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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 24, 2011 23:44:37 GMT -6
Never fear... I is here. In accordance with the protocols established for this forum, I am making my introductions. <=== That guy there is Jason Sorrell. You will like him. You will tell a friend. I have done some stuff, wrote a few things, made a couple of videos... and I am here just to tell you all about it. You will see my posts, and will hopefully feel compelled to do the clicky-dance all over the links I provide allowing you to get the FULL JASON SORRELL EFFECT! I make no promises about what that may be; if it will provide hair-growth, cure erectile dysfunction, eliminate vaginal odor and discharge, reveal the secret to ULTIMATE COSMIC POWER, or just give you another way to waste a few more precious moments of your life. IT MIGHT, but I make no claims one way or another about that. For best results, visit www.creativeodditiesstudios.com and spread liberal amounts of cash all over the rocket-propelled PayPal shopping carts. THE LIFE YOU SAVE MAY BE YOUR OWN! And, remember kids, when "putting your best tentacle forward", always wear a jimmy-hat. I have seen some of your profile pictures, and the last thing you want is to dip your tentacle in this pool without protection.
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Post by boksmutant on Feb 25, 2011 0:46:53 GMT -6
Ego, you brastard!
Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Feb 25, 2011 3:23:04 GMT -6
LOL. I guess the COC/self- promotion hasn't been too well received over at SIN. Time for some payback?
This should be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 4:11:52 GMT -6
I bet nostalgia is bringing you back on this forum, or the need to communicate on a high level, as satanic forums are usually not exactly on "high level"...
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts !
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 9:17:18 GMT -6
I bet nostalgia is bringing you back on this forum, or the need to communicate on a high level, as satanic forums are usually not exactly on "high level"...
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts !
Y. You would loose money on that bet, and that is the primary reason I am here... your money. I actually consider it a step down to engage with most the folks in this forum. There is no challenge here like you find amongst the Satanist Forums. I have no problem telling you, Yrreiht, that you are one of the weakest links here, and it is only your enthusiasm and willingness to kiss ass that keeps you afloat. I have nothing to lose, so I can tell it to you straight. No one else here has the balls to say it. Sorry, guy, I know you are trying hard. Keep trying. Maybe one day you'll get it. My other motivation is just to keep those of you interested in what I am doing abreast (get it, a breast?) of my productivity. Even though many of you will voice your lack of interest or even contempt for my presence, I will just keep telling myself that if even one of you wants to hear my message, then my effort is worthwhile. That seems to be excuse enough for others.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 9:23:57 GMT -6
LOL. I guess the COC/self- promotion hasn't been too well received over at SIN. Time for some payback? This should be interesting. WHAT?! You me that someone here is promoting themselves and their message in a venue where the other participants tend to have nothing but contempt for that person and/or message? How could someone from this prestigious gathering lack the awareness to do that? You have got to be kidding! Seriously, not looking for payback or any kind of justice, but I am interested in being paid. I have a number of products of different kinds that the participants of this forum have expressed an interest in. I am just a humble trader, a profiteer, seeking to earn a reward... whatever form that may take. Would my message be better received if I announced my ascendence to Ipsissimus?
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 9:24:49 GMT -6
LOL. I guess the COC/self- promotion hasn't been too well received over at SIN. Time for some payback? This should be interesting. By the way, it is kind of sad that for something to be "interesting" here, a certain amount of drama has to be involved. Speaks volumes.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 9:26:24 GMT -6
Just Jason, please... and I know who my father is.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 10:21:25 GMT -6
I bet nostalgia is bringing you back on this forum, or the need to communicate on a high level, as satanic forums are usually not exactly on "high level"...
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts !
Y. You would loose money on that bet, and that is the primary reason I am here... your money. I actually consider it a step down to engage with most the folks in this forum. There is no challenge here like you find amongst the Satanist Forums. I have no problem telling you, Yrreiht, that you are one of the weakest links here, and it is only your enthusiasm and willingness to kiss ass that keeps you afloat. I have nothing to lose, so I can tell it to you straight. No one else here has the balls to say it. Sorry, guy, I know you are trying hard. Keep trying. Maybe one day you'll get it. My other motivation is just to keep those of you interested in what I am doing abreast (get it, a breast?) of my productivity. Even though many of you will voice your lack of interest or even contempt for my presence, I will just keep telling myself that if even one of you wants to hear my message, then my effort is worthwhile. That seems to be excuse enough for others.
No I'm not kissing ass, I'm grateful for all what I learn and get so I want to give back something. I should not ? What do you mean by "weakest link" ? Is it a contest here ? Don't be sorry, ha ha, instead give me an example of good satanic forum.
You told me what you think, and that's good, so I'll do the same : Your regression is impressive, Jason... you changed a lot, and not for the best. Do you think you're more wise than before ? Can't you observe yourself one minute ?
Oh, BTW, you will NOT get my money ;D
Awake.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 11:05:00 GMT -6
No I'm not kissing ass, I'm grateful for all what I learn and get so I want to give back something. I should not ? What do you mean by "weakest link" ? Is it a contest here ? Don't be sorry, ha ha, instead give me an example of good satanic forum.
You told me what you think, and that's good, so I'll do the same : Your regression is impressive, Jason... you changed a lot, and not for the best. Do you think you're more wise than before ? Can't you observe yourself one minute ?
Oh, BTW, you will NOT get my money ;D
Awake. I am glad you took my observations in the manner that was intended. This is not a contest. I shudder at the consequences if the people here had to compete for anything. The exit rates would be like rats leaving a sinking ship. I would be happy to provide an example. What do you define as "good"? What you consider as "regression" simply re-enforces my original point. I understand how my example to you would seem to be a form of "regression". The term is relative. I know that I have more wisdom than before. I achieve more and learn more each and every day. I recognize that the application of my wisdom is not something you are suited to understand. Keep making efforts. Your time will come. I am observing myself now. I observe myself often, and remember myself frequently and often for extended periods of time. My actions here and elsewhere are intentional, and performed with full awareness. Be careful about assumptions. Don't let your "I"s cloud your objective understanding of what you are observing. I guess, you might ask yourself, "Is he having fun? Am I? What can I learn from this?". Or, you might not. It is your journey toward Awakening, not mine.
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 25, 2011 14:18:39 GMT -6
Thanks for coming back to our discussion boards and posting a new introduction, Jason.At least you're giving lip service to the difference between knowledge and being. You do have a wealth of knowledge, Jason. That's why it's a shame you keep that valuable knowledge in a non-interest bearing account. By that, I mean you are virtually throwing your wisdom away with negativity.And this is the difference between self-observation and self-remembering; being in the moment and outside of it. If you really saw yourself, Jason, then you might see what I see: a lot of wasted effort.cthulhu-cult.com/?p=281This could be a wake-up call for you... perhaps for Modern Satanism. It's almost never too late to turn things around. Why not become a productive member of the Left Hand Path instead of embarrassing it with childish antics?
Awake!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2011 14:29:07 GMT -6
I define a "good" forum as a useful one, where you can learn and seriously discuss about important points. As this one.
Me too, I'm learning every days, I increase my wisdom and remember myself more often. I'm on my journey, yes, I'm coming from far but I'm satisfied with my progression. I just discovered that I naturally and without efforts gave up negativity, strange but good feeling to never be angry or resentful any more.
I told you regression because I see some negativity from you, and because I think yours past posts, for example in the "awesome posts", are better than what you just gave us to read. But it could be your intention to do so, for some reasons...
Remember when I told you about rolling a dice ? I'm getting better (partly thanks to your advice), and I prepare a post on this topic, please comment when I will post it.
Glad to read you again after all ! And NO, saying this I'm NOT kissing your ass !
Don't worry, be happy, make efforts.
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Post by nyrlthtp on Feb 25, 2011 14:36:23 GMT -6
...I am making my introductions. ...I am here just to tell you all about {(having) done some stuff, wrote a few things, made a couple of videos}.... I'm very glad to see you re-appearing here, Jason. welcome back. ...give me an example of good satanic forum. ... I would be happy to provide an example. What do you define as "good"? thanks for mentioning communication boards. it is my contention that the Satanist subculture is WAY too small to begin evaluative assessments on these methods of interaction and that we had best become aware of as many as we are able, thereafter emphasizing the style, technical quality and character, and public or private accessability of each. after that, coming to understand whether they feature primary personalities or groups as directors, philosophical standards as litmus for posting content, or other (predictable or unpredictable) standards or policies, will be valuable to for those interested in the topic. here is a preliminary list of web-based boards at which one may still find some activity (varying in volume over time): WEB Board Sites For Satanists icos.wall.fm/www.modernchurchofsatan.comwww.mysatan.comrealsatanism.ning.com/www.satanicinternationalnetwork.comspiritualsatanism.com/www.the600club.comI have attempted to track Satanism online and off since the 80s, and this has enabled me to produce some interesting data. one of the newest compilations is what i started to compile at S.I.N. and have since moved over to the I.C.o.S. as the Directory of Media Channels and Stations, upon which the above board list features as a supplement. rather than to continue this topic on 'good satanic forums' here, i would suggest instead that the relevant portions of our posts here be copied to a new thread and our evaluations of those above and any others we can identify be provided for the benefit of any who have interest. at that point i would be more amenable to providing my review of any of these and a deconstruction of what 'good' might mean in the context of internet cliques and communications. a pleasure to swerve,
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Post by nyrlthtp on Feb 25, 2011 14:42:11 GMT -6
I define a "good" forum as a useful one, where you can learn and seriously discuss about important points. As this one.... that's a very minimal criteria for 'goodness'. I suggest to you that you are unfamiliar with board posting, have little familiarity with what exists currently (see my immediately previous post), or aren't interested in discerning quality in the main. again, i suggest that another thread be dedicated to the topic, possibly with the relevant posts shifted or copied to that location, and this appears a distraction in a heated and futile evaluation of a former Priest of R'lyeh, demonstrating the general condition of all participating herein.
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Post by charlesufarley on Feb 25, 2011 14:47:49 GMT -6
I define a "good" forum as a useful one, where you can learn and seriously discuss about important points. As this one. So, "good" is determined by its usefulness. By that definition, I cannot tell you what is good, as I will not concern myself with what is "useful" to you. Only you can make that determination. I told you regression because I see some negativity from you, and because I think yours past posts, for example in the "awesome posts", are better than what you just gave us to read. But it could be your intention to do so, for some reasons... What is "negativity"? Is it when you disagree with something or someone? Is it having a view-point that is different? Is holding to an opinion that runs counter to the opinions of others "negative"? People here seem quick to call anything that is not in-line with the consensus "negative". I am not certain if that is your definition, but it is an odd vibe from such an Awakened congregation.
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Post by charlesufarley on Feb 25, 2011 14:56:38 GMT -6
At least you're giving lip service to the difference between knowledge and being. You do have a wealth of knowledge, Jason. That's why it's a shame you keep that valuable knowledge in a non-interest bearing account. By that, I mean you are virtually throwing your wisdom away with negativity. We have different values, Darrick. What you refer to as a "non-interest bearing account" I see as paying dividends on a tremendous scale. If "belief is reality", which perspective would you suggest is most important to me? And this is the difference between self-observation and self-remembering; being in the moment and outside of it. If you really saw yourself, Jason, then you might see what I see: a lot of wasted effort. It is funny that I have had recent occasion to say the same about you several times in recent months, speaking about your conviction and its misguided application. Consideration and Identification seem to be the issues you struggle with, Darrick, and both have made you all but blind. Your Awakening, however, is your to pursue, not mine. I leave you to it.
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 25, 2011 15:01:01 GMT -6
What is negativity? An excellent question!
No, negativity is not having or espousing a different viewpoint. Negativity, in the Work sense, has to do with the emotional center. When we live from a place of anger, hate, fear, spite, jealousy, resentment, insecurity, and pain we are being negative. Expressing our negative emotions feeds us to the universe. Do you want to feed the universe or do you want to live from a place that is free of negativity?
From a practical sense, when a discussion is entered into by individuals seeking truth, that is positive. But when argument is merely used to tear individuals down, to harm others, then it is negative. CoC forum members should try to embody the former rather than the latter.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by nyrlthtp on Feb 25, 2011 15:01:27 GMT -6
...you are virtually throwing your wisdom away with negativity. rather, negativity, harshness, unbridled criticism, and abrasiveness of character describe the immaturity or absence of wisdom which exist. what is not captured or held cannot ever be thrown away. ...this is the difference between self-observation and self-remembering; being in the moment and outside of it. If you really saw yourself ..., then you might see what I see: a lot of wasted effort. the dangers of projection, and a failure to properly evaluate investment and waste are typical in contexts and rivalries of this kind. Is there a difference between being in the moment and being outside the moment?the difference is real and exists as the intensity and volume of attention directed at the current proximate conditions, whether internal to the perceiver, or mediating or external to same. action and the motility usually described as stirring up the pool of experience are restrained and allowed to settle in meditative exercises, disciplines, directed to regularity in mastery. however actual, 'the moment' is both all that ever exists and shifts so as to become a variable in temporal consciousness. focussed attention for duration crystalizes the perception of being 'in the moment' as it withdraws from apprehending or reflecting modalities. release of, or insufficient skill in maintaining, this composure results in the resumption escaping the placid assuredness of repose necessary for the observation and remembering to which you make mention. Why not become a productive member of the Left Hand Path instead of embarrassing it with childish antics? you've already answered this question several times yourself in other contexts. sometimes the timing isn't right. at others 'productivity' is not the highest priority, nor is attending to what might be regarded by any as 'reality'. the tightest cleaving to the trajectory of progress sometimes requires severe extremes, even what appears to be an abandonment of discipline for periods of time.
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Post by charlesufarley on Feb 25, 2011 15:04:33 GMT -6
thanks for mentioning communication boards. it is my contention that the Satanist subculture is WAY too small to begin evaluative assessments on these methods of interaction and that we had best become aware of as many as we are able, thereafter emphasizing the style, technical quality and character, and public or private accessability of each. after that, coming to understand whether they feature primary personalities or groups as directors, philosophical standards as litmus for posting content, or other (predictable or unpredictable) standards or policies, will be valuable to for those interested in the topic. Translation Thanks for mentioning the forums. It is my opinion that the Satanist subculture is WAY too small to form a value-judgment. We should try out different forums... as many as possible. After that, we can begin to make some determinations about value. Speak to your audience if you wish them to hear you. Speak above your audience when you fear that they won't care. Somebody had to say it.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 15:07:27 GMT -6
And, for those wonder, jasonsorrell = charlesufarley. Don't blame Charles... he didn't know any better.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 15:12:50 GMT -6
What is negativity? An excellent question!
No, negativity is not having or espousing a different viewpoint. Negativity, in the Work sense, has to do with the emotional center. When we live from a place of anger, hate, fear, spite, jealousy, resentment, insecurity, and pain we are being negative. Expressing our negative emotions feeds us to the universe. Do you want to feed the universe or do you want to live from a place that is free of negativity?
From a practical sense, when a discussion is entered into by individuals seeking truth, that is positive. But when argument is merely used to tear individuals down, to harm others, then it is negative. CoC forum members should try to embody the former rather than the latter. Who determines when we "live from a place of anger, hate, fear, spite, jealousy, resentment, insecurity, and pain"? Is it determined by the value judgments of some Ipssissimus, or is it a matter of discovery through self-observation? If someone, as a default response to criticism, cries "negativity" at the drop of a hat, what does that say?
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 25, 2011 15:25:33 GMT -6
I'm sure that Jason doesn't see it as I do either. But, to use your analogy, where are the dividends which have been paid? How has your life been enriched to an extraordinary degree over the last few years?
Which is it? Are you going to leave me to it, my pursuit of Awakening, or are you going to instruct me in your Fourth Way understanding? Please, tell me about my conviction and misguided application. Show me where I'm considering and identifying too much because, indeed, I struggle with them both. I assume that I'm blind relative to you. Correct? Describe how you see the world through less blind eyes.
While you're at it, ask yourself... were your remarks meant to cause some form of harm or were they suited to the purpose of changing things for the better?
Fair warning to one and all, I've recently updated the forum guidelines and rules. With the sudden influx of biased patrons, I saw this as a way of keeping our discussion from degenerating. Here, Darrick does not exist. You have a variety of words to use in its place though.
Indeed, my question was a rhetorical one.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 15:51:14 GMT -6
I'm sure that Jason doesn't see it as I do either. But, to use your analogy, where are the dividends which have been paid? How has your life been enriched to an extraordinary degree over the last few years? Charles is Jason, you. Pay attention. My life has been enriched to extraordinary degree over the last few years. Are you in a position to question that statement? Who's determination of value is more important; yours or mine? Which is it? Are you going to leave me to it, my pursuit of Awakening, or are you going to instruct me in your Fourth Way understanding? Please, tell me about my conviction and misguided application. Show me where I'm considering and identifying too much because, indeed, I struggle with them both. I assume that I'm blind relative to you. Correct? Describe how you see the world through less blind eyes. I cannot instruct you unless you truly wish to be instructed. I can show an example. I can provide information, I can leave sign-posts for you to discover. However, no amount of instruction will be of value to someone who already is convinced he knows it all. One cannot fill a cup that is already full. While you're at it, ask yourself... were your remarks meant to cause some form of harm or were they suited to the purpose of changing things for the better? My remarks were not meant to cause any form of harm. They are suited to the purpose of changing things for the better. Fair warning to one and all, I've recently updated the forum guidelines and rules. With the sudden influx of biased patrons, I saw this as a way of keeping our discussion from degenerating. Here, Darrick does not exist. You have a variety of words to use in its place though. [/b][/color] [/quote] I got this message just now, you. I will go look at the forum rules when I am finished here. I am curious, will your new rules be evenly enforced?
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 25, 2011 16:11:34 GMT -6
You posted about your now-closed puppet account before I finished my post responding to Charles.
I am in a position to question everything; we all are. I'm asking, has your life been so enriched and how do you determine that? Sure, my valuation may vary, but it's your life. Share your understanding!
If you, or anyone else, has something of substance to teach me, then I am eager to learn. Knows it all? I have no such conviction. When have I ever stated that I knew everything? Don't mistake self-confidence for arrogance.
Then might I suggest you work on your "people skills", Jason?
The first thing anyone should do when trying to resolve a potential conflict is to identify common ground and use that to establish a friendly rapport. Consider my position for a nanosecond and perhaps you'll be able to see the situation from my perspective. You've done it before and I valued most of your contributions in 2010.
I hope so. Although, now that I know Charles has left the building, perhaps that wasn't necessary. Actions have consequences. Time will tell...
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 16:27:10 GMT -6
I am in a position to question everything; we all are. I'm asking, has your life been so enriched and how do you determine that? Sure, my valuation may vary, but it's your life. Share your understanding! I am not convinced that you would understand the answer. I would be happy to instruct you, if I were certain that there existed a sincere possibility that you wished to learn. My actions, here and elsewhere, exhibit the evidence of what my values are and how my life has been enriched. Buck up, man, you had a part to play in all of it! If the Ipsissimus requires my guidance, then let him earn it. In the meantime, a clue is in your own statement. It is my life. I am doing a show tonight on blog talk radio. I might discuss it. If you, or anyone else, has something of substance to teach me, then I am eager to learn. Knows it all? I have no such conviction. When have I ever stated that I knew everything? Don't mistake self-confidence for arrogance. I don't mistake self-confidence for arrogance. Am I arrogant, or self-confident? Are you certain that you do not justify arrogance by charitably chalking it up to self-confidence? Self-confidence, by my definition is earned. Arrogance is assumed. Then might I suggest you work on your "people skills", Jason?
The first thing anyone should do when trying to resolve a potential conflict is to identify common ground and use that to establish a friendly rapport. Consider my position for a nanosecond and perhaps you'll be able to see the situation from my perspective. You've done it before and I valued most of your contributions in 2010. The opposite of charity is justice. I prefer to be just, even with my opinions and expressions of my point of view. I do a disservice to the person I am speaking to if I sugar-coat the message, if I assume that he or she lacks the strength to handle the message. I will not Consider your position! I will not Identify with you! That is the path opposed to Awakening. Instead, I will struggle to see things as they are.
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Post by darkprism on Feb 25, 2011 16:55:30 GMT -6
LOL. I guess the COC/self- promotion hasn't been too well received over at SIN. Time for some payback? This should be interesting. By the way, it is kind of sad that for something to be "interesting" here, a certain amount of drama has to be involved. Speaks volumes. Yes it does. Especially about the one creating it. Looks like your having fun. Carry on. ;D
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Post by nyrlthtp on Feb 25, 2011 17:14:23 GMT -6
{translating} Thanks for mentioning the forums. It is my opinion that the Satanist subculture is WAY too small to form a value-judgment. We should try out different forums... as many as possible. After that, we can begin to make some determinations about value. a pleasant summary, thank you. it ignores the qualities of evaluation which i sought to emphasize given the likelihood that no further thread-proliferation will take place. Speak to your audience if you wish them to hear you. Speak above your audience when you fear that they won't care. ... an interest in what others think is the predominant failure of most Satanian expositors. I have chosen well my titular moniker: Ibtorka Hashtan Groag. I don't care who you are or how you see me. my response will largely be the same. Blvd up, chuck!
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Post by darkprism on Feb 25, 2011 17:14:40 GMT -6
LOL. I guess the COC/self- promotion hasn't been too well received over at SIN. Time for some payback? This should be interesting. WHAT?! You me that someone here is promoting themselves and their message in a venue where the other participants tend to have nothing but contempt for that person and/or message? How could someone from this prestigious gathering lack the awareness to do that? You have got to be kidding! Seriously, not looking for payback or any kind of justice, but I am interested in being paid. I have a number of products of different kinds that the participants of this forum have expressed an interest in. I am just a humble trader, a profiteer, seeking to earn a reward... whatever form that may take. Would my message be better received if I announced my ascendence to Ipsissimus? ;)Intention nicely veiled with a sardonic sense of humour. Well done, brother. I like your products, and support your artistic endeavors. It makes no difference to me what title you hold. If you have something that I find of value, I will consider buying it, or contributing to it as I have already. As for forum protocol. Whatever. If the creator wants it that way, and I choose to use the forum, then It really isn't such a big hump to get over. Awake! Dark Prism
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Post by symbolicone on Feb 25, 2011 17:28:32 GMT -6
So this isn't very productive. But I suppose we are still having introductions, there is clearly a lot of history here that I am not fully aware of.
Stop breaking the world. Let's try and repair it.
Awake!
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 17:30:50 GMT -6
So this isn't very productive. But I suppose we are still having introductions, there is clearly a lot of history here that I am not fully aware of. Stop breaking the world. Let's try and repair it. Awake! Depends on your definition of "productive". Thus far, this has been one of my most productive days on the CoC forum, by my measurement of productivity.
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