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Post by boksmutant on Nov 3, 2010 17:09:15 GMT -6
Hey Jason King. Dont come on to the forum with your belligerent, anarchy. Which you are obviously an agent of. Obey the Forum rules. They are there to keep some sorta order.
And where the FUCK! have you been anyway. Ive been waiting for months to hear from the "great Jason King" ever since I saw your Introduction video.
And here you pop up with your big(stop the press!) 17th post. And I'm like "there he is".
I demand to see more posts from you. I think you'd have a lot to add, but don't wanna seem like a follower. Pity.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 3, 2010 18:44:26 GMT -6
A lot has happened since I left for work this morning. Always very interesting. However, I typed this up a work today in response to High Priest Satanis, and I'd say it still applies. Regardless of if an olive branch is grasped, this is where I stand.
High Priest Satanis,
I once had a conversation with my grandfather when he was complaining that his children never called him anymore. They were out on their own, doing their own things, and they were successful. But they never called him, to ask his opinion, to shed light from a different perspective, or just to bullshit about nothing. I explained to him that, even though these were his grown, adult children, he was still the parent. It was still his responsibility as their parent to take the higher road and lead by example. If he felt like there were things missing in his relationship with his children, then he needed to make the change for them both. You likened TC to an adolescent that had outgrown his father. To you, High Priest, I give the same advice that I once gave my grandfather. The phone works to make AND receive phone calls, and I don't remember Jason's phone ringing. I'm not absolving Jason of not fulfilling his responsibilities as a Priest of R'lyeh, for I don't know the ins and outs of the agreement you had with the Priests of R'lyeh. However, I do know that it is up to you as a leader to set the example. Of course there are politics and bureaucratic red tape within an organization. And to be successful, one must learn to maneuver accordingly. There is no question here. I do not speak for Jason or TC, but I'm sure that they announced the Heretical Grotto with the understanding you had embraced, and publicly announced your support of, the trichotomy that had been naturally developing all along. This included the Heretical side they both aligned themselves with. Now, let me see if I understand the next part correctly: I have no proof that you were party to any of this, Apsara. So, perhaps it was unfair of me to characterize you in such a way. But last night's email to Vanessa and I actually kicked off the whole debacle, so I saw you as just another piece of the puzzle. You received an email from ME questioning your requirement that all WoTD's pledge their undying, personal loyalty to you, and rather than approaching me, or Jason, or TC about how MY response worried you, you think there is a conspiracy brewing and you ended up publicly denouncing JASON? How does that make sense? You have no proof that I had any part in...what...Master Satanis? Thank you for posting the transcript so all may read word for word. Maybe I misunderstood your response, but it does not elude to an emotion of "happy." I still intend for every Wizard of the Terrible Darkness, along with those having a higher degree, to swear their undying personal loyalty to me. So if that's a deal breaker for you, then you cannot remain a Wizard. There will be a place for you as a Herald, if you like, but I need to trust those who help me lead the Cult of Cthulhu. As you can see, trust is a hard thing to come by these days. I do not question your need for loyalty. As a High Priest of a LHP organization, I can only imagine how important this must be to you. So, here is my stance. Had I been given the opportunity to continue this conversation in private like it started, I may have been open to the ideas you presented. I may have been able to work with the idea and come around to it. However, I have to question you, High Priest Satanis, on how you would now, given the recent set of events, expect me to give you my undying, personal loyalty when I don't see that you would be willing to reciprocate it? As my faithful leader, I must be able to trust you just as much as you must be able to trust me. This is where Jason's "mutually beneficial" idea plays a key factor in MY life. If I were to pledge my loyalty to you now, would you even really trust that it was me behind the monitor? Would you be able to trust that I am not continuing to be Jason's pawn? Would you be able to listen with an open mind when we came to a point we couldn't agree on? I'm not afraid to Work for trust and respect, but I question whether or not you would even really be open to giving it now that you think Jason was trying to take the Cult away from you. Pledging my loyalty to you now... well... it just FEELS wrong. If I were to do so, it would be mere lip service only used as a means to an ends, and I can't imagine that you would want that. If that means I take a demotion, I'll do so with as much pride as I accepted the ascension in the first place. You are very right, Master Satanis. Trust is a hard thing to come by.
Awake!
Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu I don't believe Jason ever gave me his phone number.
And I did email Jason several times over the last 3 months. I made the effort. He's the one who did not reciprocate. If Jason had a problem with how the Cult was evolving or how he was evolving within the CoC, then it's up to him to voice his opinion instead of coming out with a widely divergent counter group in conjunction with T.C.
It may not have been a deliberately malicious conspiracy, but there was a definite plan to switch gears and create something incongruent with the CoC I built from the ground up. I repeat Vanessa's email:This is essentially a summary of what I've found, in case it is of interest. I also have some questions concerning the future direction of the Cult after these events. Jason said that he was intending to enable the CoC to run independently, with the leader (you) as an administrator that facilitated things. He also stated that he wanted people to approach one another as equals, sort of a think tank or networking tool instead of a hierarchy, or he wasn't interested. He had mentioned before that he felt goofy being referred to by certain honorary titles and preferred to be addressed as Jason. I suppose that's his prerogative, but dissolving titles and ranks altogether in a separate forum (as suggested for the heretical grotto) does seem to be extending those preferences beyond himself. He also said he envisioned the Council of Wizards as being more self-directed (Wizards voting on their own council and electing their own Magistrate) instead of being subject to external powers of Cult-wide election and appointment from higher-ups. He said he didn't realize you took the Mythos and yourself as seriously as you apparently do, and that he thought your claim to be Man 6 was assumptive thinking. I suppose this confirms, in detail, what I already suspected. They perceive the Cult of Cthulhu as a more casual, egalitarian structure, whereas you (by my understanding) devised it to be more ordered and authoritative. I suppose they're free to organize however they please on their own, but it is your place to direct the Cult that you created as you see fit. Jason claims he misunderstood what you had envisioned, and would not intend to stay with the Cult as you plan it, so he's gone either way. That affirms I was absolutely correct in being apprehensive about this new "grotto of heretics" and what it would mean for the CoC as a whole. Now, if this is a mischaracterization of Jason Sorrell, then please inform us all.
By the way, your continued criticism of how I've handled the situation has been noted, but I really don't have anything more to say on the manner. I'm not going to apologize for defending our emerald paradigm.
How long, Dread Lord, unholy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by xiaogui17 on Nov 3, 2010 18:53:25 GMT -6
In case anyone missed King's own statement of intention or Master Satanis's admonition, here is a formal announcement: Thou shalt NOT feed the troll.[/b][/u] King is trying to get a rise out of you. Ignore him. Replying is like throwing gasoline on a flame.[/size]
Awake!
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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 3, 2010 23:50:26 GMT -6
....see what is what and who is who? I want to know what all this is really about? As this thread, and indeed the actions leading up to it, have all the hallmarks of a bloodless revolution or coup d'état, I have no choice except to abolish this Grotto, as well as, any further attempt to depose me, the Cult of Cthulhu, and our multi-dimensional, inclusive paradigm. I will not stand idly by and watch anyone derail, obstruct, or steal what I have worked so hard to build. ...{to former Priest of R'lyeh Ego} I will not tolerate your contemptuous dissent. I'm sure there are some who prefer your way of doing things. To those Cultists I say, "so long, you will be missed." On the other hand, if I've misjudged you and your Heretics of Cthulhu Grotto, then please speak up. Master Satanis, i did not witness anything contemptuous, though i can understand why you might relate 'heretics' to dissent (based on its etymology). your reaction seems extreme, unwarranted, and overbearing, directly self-contradictory to your admirable (in protectiveness if not in timing) restraint on the former Priests of R'lyeh previously. You have misjudged the Heretics of Cthulhu. It has manifested to carry forth the ideals of the Cult of Cthulhu. this is also my assessment. after reading this thread and with knowledge of former Priest of R'lyeh Beast outside of this and Ooze contexts, it appears to me that miscommunication and over-reaction have led to the outcome here. Call me paranoid, crazy, an ego-maniac and whatever else. Your betrayal does not come as a surprise. How clever you were to undermine me here, to gather support there, to create an unofficial grotto that seems more like an egalitarian Church of Satan than anything having to do with the Cult of Cthulhu, telling others how you intend to misdirect my vision, your woman setting herself up as head of the Wizards' Council... to defy and bash me in the name of individualism. Hahaha, so ingenious I almost never saw it. And it seems you had a few loyal Cultists fooled as well. Impressive. Or it would be if such an underhanded move hadn't irreparably sealed the fate of your immortal soul. actually, what former Priest of R'lyeh Ego referred to were: "...observers and former members who have suggested that our High Priest is an ego-maniac, bi-polar, mis-interprets Gurdjieff, is apathetic and easily distracted, and feels no real obligation to his organization and its members." your expressions here, High Priest Satanis, seem extreme and not just a little groundless from where i am sitting. they seem in fact to conform to the criticisms against which Ego was previously defending you, which is unfortunate in the extreme. ...A day or so ago, I received a revision proposal from High Priest Satanis. One of the requirements he was proposing was that I admit, I was taken aback by this. This requirement came across to me as counterproductive to my understanding of awakening and individualism and aligned it more with the RHP philosophies I {thought} the CoC was avoiding. it is top-down hierarchical domination. is it LHP or RHP? Anton LaVey did EXACTLY THE SAME THING IN THE CHURCH OF SATAN, even going so far as to prop up some kind of fictional "Council of Nine' which supposedly advised him, but apparently didn't even do that until long into the church's existence. Anton dominated the church and anything he said was the rule. was this "RHP"? this is not clear, and arguably it was, and top-down hiearchies dominated by leaders are fascistic, inhibiting of self-development, and doomed to the dustbin. that said, given the extant and previous hierarchy here and its integration of Crazy Wisdom teachings of Gurdjieff, Ouspensky, et al, we have to ask how combinable any of this is. this is an issue which i brought up in the Modern Church of Satan, asking how such corrosive approaches to selves as are taken by Workers after these individuals may be present within the CoC site. if one accepts that this allows an approach for the disabled needy and is not in fact an intention to coddle broken people who are mouldable zombies, then we need to ask how those within the cult hierarchy are assisted, whether they are advancing, and if they are treated as mature adults. from what little i have observed, moderation and communication skills are lacking within this administration, and the treatment demonstrated here in this thread doesn't represent a dealing with the kinds of individuals who are unquestionably supposed of a maturing and developed status. quite the opposite, i'd suggest. as such, i think this conforms moreso to the PROBLEMS of RHP systems and philosophies, of which my impression is that The Work is one. is this an aspect of attempting to combine RHP and LHP? I am not sure. I think that top-down direction is not uncommon in things called LHP, but unless we discern clearly what we mean by these, it's anyone's guess. as i am using the term i would say that organizations, cults are all RHP, so you get what you bargain for, effectively. "what the CoC was avoiding" is a very telling phrase. how will you evaluate what it is including, and what it is avoiding, unless you've had experiences with those previous instances of the same thing or something comparable, or generally know what to look for? this is always the problem of 're-inventing the wheel' (or religion, or some other complexity) and trying to avoid its pitfalls: "What idiots?! Why did they make it possible to fall into these pits? Hey, when i created this religion-dungeon these pits started appearing! Aw no!" {It} is correct {"that the CoC is about creating a religion within the LHP community that is focused on individualism and awakening."} And religions have leaders. Leaders cannot effectively lead without faithfulness. I cannot disagree more strongly with this rhetoric, but it may be a semantical struggle in part. first off, a religion consists of something more concrete and formal than what i understand has yet been created (on the ground or in theory) by the Cult of Cthulhu; and therefore its usage of 'cult' is in part specious. secondly, the phrase 'LHP' is being used here in a particular fashion which i am as yet unsure is clear, though i will watch for more data. third, not only can LHP leaders lead without faithfulness (and i would argue that this is ALL that they do!), but even RHP leaders may lead by setting an example which does not require faith at all, but may simply demonstrate success. ...The survival of our religion serves a purpose in Awakening, wouldn't you agree? I am the Cult of Cthulhu. Are you not loyal to the Cult? Therefore, your allegiance to me must be overtly stated by necessity. Especially, when the pungent odor of conspiracy, betrayal, and opportunism can be detected just outside one's lair. the only pungence that i could detect was a lot of suspicion without enough communication, then a lot of heated feces being tossed about. I doubt that much of it was conducive to achieving something worthwhile, and based on my comments above you might imagine that i don't think that allegiance is best commanded, but better earned through a process of inter-related projects (including successes and failures). Of course, every conceivable angle of ideology will remain within the Cult of Cthulhu. There are still heretics, as well as, heretical viewpoints within our ranks, but I am the highest authority. I am the Great Old Ones' instrument on earth. I Am The Way. Go ahead and start your own group, although I have no idea why you'd want anything more to do with Lovecraft. Why don't you start the New Modern Collective of Applied Satanism or something like that? Sounds right up your alley. I explained very clearly why people including you would want to have anything to do with Lovecraft. he created some of the most alien monsters to the human species we have the pleasure of attempting to embrace in consciousness, and horror fiction is important to the LHP it seems. ...I finally understand what you've been working toward. A little spring cleaning in the old hierarchy...eh? I don't think this is accurate. I think that rather than cleaning, he was interested in resolution, cohesiveness, and loyalty, all of which are not always easy to detect, and far more difficult to command. There's always that small chance that I made a mistake. But if so, then where was the running stuff past me beforehand, the keeping in touch, the planning, the cooperation, the teamwork? Where was the brotherhood? How come there wasn't so much as an email or phone call from either R'lyehian Priest after they realized I was disturbed by the whole situation? maybe people need to learn how to communicate, and communicate clearly/effectively. surely there should be some slack made available for this. ...I told you that this went beyond friendship, "this is the fate of the world and your very soul." And you scoffed with derision. When I asked if you had lost the faith, you said that I was scaring you. As if you hadn't believed in the Cthulhu Cult, our paradigm, or in me at all. Had never truly believed! There was precious little reassurance in those texts. It's almost like you were too afraid to come out and tell me what you really thought, what you really wanted to do. this is part of the problem: how much belief is NECESSARY to participate? the Way of Religion can sometimes incorporate a great deal of belief, and my understanding of heart-based RHP systems is that they require one to shut down one's mind, accept an ideology, and then employ it to purpose (note that i am not condemning this as useless or fruitless, or saying it is a panacea or universal salvation). ... Whatever role I play in our religion comes not from ego, but from the need to ... lots of masters tell us this. show us this consistently and perhaps we'll find a way to believe you. ...You might remember our conversation a couple weeks ago. The one where I mentioned that I was taking the degree of Ipsissimus while allowing you and Jason to take over as High Priests! Remember that? Why would I have reluctantly told you of my future plans, offering both of you unparalleled power and responsibility in 2011 only to cut you off at the knees a fortnight later? Because I somehow felt threatened?!? the assertion that you felt threatened does seem to be based on actual text you have posted to this thread. if you don't want to come off this way, perhaps doing as you have suggested and backing off, taking a number of breaths, perhaps contacting the people in question to be sure you are interpreted properly, and then coming to it with fresh eyes could be helpful.
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Post by xiaogui17 on Nov 3, 2010 23:57:17 GMT -6
I do not question your need for loyalty. As a High Priest of a LHP organization, I can only imagine how important this must be to you. So, here is my stance. Had I been given the opportunity to continue this conversation in private like it started, I may have been open to the ideas you presented. This raises two important issues. One, this probably would have been better handled privately. The rest of the Cult did not need to see this, especially since there's a lot about this they didn't know and it just adds to the confusion and upset, not to mention it's unbecoming of the figures involved. Two, the term "undying personal loyalty" is a strong, yet vague, term. A little elaboration on what that entailed may have set some minds at ease.If Jason had a problem with how the Cult was evolving or how he was evolving within the CoC, then it's up to him to voice his opinion instead of coming out with a widely divergent counter group in conjunction with T.C.
It may not have been a deliberately malicious conspiracy, but there was a definite plan to switch gears and create something incongruent with the CoC I built from the ground up. Both these issues seem to stem from misunderstanding and a lack of communication. Although TC reports he discussed the formation of his grotto with Master Satanis before, it probably would have been best to get the green light prior to announcing it publicly. The take-home message here is that, when anything new is proposed, especially by a member with as much visibility and clout as a Priest of R'lyeh, everyone in the Priesthood needs to be on the same page before it's publicized.
Perhaps it wasn't TC's intention to go over Master Satanis's head, but the sudden unexpected post did end up stunning him. Master Satanis wanted to table the discussion so he'd have some time to work it out in a compromise that could potentially work for everyone. When Jason said to go ahead and not wait on his account, Master Satanis felt put on the spot. He had no opportunity to review and give feedback prior to the launch, since the public post was already receiving responses from everyone. This created a lot of friction that unfortunately got out of hand, in front of many who didn't know what was happening.
As for the second issue, the different intentions each had for the Cult seemed to be an issue of lack of communication and not "malicious conspiracy." From what I've heard, apparently Jason was sold on the Cult based on a pitch from TC that presented it as something other than what Master Satanis intended. Jason wasn't trying to undermine Master Satanis's plans so much as he was unclear exactly what this plan was. I'm not sure how much TC himself may have had a false impression, or how much he put an intentional spin on his description of the Cult to sell the idea to Jason. Whatever the cause, Jason was unclear what Master Satanis had in mind and ended up inadvertently stepping on his toes.
I'd like to note that my letter was never meant to reveal what Jason was "up to all along" or to tattle on him in any way. I simply wanted to clarify the issue and make sure all sides eventually understood one another's views. Since there was a lot of miscommunication in the mix, I took on the role of a neutral mediator, gathering and reporting as accurately as possible with the hope of fostering greater understanding. I have reproduced pertinent quotes from my email to clarify my intentions: Unfortunately, it looks like compromise and reconciliation are not possible at this point. Master Satanis invited TC and Jason to return; thus far, Jason has declined. Had the lines of communication been more open and all parties had a clearer understanding of what was intended from the beginning, this may have been averted. As Master Satanis stated, this is a sad development. You may confirm your loyalty to Master Satanis as you see fit, but this rift is no cause for celebration.
Nevertheless, we will continue forth. The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die. The loss of great minds will necessitate that current Cultists step up to the plate. Remember yourself, for the Emerald Kingdom is at hand. It is up to each of us to be active, to contribute quality content, to strive towards self-improvement, and to aid one another in our personal development and service of the Cult as brothers and sisters. Don't just tell Master Satanis where your loyalties lie; actions speak louder than words. Demonstrate what you have to offer.
Hail Satanis! No man may cometh unto Yog-Sothoth, but by him.
Vanessa Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 0:09:21 GMT -6
@ nyrlthtp : I disagree with you on everything. I'll just reply on two points : Hierarchy is not RHP. Although I welcome Chaos, doing anything great (for yourself or as a community) mean a amount of organization and discipline, and it's not called "domination" And it mean a uncontested & talented Leader. The reaction of Master Satanis was not extreme, it was a strong reaction against a extreme danger : That our religion stop to exist and becoming just another Satanic Herd lost among others, loosing its originality, its strength and its soul. Maybe that's what you wish ? Awake !
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Post by ieuan on Nov 4, 2010 1:27:36 GMT -6
With respect to Nylthtp, have you ever read the Cthulhu Bible, Liber A O or the beliefs held by The Cult of Cthulhu? Your analysis of what transpired here on this thread is unwarranted, unless you have information that the rest of The Cultist are not privy too. I disagree with 99.9 percent of your analysis. I TRUST Master Satanis to Lead and Guide us without reservations. I have read The Cthulhu Bibles literature and beliefs, which I am fully immersed in and aligned with. THE CULT OF CTHULHU IS MASTER SATANIS! May your Guidance, Master Satanis deliver us from Mechanical drones of inconsequential merit!
HAIL MASTER SATANIS HAIL CULT OF CTHULHU THE CULT OF CTHULHU SHALL NEVER DIE
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by ieuan on Nov 4, 2010 2:35:19 GMT -6
In case anyone missed King's own statement of intention or Master Satanis's admonition, here is a formal announcement: Thou shalt NOT feed the troll. [/b][/u] King is trying to get a rise out of you. Ignore him. Replying is like throwing gasoline on a flame.[/size] Awake! Vanessa[/color][/quote] I agree with you Vanessa, all could see thru The Troll wanting its martyrdom. Immaturity is no excuse for buffoonery. We are all machines, deeply asleep. I believe in our Religion, The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! Hail Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Vanessa! Your wisdom is a reflection on all of us Cultist, THANK YOU! Awake! HAIL MASTER SATANIS HAIL CULT OF CTHUHLU Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 4, 2010 2:48:01 GMT -6
...doing anything great (for yourself or as a community) {means an} amount of organization and discipline, you're minimizing what is being requested, which effectively dodges the dispute in order to try to make your position more tenable. perhaps you are unfamiliar with the title, but 'Ipsissimus' is, generally speaking, the highest personal developmental level assumable in conventional Hermetic contexts. this isn't just about 'organization and discipline', since it implies the condition, character, and import of the hierarchs involved (compare the Roman Catholic Church or any other ecclesia with an exaggerated sense of themselves with respect to the cosmos). I don't mind people propping themselves up in this manner. I do it myself. yet i don't think it is fair to expect one's hierarchical underlings to capitulate to believing in it without requiring this as a precondition of their assumption of service. it instead becomes deceptive, subversive, and potentially erosive of their sovereign autonomy in the worst cultic fashion. warn them ahead, and they have no excuses. if i have misunderstood the situation as it stands, Master Satanis, please accept my apologies. I don't see that a lack of contest is applicable here in the Cult of Cthulhu. there have been several challenges to the views expressed by the High Priest and he was fine with that, and even invited it as a refining process. at best what you must be getting at is that the Loyalty Oath outlined relates to reliability and trust of an unwavering sort. to a point i see the value of this, but once one repeatedly over-rides the authority of one's subordinates in full view, after providing them insufficient guiding information about (in this case moderation) protocols, starts talking about 'undying loyalty' to oneself as their leader, providing no specifics as to what this refers, escalates oneself to a supreme Hermetic posture, explains how one knows more about the motivations and thoughts of the person to whom one is speaking than they do, and rambles dramatically before all the readers of the board about how one has unravelled their fiendish plot and witnessed how they 'sealed the fate of their immortal soul' in its attempt, i can only characterize this behaviour as domineering and manipulative, and the latter is of course extreme, regardless of whether you believe it is called for. that is obviously your fear. it does not appear to be the fear of the Dreaming Messenger of the Outer Angles boksmutanis, or the Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Apsara Kamalli, or the Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness K'ara Kaiul, or obviously of former Priest of R'lyeh Beast Xeno or forme r Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus, possibly others. please explain what gave you the impression of "extreme danger". thank you. your explanation of the situation, Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Yrreiht, is not helping me to see it more clearly. your insinuation that i may wish your religion to cease existing, lose its originality, strength, or soul, is exemplary of the problem here, and extends beyond what a K eeper of the Green Flame should be forced to endure. you fail to understand that i like High Priest Satanis' interest in rules, in civil address, and careful attention to decorum. I wanted greater specificity (in private) of what should be done where things go over the line, and didn't see that his Priests of R'lyeh were receiving the kind guidance that they needed in order to operate as he wished. you fail to understand that my characterization of High Priest Satanis' reaction as extreme is because i want him to behave as he expressed his desire that his subordinates behave, and to follow his own rules for the forum. I also want you to, so please do not insult me again in this manner. regarding becoming just another Satanic Herd lost among others, with this level of acrimonious drama amongst the administration taking place in full view of those reading and posting to the forum, i would respectfully suggest that this is likely to do far more to cause such an outcome than the grotto proposal by the former Priests of R'lyeh.
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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 4, 2010 3:17:08 GMT -6
...Your analysis of what transpired here on this thread is unwarranted, unless you have information that the rest of The Cultist are not privy too. ... I cannot say i understand your contention here at all. I gather that you disagree with me, and that's fine, though you don't make your points of disagreement clear, instead trying to prop up a fallacy about scripture and who has read and understood more. if your reading of this material is so important in revealing to you how correct you and your position are, then please quote some of it and explain how it applies to the above thread and my erroneous analysis. I would love to be instructed by your obvious full immersion experience. I'd like to also to know who you are referring to as 'Mechanical drones of inconsequential merit'. it sounds very dismissive and disrespectful and not like Master Satanis desires in the slightest. thanks.
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Post by ieuan on Nov 4, 2010 3:46:54 GMT -6
...Your analysis of what transpired here on this thread is unwarranted, unless you have information that the rest of The Cultist are not privy too. ... I cannot say i understand your contention here at all. I gather that you disagree with me, and that's fine, though you don't make your points of disagreement clear, instead trying to prop up a fallacy about scripture and who has read and understood more. if your reading of this material is so important in revealing to you how correct you and your position are, then please quote some of it and explain how it applies to the above thread and my erroneous analysis. I would love to be instructed by your obvious full immersion experience. I'd like to also to know who you are referring to as 'Mechanical drones of inconsequential merit'. it sounds very dismissive and disrespectful and not like Master Satanis desires in the slightest. thanks. I do disagree with you, and further more I will not play your game of Intellects or be responsible for propping up your ego, that would be terribly misleading of me. Thank you for your response to my post. Now is the moment of Awakening Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Jason King on Nov 4, 2010 3:52:28 GMT -6
Hey Jason King. Dont come on to the forum with your belligerent, anarchy. Which you are obviously an agent of. Obey the Forum rules. They are there to keep some sorta order. And where the FUCK! have you been anyway. Ive been waiting for months to hear from the "great Jason King" ever since I saw your Introduction video. And here you pop up with your big(stop the press!) 17th post. And I'm like "there he is". I demand to see more posts from you. I think you'd have a lot to add, but don't wanna seem like a follower. Pity. Awake! I have irons in many different fires, and I actually explained why I don't often post here on an episode of The Ooze. As for my "anarchy" and "belligerence," you must not be terribly capable of reading between the lines in my first post on this thread. The subsequent rejoinders were simply giving as I received. JK
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2010 3:53:00 GMT -6
please explain what gave you the impression of "extreme danger". thank you. [...] your insinuation that i may wish your religion to cease existing, lose its originality, strength, or soul, is exemplary of the problem here, and extends beyond what a K eeper of the Green Flame should be forced to endure. [...] so please do not insult me again in this manner. Insult ? I did not. "should be forced to endure" ... Just don't notice if I make you angry, you're right I'm only a poor little Herald at the bottom of the hierarchy. And yes it is an extreme danger : Making a division, what's more with new rules, without approval of the High Priest, is indeed extremely dangerous for the unity of the Cult. As is contesting the authority of the High Priest, as is publicly denouncing all his defects and shortcomings, real or not. Emotions are dangerous, they are faster than thoughts. Let's control ourselves, everybody... Or you could post something you will regret later. For me it's enough, I told everything, and will not reply again on this topic. Remember yourself, for the emerald kingdom is at hand.
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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 4, 2010 4:40:49 GMT -6
please explain how. cite your holy scriptures please or withdraw your assertions gracefully. you will not support your contentions or dignify me with respect during our interaction, but will continue to provide insults. understood. how did you think that this type of interaction might help the Cult of Cthulhu precisely?
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Jason King
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Post by Jason King on Nov 4, 2010 5:05:00 GMT -6
In case anyone missed King's own statement of intention or Master Satanis's admonition, here is a formal announcement: Thou shalt NOT feed the troll. [/b][/u] King is trying to get a rise out of you. Ignore him. Replying is like throwing gasoline on a flame.[/size] Awake! Vanessa[/color][/quote] I agree with you Vanessa, all could see thru The Troll wanting its martyrdom. Immaturity is no excuse for buffoonery. We are all machines, deeply asleep. I believe in our Religion, The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! Hail Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Vanessa! Your wisdom is a reflection on all of us Cultist, THANK YOU! Awake! HAIL MASTER SATANIS HAIL CULT OF CTHUHLU Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu[/quote] Awesome! I actually get to put ten more cents in my "if I had a nickel for every time I've been called a troll" fund.
"Troll" - the most overused and pointless word on the internet. The last resort of those who can't deal with getting their asses handed to them.
Fact is, you're all a bunch of worthless FOLLOWERS who need to be told what to do and think. I can scan through this thread and it becomes an excellent yardstick for separating the sheep from the wolves. Those with independence, creativity, and Will stand out against the sharp contrast of those who bow and kneel - signing their posts with Venger's dick in their mouth, pointless phrases, and worthless titles. I'm happy to stand with my true brothers on the Path - Ego Diabolus and Beast Xeno. The two of them are worth thousands of YOU.
As for Venger himself, my opinion of him has not changed, and he will continue to have my *personal* support as a manifesting brother. But, I remain a staunch critic of the particular vein of the Current he is engaging. And my "support" of the CoC will always be, as it has been up to this point, a support of HIS creative vision. Which latter I must consider separately and artistically from the emergent result, which is just the fact that I'm in a room full of clowns.
Take it as you will.
Asleep!
JK(layin' down the Hand of Pimpslappery)
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Post by nyrlthtp on Nov 4, 2010 5:07:21 GMT -6
excellent, thank you for correcting my perception. sorry if i was mistaken about the character of your expression, it seems unclear. sorry, i beg your forgiveness, but i have no idea what the rungs are, and am not on them myself. my anger would gain you no repercussion to my knowledge. plus, i am incredibly forgiving. of course that would be a problem. I don't think anyone's done that so far. perhaps you need to read more carefully. Master Satanis at one point seems to have interpreted what was posted as doing this, and i think if he read more carefully also he'd see that this is not the case. my impression is that he has been shown, at least until his extreme reaction, a great degree of respect. I cannot say the same for all the others posting to this forum, however. neither i, nor have those who agreed with the former Priests of R'lyeh as to their positions with respect to their suggestion about the heretics grotto has been shown an acceptable level of respect as dictated by Rule (Correction!!!) Guideline #4: "4. Everyone on the discussion boards is to be shown the utmost respect, consideration, and understanding... even those who would appear to be our enemy." I agree that if one is intemperate, indisciplined or cannot heed this {GUIDELINE} #4 properly, then it is better to refrain from posting or at least admit of the problem and offer an apology. it brings the whole cult down several notches otherwise, and this is why it is such a good {GUIDELINE}.
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Post by lucofthelight on Nov 4, 2010 5:51:54 GMT -6
I agree with you Vanessa, all could see thru The Troll wanting its martyrdom. Immaturity is no excuse for buffoonery. We are all machines, deeply asleep. I believe in our Religion, The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! Hail Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Vanessa! Your wisdom is a reflection on all of us Cultist, THANK YOU! Awake! HAIL MASTER SATANIS HAIL CULT OF CTHUHLU Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu Awesome! I actually get to put ten more cents in my "if I had a nickel for every time I've been called a troll" fund.
"Troll" - the most overused and pointless word on the internet. The last resort of those who can't deal with getting their asses handed to them.
Fact is, you're all a bunch of worthless FOLLOWERS who need to be told what to do and think. I can scan through this thread and it becomes an excellent yardstick for separating the sheep from the wolves. Those with independence, creativity, and Will stand out against the sharp contrast of those who bow and kneel - signing their posts with Venger's dick in their mouth, pointless phrases, and worthless titles. I'm happy to stand with my true brothers on the Path - Ego Diabolus and Beast Xeno. The two of them are worth thousands of YOU.
As for Venger himself, my opinion of him has not changed, and he will continue to have my *personal* support as a manifesting brother. But, I remain a staunch critic of the particular vein of the Current he is engaging. And my "support" of the CoC will always be, as it has been up to this point, a support of HIS creative vision. Which latter I must consider separately and artistically from the emergent result, which is just the fact that I'm in a room full of clowns.
Take it as you will.
Asleep!
JK(layin' down the Hand of Pimpslappery) Fucking awesome Mr King!!!
Words of wisdom right here!
IA IA!
KAIUL!
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Post by ragnafa on Nov 4, 2010 6:23:04 GMT -6
I really hate to see that this has got to this point, We as brothers and sisters of the CoC must stand strong. I do stand by Master Satanis always, because all I see from all these so called supporters or affiliates of the CoC is jealousy. For I don't see what any of you have done to create an Empire like Master Satanis. I might be a follower,yes but I'm a follower to a true living God like Master Satanis. This is where I stand, and will always stand.
Awake. Ia, Ia, Satanis Ia, Ia, Cthulhu fhtagn Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz.
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Jason King
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Post by Jason King on Nov 4, 2010 7:17:05 GMT -6
I really hate to see that this has got to this point, We as brothers and sisters of the CoC must stand strong. I do stand by Master Satanis always, because all I see from all these so called supporters or affiliates of the CoC is jealousy. For I don't see what any of you have done to create an Empire like Master Satanis. I might be a follower,yes but I'm a follower to a true living God like Master Satanis. This is where I stand, and will always stand.
Awake. Ia, Ia, Satanis Ia, Ia, Cthulhu fhtagn Dreaming Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Izratan'Sharaz. Repeat:
"For I don't see what any of you have done to create an Empire like Master Satanis."
Who wants an "empire"? You? Well, to quote MASTER SATANIS, "have at it, hoss."
You are the quintessential example of my disgust for those who haunt this locale. You fail even from the perspective of your very own paradigm. Think about it before you ask me to spell it out, clown . . .
When the Stars are Wrong! Ia! Ia! Deeznutsacks! Ia! Ia! Daballsacks! The Guy Who Just Took Your Lunch Money (an official CoC title) Jason King
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Nov 4, 2010 7:33:12 GMT -6
JK, Take my lunch money lol. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn Attachments:
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Jason King
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Post by Jason King on Nov 4, 2010 7:42:16 GMT -6
Take my lunch money. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn Why should I take it when you've already freely given it to me? Here's a word: metaphor. Go look it up and get back to me. Asleep! Ia! Ia! Hogotpimped! p.s. your "I'm a wannabe wrestler" icon impresses nobody. Learn how to take a fall, chump . . . 9of9
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Nov 4, 2010 7:45:37 GMT -6
Take my lunch money. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn Why should I take it when you've already freely given it to me? Here's a word: metaphor. Go look it up and get back to me. Asleep! Ia! Ia! Hogotpimped! p.s. your "I'm a wannabe wrestler" icon impresses nobody. Learn how to take a fall, chump . . . 9of9 Look everyone...... Andy Kaufman lives lol. You need to work on your delivery abit. Your title is The Guy Who Takes Your Lunch Money, right? Then come and get it lol. Don't be hatin. lol. What you wanna be? You're a never-was, thats far worse than a wanna-be or a has-been. Its been fun lol. Maybe we could do a boxing match for charity or for the CoC, money could be used for the CoC Calender. All jokes aside, I like havin you on here. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by Jason King on Nov 4, 2010 8:10:44 GMT -6
Why should I take it when you've already freely given it to me? Here's a word: metaphor. Go look it up and get back to me. Asleep! Ia! Ia! Hogotpimped! p.s. your "I'm a wannabe wrestler" icon impresses nobody. Learn how to take a fall, chump . . . 9of9 Your like those geeky managers. Look everyone Andy Kaufman lives lol. You need to work on your delivery abit. Your title is The Guy Who Takes Your Lunch Money, right? Then come and get it lol. Don't be hatin. Lol Dude, it's really simple, pay attention. I've posted to you twice on this thread. Both times, you've changed your profile pic in direct response. That (among many other things) makes you the puppet here. Don't dare me to do what's already been done (except for the simple fact that you were too retarded to notice). NEXT! And for all FUCK'S sake, give me a worthy challenge this time . . . Ass, Names . . . you know the drill. This is what I do, I'll get modded before I get beaten in any type of exchange with the likes of the jokers here. Mark that. JK
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Nov 4, 2010 8:28:45 GMT -6
Your like those geeky managers. Look everyone Andy Kaufman lives lol. You need to work on your delivery abit. Your title is The Guy Who Takes Your Lunch Money, right? Then come and get it lol. Don't be hatin. Lol Dude, it's really simple, pay attention. I've posted to you twice on this thread. Both times, you've changed your profile pic in direct response. That (among many other things) makes you the puppet here. Don't dare me to do what's already been done (except for the simple fact that you were too retarded to notice). NEXT! And for all FUCK'S sake, give me a worthy challenge this time . . . Ass, Names . . . you know the drill. This is what I do, I'll get modded before I get beaten in any type of exchange with the likes of the jokers here. Mark that. JK We'll do a boxing match, and I for sure will........MARK THAT. I'm moving on from this thread. Had my fun, others can enjoy now lol. Great to have the infamous JK here! p.s. by the way I didn't change my profile pic twice, maybe take your sunglasses off. Your future isn't so bright, that you have to wear shades. Thats for damn sure lol. Awake! Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by xiaogui17 on Nov 4, 2010 8:40:08 GMT -6
Yo, let me reiterate because some seem to have missed the point: Don't respond to King.[/u][/i] This thread is over and we need to stop beating a dead horse. If you react to someone who's trying to get your goat, he's won by default just because you responded. Don't want King to win? Then stop replying to him. Whether or not he is a troll is a moot point. When someone explicitly states he's here only to stir up a shit-storm, he is, by definition, trollin'. You don't defeat King's statements by taunting him; you defeat him by not playing his game.
Remember yourself, for the Emerald Kingdom is at hand. (And take a second to think about what remembering yourself really means.) Vanessa Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu[/size][/color]
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Nov 4, 2010 8:45:37 GMT -6
Thanks Wizard Vanessa. Was having alittle fun with JK. I understand he's a friend of Master Satanis, so I wanted to have some fun with him.Also stand up for my Brothers and Sisters on here.
Had some good laughs, much needed on here as of late. I understand why he's here and what he is doing. I also understand he has much information, he's a smart guy, not just a smart ass. I kinda like his style. No disrespect to anyone on here whatsoever. So on to more important issues.
Awake!
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by tentaclednephilim on Nov 4, 2010 10:15:25 GMT -6
I think I've seen enough here. Out of respect, I won't be posting what I really think about the majority of the content in this thread.
Per my introductory post, I have given what I can to the CoC and received enough to be satisfied.
To this end, I have decided not to post here anymore. I might visit to see how things are going, but I won't likely post anymore.
One more thought: Whether or not Jason King's statements are inflammatory, one would be wise not to completely disregard everything he says. There's a very good reason he and High Priest Satanis consider each other brothers manifesting their Will.
Fellow travelers, I continue on my journey.
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 4, 2010 10:44:48 GMT -6
Yo, let me reiterate because some seem to have missed the point: Don't respond to King. [/u][/i] This thread is over and we need to stop beating a dead horse. If you react to someone who's trying to get your goat, he's won by default just because you responded. Don't want King to win? Then stop replying to him. Whether or not he is a troll is a moot point. When someone explicitly states he's here only to stir up a shit-storm, he is, by definition, trollin'. You don't defeat King's statements by taunting him; you defeat him by not playing his game. Remember yourself, for the Emerald Kingdom is at hand. (And take a second to think about what remembering yourself really means.) Vanessa Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu[/size][/color][/quote] I totally agree. Awake!
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Post by Jason King on Nov 4, 2010 12:31:52 GMT -6
Yo, let me reiterate because some seem to have missed the point: Don't respond to King. [/u][/i] This thread is over and we need to stop beating a dead horse. If you react to someone who's trying to get your goat, he's won by default just because you responded. Don't want King to win? Then stop replying to him. Whether or not he is a troll is a moot point. When someone explicitly states he's here only to stir up a shit-storm, he is, by definition, trollin'. You don't defeat King's statements by taunting him; you defeat him by not playing his game. Remember yourself, for the Emerald Kingdom is at hand. (And take a second to think about what remembering yourself really means.) Vanessa Esoteric Wizard of the Terrible Darkness Cult of Cthulhu[/size][/color][/quote] The REALLY BIG FONT didn't work the last time, so let's try it again. Pay attention, kiddies, you're being told what to do. NOW DO IT!
JK
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 4, 2010 13:30:19 GMT -6
To nyrlthtp...
When Brother Talek was mentioning reading my books, scriptures, etc. I think he was referring to my assertions that I have an unholy mission, an eldritch mandate, and belief that I am the one to whom the Great Old Ones speak and through me they communicate to the world.
Therefore, the degree of Ipsissimus, as you correctly defined, is warranted. I decided to wait until the time was right before conferring upon myself such a rank. I do not take it lightly. On January 1st 2011, I will ascend as Ipsissimus of the Cthulhu Cult.
If you remember, nyrlthtp, I gave you a chance to be an official member of the CoC Priesthood. In hindsight, I believe you could have helped me avoid any possible mistakes in dealing with Jason Sorrell and T.C. if you had accepted the post. However, I understood your reluctance to make such a commitment then just as I understand it now.
As far as the rhp versus LHP goes, the essence of my struggle is this. The universe would have us remain slaves. I would have us be closer to Gods. The CoC is a unit of highly trained warriors, still in training mind you. Yes, I'm the leader, the boss. I have to be. Otherwise, people get killed and we lose the struggle - humanity becomes further enslaved. If you want to relate my analogy to Jack Nicholson's character in A Few Good Men, then be my guest.
In the Fourth Way, we strive to reach a place where our machine is directed by a singular 'I', a Master 'I'. I intend to be that Master 'I' within the Cult of Cthulhu. I try to rule as benevolently and fairly as I can, with my chief aim to Awaken humanity. My leadership may not be perfect, but has progress in people's lives been made? That is the real question.
Within this thread, I'm allowing a bit more leniency when it comes to arguing, disputes, disrespect, and negative emotions. This might just be the Cult's darkest hour. I'd like to see slack cut. However, Jason King, while I value you and your wisdom, you are also not above the new guidelines and rules of this forum. This is an official warning to you, JK. You have badmouthed, insulted, name called, and belittled several people on this forum with flagrant contempt for me and the CoC as a whole. You too had an opportunity to work with me. What can I say to you at this point, man? Lead, follow, or get the Hell out of the way? I don't want to be a dictator or tyrant, but I won't allow disorder to destroy our unity or our highest aspirations!
I also know the worth of Jason and T.C.; nevertheless, you don't repeatedly fuck with the leader. Especially one who has your best interests at heart. I still have no proof that one or both of the former Priests of R'lyeh weren't planning to depose me or worse... to pervert the CoC into something like a contemporary Church of Satan (God help us all). My gut feeling told me that betrayal was afoot. All I have now is an admission of incongruancy, which in itself, is reason enough to find a replacement for those who cannot abide our conscious direction.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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