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Post by lunafemme on Feb 22, 2010 15:42:18 GMT -6
It is all in what you make it. If the zombie you are using in ritual sex magick is unaware of your magical intentions then you will have no adverse side effects against your working. However, it seems that it would be very difficult to get a powerful effect when the person is not focusing on the intent at hand. Too much interference on their part. The best thing to do would be just to enjoy yourself when it comes to your sexlife, and find another avenue for your work. If you do find a female that is able to perform the necessary concentration required, than by all means, have at it.
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Feb 25, 2010 16:48:26 GMT -6
Unlike ritual murder, the victim of ritual sex would be alive and be able to warp the energy of the ritual. There are less dangerous and more beneficial ways.
In this day, for us to condone ritual or any rape would be to invite a witch hunt. How many of us have no fear of being burnt?
In our future, I hope none of us would be so shallow as to condemn another child of the Old Ones over a matter of religious ignorance. You, who would enslave or rape, think carefully to how our Dread Lord will see you through his sea soaked eyes.
Degeneration and rape of opposed faith is something seen in the Christian Crusades or Islamic Jihad. Yawhey is a rapist and will condone such things of his ignorant followers. Those to whom we pay respects inspire a more subtle terror. They don't rape virgins or have harems. They rape reality and abuse sanity.
Spirits of the Sea remember!
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Post by 10kdays on Feb 27, 2010 16:44:08 GMT -6
Funny, is it not? We of the occult sciences are condemned in the public religions, yet it is they who have consistently set the human race back with meaningless wars and absurd genocides, not to mention rape of the opposing religions. Would that the Old Ones rise and show them the errors of their ways! All things to their time, though...
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Post by eurusra on Mar 15, 2010 13:49:41 GMT -6
I will say this...
those who practice magick are moraly bound to magickal laws and those who practice the mundane are moraly bound to the laws of mundane
so what may be broken law to one may be permitted law to another
just as free churches arent goverened by any state federal or civil laws we do what we will of the whole law
and those churches who are goverened by the state,federal and civil laws,they have boundaries and are not welcomed to do as they will but to only do so as the state,federal and civil authorizes them
this is just an example.
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Post by Serbahk Nect on Jun 5, 2010 12:11:56 GMT -6
I am thankful that someone added this thread because one of my biggest issues with the Cult of Cthulhu was its view on sexual behaviour (other than polygamy). For me rape is rape in many different forms but as far as sexual rape goes it is, in my opinion because I can't force anyone to believe anything, WRONG! Ok, maybe "wrong" was the worst word to use. Lets say un-righteous or maybe un-fruitful even though the rapist would be getting sex but for the most part they are simply feeding their insecurit(ies)y. It is possible for the rapist/magickian to forcefully have sex with a clear mind, no insecurities. This would be ok? You have to think of the other person as well I would say but that would be like trying to get an atheist to convert to christianity! I think possibly for me rape may not affect my conscience if the person did something horrible to me and in that moment of un-feeling towards the person I could but then again we are talking about rape in sex magick. I may still be able to see fit to it even though I am against rape and so is my religion.
Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jun 5, 2010 22:24:28 GMT -6
While rape may heighten your senses and create a chemical-altering adrenaline rush, it would deter from the focused energy of the ritual itself. Your focus would be shifted into control of the situation and (probably) not getting caught. Since sexual magick is supposed to be more about the ritual at hand rather than the pleasure of the sex act, rape seems counter-productive.
I believe that the more connected you are to the person you are doing the spell with, the more powerful the energy and outcome will be. Imagine two people that meet in a bar, and one of them using the one-night stand sexual encounter for ritual purposes. While this can fulfill the "requirement" of the ritual, the outcome will only be as strong and focused as that one person can let it be since there are so many other factors that would limit their focus, i.e. "Does he like that," "What should I do next," or "I haven't had sex in several months, and I hope I don't cum too quickly."
Now, imagine a couple that has been together for 10 years, both journeying down similar spiritual paths, coming together with the heightened intention of the ritual outcome as center focus. They will have the advantage of already knowing each others' body, knowing what is generally enjoyed by the other person, and how to get each other to a state of complete arousal without much actual focused thought about it. This will allow them to each keep the focus of the ritual at the forefront of their minds, while building up the energy between them. Sexual magick is can be very powerful, and even more so between two people that are connected and consenting.
Awake!
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Post by Jason King on Jun 6, 2010 6:37:16 GMT -6
If during the time of our rule. what if a practicing mage wishes to partake in ritual sex. however there is by some situation no other magicians around. so he takes a non-member and uses them, against their will, making it rape. I think you misunderstand a great many things. Not the least of which being the nature of the potency of sex magick. If WILL is the driving force, then how can will vs. will produce results? It is the synergy which empowers Tantric practice, not the act in and of itself.
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 15, 2010 15:17:00 GMT -6
This thread has been one of the funniest & enlightening threads Ive read yet. I love it! How important it is to cross the bridge when presented with it.
As for Rape. Well, It seems counter to the self journey. It cant be good to acquaint ones self with rituals that are contingent on other people playing rolls:) Although there are a lot of people on the planet.
Awake!
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Post by fraternicht on Oct 31, 2010 11:28:11 GMT -6
Hmmm, according to the sources I have read if a person is not actively involved in the sex magick (as in they know whats going on) it will not be effective. Although I wouldn't say it's rape or anything. Just my opinion Hopefully it was helpful I have used sex magic in the past without the person even being aware that I was utilizing their flesh as a vessel for my work. A stranger brought into your room or ritual chamber with a sigil on the wall beside them - as an example - can be useful for taking full advantage of their body as a tool for work. They benefit hugely by being sexually stimulated, so they get something out of it. When you are fucking someone, normally they just want to get off and they are unaware of your true intention, and probably don’t care as long as they get off. That being said, their orgasm can be high jacked and utilized to charge your desired will as well, but that is another topic. Not trying to deviate from the topic, but this persons comment stuck out as something I needed to post about.
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Post by thebloodbrew on Nov 11, 2010 11:51:13 GMT -6
The purpose for sex magic is to alter you state of consciousness, as well as release a large amount of energy at a simultaneous climax. Fear does not lead to a sexual orgasm, though it is very sexually stimulating ;D If one is awakened and has control of their consciousness, then what is the purpose of sex magic? You can alter your consciousness at will, right? And an unwilling partner will not produce the climax you need, you might as well masturbate on your alter without the useless third wheel. Also, as far as using the bioelectric energy of a dying animal... Anton Lavey said that it was far more effective to use masturbation, and since the intent can be directed, it was much more powerful and could be repeated with expectedly similar results. In addition, if there is ANY god that needs a sacrifice, it is not worth my spittle let alone my attention. Indeed, there may be truly powerful gods out there, but the only one I aim to please is myself. This is not the RHP. Thou shall not serve!
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Post by raygunnz171 on Nov 18, 2010 23:39:12 GMT -6
I say whatever is necessary to show them the way and to AWAKEN! That is if they are part of the Right Handed Path herd.
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Post by lokidreaming on Dec 9, 2010 5:45:59 GMT -6
1) If its suprise sex, then its not rape. 2) Some people are willing and gagging for you to kidnap and rape due to their BDSM intersts.
Belief IS Reality LOKI DREAMING
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