tool of evil) edit: (yea yea not belittling you lol, just a sigh at the typical situation, nothing more, took very little thought to answer and as such was trivial to write, hence, yea yea... ;D)By that rouse, the occult would actually need to be the 'good' ... Cuz evil replaces all the good things with evil disguised as good.. effectively, *hiding* the good.... However some things of evil nature may still be hidden, so not all hidden things are good.. - hey it's the spinning yingyang! ;D *gulp* actually.. it's the fight between good and evil... Good starts out, then evil disguises itself as good and takes over.. Then good breaks out and takes over, then evil disguises, then good breaks out.. etc etc etc..... Like sun up and sun down... Horus vs Set.. I dunno... seems like there's gotta be more to it... but then again maybe not.. guess I repeat, I dunno.. lol.. hey i lige måde ;p - men vi er næsten ved at være ovre det med at dømme hinanden pga af fejl og mangler, især da vi ved vi begge er klar over det og vælger at forsøge at gøre noget ved det - o and btw, the way you write when thinking and stuff, with lines between... I'd say go with the gut feeling/instinct, or watever.. it shows partially that it's different that the rest of what you write, and well at times it does help a good bit and is easier to read... but yes sometimes I wanna smack you for it xP (kidding ofc I'd never fucking smack you, unless you smacked me first.. then its war mofo! (kidding again a little.. not overreacting with war rofl.. ok this is turning into a rant and becoming v lame.. PEAAAACE lol) |
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Post by Madguten on May 23, 2008 18:17:49 GMT -6
but my point is though, that the symbol is way older than Nazism.
It is one of the first basic shapes for carving a revolving shape.
Just like the CoS didnt invent Baphomets Sigil (the goat star) that symbol is also older than the organisation who now claim to represent it.
It is true that today, (in our post-christian spiritually-racist world) the symbol can be used like the pentagram or the normal cross, to represent positive and negative when inverted.
But as i said, i find this spiritually racist, when used as an ultimate because originally this was not the way.
It does not matter which way it turns, its the same symbol.
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 23, 2008 18:24:39 GMT -6
aye, the side of what I call true evil steals with arms and legs, just take the word 'freemasonry' like.. how the hell does a word with freedom revolve around evil!?
- it does so by aquiring freedom at all costs, including using other people and destroying them and shit.. - but I doubt that's the way it STARTED...
so onto the wording 'started' ..
if occultism started as a good thing (which it kinda seems it did) it would be ninja'd (ninjaing = stealing, comes from rpgs where you sneak up and 'ninja' an item you weren't supposed to get due to joined efforts)
edit: this post needs to be followed up by the post before it (not MG's, my own that's before this one - it holds improved views on occultism..)
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Post by Madguten on May 24, 2008 2:20:09 GMT -6
(this is just something that i have been thinking about while sleeping tonight, so i havent got enough time to answer all the new (and proper) arguments). What i was thinking was, I should try to check out the wiki article about the swastica to see if i have been shooting my mouth off (in regards to what the historical meaning of the swastica is. I speak from the blood and soul on these things. I believe that i hold blood that is so old that it can remember the start. Perhaps we all do. The Beast of Old story i wrote touches on that (its on my uber profile). But anywhoooo.. (aside from my insanity) The wiki article raises a good question that i have always argued for myself. How does one know if the swastika is spinning Right (the direction of the pointers) or if it is spinning Left (bending the ends to the Right as it does)   Here is the article for anyone interested. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwasticaThe word swastika and the symbol itself it believed to have first been used in the Indian (sanskrit) area of the world. So you see the nazis raped the symbol for a brief period of time, but now we have reclaimed it, (the way i see it) ;D
I shall try to make a response to your posts tonight so you dont have to wait too long on an answer
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Post by nyarlathotep2009 on May 24, 2008 10:58:38 GMT -6
Wow! This post has really gotten better and improved since the last time I was on here. (For those who don't know, my old user accounts are nyarlathotep2007 and nyarlathotep2008. I needed to take some time to look into the Order of the Nine Angles and how it ties in with the Cthulhu Cult).
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 24, 2008 20:36:44 GMT -6
another huge post, killed the pictures to save space.... (this is just something that i have been thinking about while sleeping tonight, so i havent got enough time to answer all the new (and proper) arguments).What i was thinking was, I should try to check out the wiki article about the swastica to see if i have been shooting my mouth off (in regards to what the historical meaning of the swastica is. I speak from the blood and soul on these things. I believe that i hold blood that is so old that it can remember the start. Perhaps we all do. The Beast of Old story i wrote touches on that (its on my uber profile). But anywhoooo.. (aside from my insanity) The wiki article raises a good question that i have always argued for myself. How does one know if the swastika is spinning Right (the direction of the pointers) or if it is spinning Left (bending the ends to the Right as it does) Here is the article for anyone interested. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SwasticaThe word swastika and the symbol itself it believed to have first been used in the Indian (sanskrit) area of the world. So you see the nazis raped the symbol for a brief period of time, but now we have reclaimed it, (the way i see it) ;D
I shall try to make a response to your posts tonight so you dont have to wait too long on an answer dude I think you messed up the arrows .... seems more to me like the left swarstica's arrows belong to the right swarstica.. and vice versa... - this is as much a question as a statement... oh no nvm it's becuz it's in the process of spinning and the top part with the arrows is where it is now.. if you reversed the arrows you'd be able to see it's future ... *starts to look for parallels in other things... finds nothing.. too tired* Say what? or .. Did I just answer that lol? (With my arrow problem lol) Geh, perhaps, I'd say we're still in the process of reclaiming it.. But that's irre... I dunno .. Wanna discuss it? ;D *lol* Seems a bit irrelevant and sidetracky, but who knows we might stumble upon something.. Seems we always do when we have a go at it ;D (I wonder what people on the forum are starting to think about us lol... actually, I think I'd rather not know, just yet at least ;D *LOOOL*) Huh wat posts? - Oh you mean the ... erm.. the ones with the pictures right? (I went here as the last post, seems you started out here lol) oh screw it I'm too tired lol... Can't hold onto any thoughts they're all escaping... *Wishes they'd escape when they were making me paranoid instead... /frown at the thoughts... Stupid thoughts! ... uhm... Don't look at me like that... lol... Ok now Im talking to myself in an unfinished post on a forum, at 4:39 am... bed, me, now.. GNITE everyone ;D) |
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Post by Sethen on Dec 8, 2008 18:22:43 GMT -6
If anyone here is curious why Hitler decided to pick on "Gods Chosen People" read "The Protocols of the Wise men of Zion", for a reality check...
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Post by thorgrim on Jul 30, 2009 10:52:19 GMT -6
While very little can be proven about Hitlers personal involvement with the occult, save his connections to people in that community circa 1930's Austria/Germany. Himmler on the on the other hand, had Karl Marie Wiligut (the priemeire rune magician of his time) working on a National socialists reconstruction of the aboriginal spiritual tradition of Germany, among many other occult practices ie. the gravesite conceptions at Wewelsburg castle. There are loose occult ends everywhere. Bottom line, whether he did or did not practice magic, he puts all of us to shame in the science and art of causing change to occur in conformity with will.
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Post by sin on Aug 1, 2009 19:33:36 GMT -6
Honestly, I just don't view Hitler as an occultist. He ruled by fear, and that fear was rought by open demonstrations that affected the human psyche. It wasn't the 'hidden' that provoked fear. I don't believe for a second that he acted out of some 'black magic' spell put over him. Many people change personas. There is their public identity, which is fueled by the public, and his private identity. The multiple I's at work.
Conspiracy theories and a focus on the man is what gives his 'legend' momentum. People want to understand where man's ideals come from. When men do horrific things, they blame dark forces, possession and the devil.
I think a lot of his tactics were brilliant, but there's no question that what he did with all that power was horrific.
Millions of people exterminated, and for what? What did it do? What were the benefits? In the end, he took a bullet in the head in a ditch. Big friggin' accomplishment.
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Post by sin on Aug 2, 2009 7:18:27 GMT -6
Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf, "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." He never left the church, and the church never left him.
Still, this doesn't prove he wasn't an occultist - it just proves that he maintained his religion throughout his life.
Religion does have power and control over people. I believe he recognized the psychological triggers and used them to gain powerful control over the masses using fear to force it.
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Post by 10kdays on Sept 8, 2009 1:00:24 GMT -6
Honestly, I just don't view Hitler as an occultist. He ruled by fear, and that fear was rought by open demonstrations that affected the human psyche. It wasn't the 'hidden' that provoked fear. I don't believe for a second that he acted out of some 'black magic' spell put over him. Many people change personas. There is their public identity, which is fueled by the public, and his private identity. The multiple I's at work. Conspiracy theories and a focus on the man is what gives his 'legend' momentum. People want to understand where man's ideals come from. When men do horrific things, they blame dark forces, possession and the devil. I think a lot of his tactics were brilliant, but there's no question that what he did with all that power was horrific. Millions of people exterminated, and for what? What did it do? What were the benefits? In the end, he took a bullet in the head in a ditch. Big friggin' accomplishment. ok, but hitler killed himself in a bunker, not a ditch. just letting you know, in my own trademark assholish way. |
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Post by sin on Sept 8, 2009 6:43:34 GMT -6
yes, yes I was being sarcastic. Though, the Reich Bunker death has been disputed and many stories have been invented since the announcement of his death in 1945. I remember seeing a photo of American soldiers inspecting the couch where he and Eva were found in the Bunker, blood stains shown in the photos. I found the newspaper announcing his death:  |
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Post by liane on Sept 28, 2009 4:08:28 GMT -6
If anyone here is curious why Hitler decided to pick on "Gods Chosen People" read "The Protocols of the Wise men of Zion", for a reality check... yeah but the protocols of the wise men of zion was a fake. fictional texts written by the russian secret police in the early 20th century to convince the zar nikolaus II. of a world conspiracy against the monarchy. BUT these protocols are describing very well the methods of social engineering, the manipulation and control of the masses. so the content is true but not the blamed. replace the term "jews" in the protocols with "buddhists" and you have a new scapegoat^^ and thats why the protocols can be wonderful used as a tool. |
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 28, 2009 10:40:54 GMT -6
Liane is right.
The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion was knowingly used as a ploy to disenfranchise jews. similar tactic as the nazis burning the Reichstag... it wasn't the communists at all, but it got the people angry and ready for blood. that's all Hitler and the nazi high-command needed.
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