Post by lokidreaming on Dec 7, 2010 2:00:26 GMT -6
I have been mostly been quiet throughout all these conflicts within the LHP arena, as I did not consider myself experienced enough to join in the debate without being told off and schooled by the ELDERS of the LHP community.
I was confused and torn; on the one hand you had individuals and groups of individuals creating LHP more free and decentralized as no to confirm to church structures as they found it dangerous and of a hindering nature.
Then on the other hand you had groups like Cult of Cthulhu behaving like those churches that I was told weren¡¯t going anywhere due to their structure and hierarchy system.
So all this time, I have been passively watching on the sideline, especially these few months. Since last year, I had and still am following Venger Satanis and Jason King Youtube accounts. So when certain stuff arose, I was like whoa!
I could see both sides of the argument.
Then in the course of a few weeks while I was involved in some heavy commenting and posting on Facebook I realized one of the main answers to this age old LHP debated could be
DISCIPLINE
I¡¯m going to use an example from life as a starting point.
When I first got into Hospitality I had this asain head chef who was and is still is the asian version of "Gordan Ramsey". Nothing I ever did was from my point of view good enough. He was always getting the staff to do menial and pointless tasks that could have been done at other times.
When I parted ways with them, I was told that where ever I go due to them, I will always be one of the best in any field I choose to go, they were right then and they are right now.
That was my BOOT CAMP, that has helped me considerably to the person I am today.
Form my personal understanding, when you are put in that situation you can quit (aka get out of the kitchen if it¡¯s too hot for you) or put up with it and or prove yourself. I always choose to prove myself.
It works, due it being more of a psychological approach; it¡¯s you as the individual who has to dig deep down and do all he hard work
e.g. personal trainer pushing you to your limits.
It¡¯s not just the army and authoritarian forces like cops who put this kind of discipline to practice. Monks of all beliefs system and nuns of the catholic faith put this into practice.
Yes you will have those who will go you beeping Nazi bastard.
In relating to the occult work, DISCIPLINE has been drilled into my head so much when I first started out.
I was given Aleister Crowleys Liber something (upstairs in my room), part of it had sitting postures and breathing exercises to help me with my discipline, I originally thought, OMG, you want me to do that? You must be kidding? You are kidding me? Once again I was behaving like new army recruit.
After I started going back to the gym I was like hmmm, this is making sense, cos the
Liber something breathing exercises=cardio workout
cardio workout=improves how much weights you can use
It is true one grows stronger through adversity and being is suffering
To me sometimes the authoritarian style and all the discipline, rules and regulations can work.
Enduring all these discipline, rules and regulations is one of the paths that leads to suffering and adversity.
I was going to use another of one of my examples here, however I'm going to use a proboard post here as an example as it better explains whats in my head to a certain degree and its more relevant to the COC.
cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rules&thread=3892&page=1#31820
Well you can see where I am going with this in relating it to the occult path.
I used to get frustrated by all the rules regulating what topics I'm allowed to and not allowed to post.
In a way I get it now, however my interpretation/internalization may be different from others.
Now relating this to LHP, a lot of it is about being free and doing what¡¯s right for you and being true to yourself.
So here lies the conflict between groups and individuals on the LHP
Cos
You have (new) LHP path groups sprouting up trying to decentralize the "PLATO REPUPLIC EFFECT" and hold on the occult/LHP community and try not to behave like and organized church.
However, most of them revert back to the basics of that PLATO EFFECT no matter how hard they try by going to be a member of this group you have to this and that and don¡¯t do this and that.
One of the reasons I have concluded for this is some of the new LHPers and Satanists, don't really believe in magick and magical practices, so they don't understand the importance of DISCIPLNE in regards to those practices.
And if they do, they are mostly theistic Satanists who use the rituals as a mean to an end, they don't really believe in it, they are just hoping their rituals works so they understand why there is discipline, and rules and regulations governing occult groups and individuals. Co they have it in there minds, due to limited material they have come across and limited material that the LHP should be like this and like that (mostly them quoting La Veys writing).
And others they don't believe in anything but themselves.
I see DISCIPLINE; rules and regulations of most groups as a tool to help further myself as an occultist and as a person.
Due to these new understandings of mine, I really want to go to a proper army boot camp just to prove to myself I am as tough as I know I am.
ps:- From personal experience in situations like this the individual always falsely blames the personal trainer for their pain and suffering.
The personal trainer is the helping aid; the trainee has to do all the hard work!!!
Personal trainer=Occult groups, members etc
So I thank those who out there who has helped me in my path as an occultist, most of the time just my crossing my path, and even though you may think that person is an online idiot and not going anywhere, most of the time you fail you to understand how you have touched that persons life for the better
Belief is reality
Loki Dreaming
I was confused and torn; on the one hand you had individuals and groups of individuals creating LHP more free and decentralized as no to confirm to church structures as they found it dangerous and of a hindering nature.
Then on the other hand you had groups like Cult of Cthulhu behaving like those churches that I was told weren¡¯t going anywhere due to their structure and hierarchy system.
So all this time, I have been passively watching on the sideline, especially these few months. Since last year, I had and still am following Venger Satanis and Jason King Youtube accounts. So when certain stuff arose, I was like whoa!
I could see both sides of the argument.
Then in the course of a few weeks while I was involved in some heavy commenting and posting on Facebook I realized one of the main answers to this age old LHP debated could be
DISCIPLINE
I¡¯m going to use an example from life as a starting point.
When I first got into Hospitality I had this asain head chef who was and is still is the asian version of "Gordan Ramsey". Nothing I ever did was from my point of view good enough. He was always getting the staff to do menial and pointless tasks that could have been done at other times.
When I parted ways with them, I was told that where ever I go due to them, I will always be one of the best in any field I choose to go, they were right then and they are right now.
That was my BOOT CAMP, that has helped me considerably to the person I am today.
Form my personal understanding, when you are put in that situation you can quit (aka get out of the kitchen if it¡¯s too hot for you) or put up with it and or prove yourself. I always choose to prove myself.
It works, due it being more of a psychological approach; it¡¯s you as the individual who has to dig deep down and do all he hard work
e.g. personal trainer pushing you to your limits.
It¡¯s not just the army and authoritarian forces like cops who put this kind of discipline to practice. Monks of all beliefs system and nuns of the catholic faith put this into practice.
Yes you will have those who will go you beeping Nazi bastard.
In relating to the occult work, DISCIPLINE has been drilled into my head so much when I first started out.
I was given Aleister Crowleys Liber something (upstairs in my room), part of it had sitting postures and breathing exercises to help me with my discipline, I originally thought, OMG, you want me to do that? You must be kidding? You are kidding me? Once again I was behaving like new army recruit.
After I started going back to the gym I was like hmmm, this is making sense, cos the
Liber something breathing exercises=cardio workout
cardio workout=improves how much weights you can use
It is true one grows stronger through adversity and being is suffering
To me sometimes the authoritarian style and all the discipline, rules and regulations can work.
Enduring all these discipline, rules and regulations is one of the paths that leads to suffering and adversity.
I was going to use another of one of my examples here, however I'm going to use a proboard post here as an example as it better explains whats in my head to a certain degree and its more relevant to the COC.
cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=rules&thread=3892&page=1#31820
Well you can see where I am going with this in relating it to the occult path.
I used to get frustrated by all the rules regulating what topics I'm allowed to and not allowed to post.
In a way I get it now, however my interpretation/internalization may be different from others.
Now relating this to LHP, a lot of it is about being free and doing what¡¯s right for you and being true to yourself.
So here lies the conflict between groups and individuals on the LHP
Cos
You have (new) LHP path groups sprouting up trying to decentralize the "PLATO REPUPLIC EFFECT" and hold on the occult/LHP community and try not to behave like and organized church.
However, most of them revert back to the basics of that PLATO EFFECT no matter how hard they try by going to be a member of this group you have to this and that and don¡¯t do this and that.
One of the reasons I have concluded for this is some of the new LHPers and Satanists, don't really believe in magick and magical practices, so they don't understand the importance of DISCIPLNE in regards to those practices.
And if they do, they are mostly theistic Satanists who use the rituals as a mean to an end, they don't really believe in it, they are just hoping their rituals works so they understand why there is discipline, and rules and regulations governing occult groups and individuals. Co they have it in there minds, due to limited material they have come across and limited material that the LHP should be like this and like that (mostly them quoting La Veys writing).
And others they don't believe in anything but themselves.
I see DISCIPLINE; rules and regulations of most groups as a tool to help further myself as an occultist and as a person.
Due to these new understandings of mine, I really want to go to a proper army boot camp just to prove to myself I am as tough as I know I am.
ps:- From personal experience in situations like this the individual always falsely blames the personal trainer for their pain and suffering.
The personal trainer is the helping aid; the trainee has to do all the hard work!!!
Personal trainer=Occult groups, members etc
So I thank those who out there who has helped me in my path as an occultist, most of the time just my crossing my path, and even though you may think that person is an online idiot and not going anywhere, most of the time you fail you to understand how you have touched that persons life for the better
Belief is reality
Loki Dreaming
