|
Post by saxo on May 1, 2008 17:01:25 GMT -6
The true human sacrifice Isn't with blood, flesh and death. But with our lives of hard study to get more powerful. So human sacrifice don't make us more powerful, but years of hard work and study do it.
|
|
|
Post by martin on May 2, 2008 15:39:22 GMT -6
I agree that toil is the most important sacrifice we can use to grow as individuals. And I do question the need for human sacrifice. I wonder about the mental state of people who habitually use self-harm as a magical tool. And despite my flippancy about a final solution for certain elements in society lets look at the world. Human sacrifice is what its built on. State and church sacrifice hundreds of people each day to gain and maintain power and crush the individual's growth. Crowley predicted 1914 as the beginning of a new age. Could such a sacrifice/ slaughter/ cull be the beginning of the Emerald Age? Maybe after a bit of a rethink Human sacrifice ain't so bad!
|
|
|
Post by hiqconsoul on May 10, 2008 16:45:34 GMT -6
while only having read the first half page of this thread I will say this.. if you feel the need to sacrifice to prove yourself worthy - you are not worthy.. worth is to me a birthgiven right.. *starts doing pushups* (sacrifice here being defined as ritual killing of an innocent or loved one)
Well i just placed my order of the COC Bible Today on Amazon.com But on the question of Human Sacrifice, i am all for it. Although i have never killed a human before, i would not have any problem to do so. Whatever the Gods or the Ancients wants as their wish is my command. Hail Satan ! Lady Satanica Theistic Satanist ok so now explain how you are not a good obedient slave?..
|
|
|
Post by sin on May 14, 2008 11:51:37 GMT -6
oops, i guess it was India. whatever...
VSThat poor baby, they should just put it out of its misery.
|
|
|
Post by hiqconsoul on May 15, 2008 1:45:05 GMT -6
oops, i guess it was India. whatever...
VSThat poor baby, they should just put it out of its misery. not a chance, it's property of the NWO .. it must be tested and experimented with. ... but yea being honest I gotta say if they can't give it a good life they shouldnt torture the thing...
|
|
|
Post by sin on May 15, 2008 7:56:01 GMT -6
I just read an article that was an update on the baby, who is now named "LALI"; they believe she is the reincarnation of Durga (I read an earlier report that said she was Ganesh). They are building a temple dedicated to Durga in the village, the government continues to fund Lali's care.
Talk about superstitious nonsense. Obviously, the baby has a medical condition but people immediately believe she's a reincarnated Goddess? What kind of life is that for LALI? She will be loved superficially, as a Goddess and not for just being LALI. Not to mention, the progression of dis-figuration she'll be challenged with as she grows up. Poor kid.
|
|
|
Post by Logan on Jul 3, 2008 3:12:53 GMT -6
I don't think that any human has the right to take the life of another. There's always someone who would grief. If you're so much into sacrificing, go ahead and throw yourself into a volcano.
|
|
Madguten
Moderator
CoC forum moderator
Woe, to he who hears the howling
Posts: 2,785
|
Post by Madguten on Jul 3, 2008 8:42:34 GMT -6
ha ha ha ;D just might, lol
Seriously though, ritual sacrifice is a natural phenomena in my opinion. It is one of the ways we reflect the wisdom/folly of the universe of multiverses.
I can totally see why people trip over it when they read it, but the CC bible clearly states that only when todays law against it has been done away with, only then does the cult accept it. The organization does NOT condole criminal actions.
Believe me, then, at that time, with strange eons, human sacrifice will not seem as terrible as it does now, there will be a new perspective resulting from the wake of the Dread One.
People kill people, period.
Always have, always will, period.
Life eats life to live.
Cannibalism is also a natural phenomena.
|
|
|
Post by Logos on Jul 3, 2008 16:49:03 GMT -6
I prefer the LaVey perspective on human sacrifice. Magical sacrifice, like the giving of the self to the Self, is stronger than any physical sacrifice ever could be. I see two reasons why those on the LHP should avoid physical sacrifice:
I. It would make us just as bad as the Judeo-Christians. We see references to both animal sacrifice (Leviticus and Numbers for example) and the human sacrificial practice sometimes known as the "sacrifice of the first fruit" (Genesis) in their "holy books". Furthermore, to simply kill those who we disagree with would make us no better than the pathetic Catholics and Christians of the crusades.
II. It would dilute the LHP. If members of the LHP adopt a system that requires regular human (or animal) sacrifice, then we would become dependent on the natural world for our Work. How are we going to become like the Alien God if we constantly need resources from this objective world? Furthermore, such practices may end up attracting mentally unfit and weak individuals who would only dumb down our traditions, not to mention also probably convert a certain number of RHP kiddies as well.
Now, in regards to human sacrifice in the complex Pagan societies. These sacrifices were just as important to the mundane functioning of society as it were to the esoteric groups of said society. The Germanic tribes would sacrifice humans, but usually as a form of legal punishment or to rid themselves of POWs. When it came to animal sacrifice, said tribes would almost always consume the meat of the animal leaving nothing to waste. Mesoamerican societies followed a very similar sacrificial structure as well.
|
|
Madguten
Moderator
CoC forum moderator
Woe, to he who hears the howling
Posts: 2,785
|
Post by Madguten on Jul 3, 2008 17:45:19 GMT -6
First of all, great post. You touched deeper and better than i. In regard to animal sacrifice i lean to the site that the animal should not be killed for the sake of the ritual. In this scenario the sacrifice would be; offering things in a very unselfish matter, often giving away things that one could really use, offering these things for the sake of spirituality. Because we are (a tiny bit) more than beasts. It is as foolish as it is wise. The other scenario, taking an animals life for the sake of ritual. That is another magic (in my eyes). It is an infinitely more dark and cold, death magic even. I aim to not opening THAT pandoras box. My instincts aim away from finding joy in reaping without need. Still i understand that others feel different. Thus is nature. But what I think means nothing in regards to our own nature as a race. We do not choose to do these things (as a race), it is in us to do so. (i think) Its in us to NOT do so, but it is also in us TO DO. As above so below, As high the peaks as low the valleys.As for human sacrifice. (i have been writing and deleting because i cannot think of anything that does not make me sound like an axe wielding murderer, its late here, perhaps tomorrow I am really NOT an unstable violent dude, really ;D
|
|
|
Post by kadaath on Jul 4, 2008 4:56:17 GMT -6
I just read an article that was an update on the baby, who is now named "LALI"; they believe she is the reincarnation of Durga (I read an earlier report that said she was Ganesh). They are building a temple dedicated to Durga in the village, the government continues to fund Lali's care. Talk about superstitious nonsense. Obviously, the baby has a medical condition but people immediately believe she's a reincarnated Goddess? What kind of life is that for LALI? She will be loved superficially, as a Goddess and not for just being LALI. Not to mention, the progression of dis-figuration she'll be challenged with as she grows up. Poor kid. I agree completely.I don't say, however, that euthanasia is the best outcome, but imagine how the other kids will treat the poor thing, surely not as a goddess.And what if some tempest or famine or flod will hit the village, and the peasants will think that Lali has not offered them protection?Will they kill her then?
|
|
|
Post by kadaath on Jul 4, 2008 5:13:39 GMT -6
The other scenario, taking an animals life for the sake of ritual. That is another magic (in my eyes). It is an infinitely more dark and cold, death magic even. I aim to not opening THAT pandoras box. My instincts aim away from finding joy in reaping without need. Still i understand that others feel different. Thus is nature.
But what I think means nothing in regards to our own nature as a race. We do not choose to do these things (as a race), it is in us to do so. (i think)
Its in us to NOT do so, but it is also in us TO DO.
As above so below, As high the peaks as low the valleys.
As for human sacrifice.
(i have been writing and deleting because i cannot think of anything that does not make me sound like an axe wielding murderer, its late here, perhaps tomorrow
I am really NOT an unstable violent dude, really ;DNo, of course you're not. As for the topic, I do not encourage any sacrifice whatsoever.In turn of my offices in organisations I represent and study in, blood sacrifice of any kind involving another living being is strictly forbidden and implies, if committed, prompt expulsion from the Orders. Why is this so?Firstly, because one has not the right to take another beings life, and secondly, because +Hierophnat Michael Bertiaux has sadi, and I agree completely, that sacrificing another being or thing means that you have not or cannot express your energetic potential and can't focus your mind, will and energy to obtain a goal. Another thing is that blood magic of any kind is very, very dangerous since it works with you life-fluid, and you must be very experienced and know EXACTLY why and what you're doing.This means working with your own blood, of course.
|
|
|
Post by m2alik on Jul 15, 2008 16:35:24 GMT -6
;D ;D ;DMy personal opinion I think human sacrifice literally should be practiced. TOOO MANY DESERVING VICTIMS. Plus I HATE when magic fails. Id rather do it literally.
|
|
|
Post by servantofazathoth on Jul 15, 2008 19:20:19 GMT -6
According to ancient texts, it is very dangerous to perform human sacrifice. But if a person was to attempt it, the ancient texts state that several requirements have to be fulfilled. Not just one or two of them but all of them.
1.) The person has to be chosen by the god he or she is being sacrificed to. (No, not the High Priest. Only the gods are allowed to make this choice. Chances are that if the High Priest made the choice instead of the gods, then the gods would be extremely pissed. So I wouldn't try it if I was you.). 2.) The person has to be in perfect mental, spiritual, and physical health. 3.) The person must be at least 21 years old and not a Xian. 4.) The person must be completely pure and a virgin.
Good luck finding one person who meets all of those requirements. Because I doubt that you will find anyone who meets that last one.
|
|
|
Post by m2alik on Jul 15, 2008 20:39:56 GMT -6
;D :oPersonally I agree with Madguten on this issue.
|
|
|
Post by I AM the Way on Jul 15, 2008 21:09:04 GMT -6
ancient? perhaps. bogus? most definitely. #3 in particular should clue you in as to the validity of this human sacrifice wish list.
when human sacrifice is legal, we shall have daily exterminations. or possibly by that time the world will be a gloriously green utopia where such things are unnecessary? time will tell...
VS
|
|
Madguten
Moderator
CoC forum moderator
Woe, to he who hears the howling
Posts: 2,785
|
Post by Madguten on Jul 16, 2008 3:54:47 GMT -6
More thoughts on Human Sacrifice....
I am very light and kind (or try to be) in my approach to life (this is relative of course). Some might say that i am a horrible satanist in that particular regard. I could be far far darker and more uncompromising than i am now, it is in me to be so, it is also in me TO NOT, lol My personal stand on violence in this day and age is still that i shall ONLY use it as a DIRECT SELF DEFENSE out of necessity. I aim toward not using it.
BUT
Even though i am in part a simple beast. Then still, if i was ruthlessly hunted for my life, the hunters soul would perhaps be sent to the abyss in shreds, along with his or her flesh. I would always run and run, and avoid and hide. Thus is the nature of the purple fox tribe (or, thus is part of my nature).
But the humble worm is also a yellow dragon.
As high the peaks as low the valleys As above, so below
My kill is mine. I own both flesh, blood, soul and essence of the prey. If i should choose to give any of these away (or offer them), i shall do so. (Still ONLY If i was TRULY FORCED TO kill. I cannot stress enough HOW LITTLE this Human Sacrifice thing applies to our day and age. I simply have to say that i do not condole illegal and dangerous acts, neither does the cult. I think (perhaps) that one of the reasons human sacrifice is in the CC bible is because the book is not only for this world, thought-pattern, time, dimension, you-name-it. It is larger than that.)
I think that my personal standpoint on the subject is not a violent one. I believe that it is a primal issue.
Have you seen a predator (like the lion), guarding its kill? Have you seen how reluctant they usually are to give it away. I say, killing should be done out of necessity and offering should be done NOT out of necessity.
And again. I am NOT Gregory Despres ;D
i am very still.
Productivity instead of destruction is the path i aim towards.
|
|
|
Post by lady666satanica on Jul 31, 2008 18:05:47 GMT -6
I say anyone who stands in our way, or tries to stop us when the time comes, will be our enemies. So yes human sacrifice will be a good thing, to feed the Gods, and make the Great old ones, strong again.
|
|
|
Post by sin on Dec 2, 2008 13:21:12 GMT -6
I volunteer all the stupid people. {I decide who is stupid by the way}
|
|
|
Post by LostSoul on Jun 3, 2009 11:30:23 GMT -6
To me...
Human sacrifice is just that...A sacrifice. The giving up of something precisous and dear, to the person, or persons involved(To kill prisoners; virgins; or what ever; better serves the person doing the sacrificing; than for what the sacrifice was meant for...And, in my opinion, lessens the final meaning of the event).
I can only see a human sacrifice happening for two reasons:
1) In tribute to the gods. It was a way to thank them for what gifts they given us(The story of Jephthah, from the Old Testament book of Judges, is perhaps the most perfect example. A man, Jephthah, in gratitude for "God's" help in defeating the enemy; vowed to sacrifice the first thing he sees when he comes home; but, it's his only daughter that greets him first. Despite the love his has for his daughter; she reminds him of his vow; and so, is sacrificed.); in the greatest way imaginable. Or, as response to the loss we have faced from the gods. When so much has been taking from an individual; or a community; a balanced must be restored(The classic movie, "The Wicker Man" is a prime example of such restored balanced).
Such sacrifices must be made from willing individuals; individuals of value and respect; if their sacrifice is to mean anything.
2)In the name of magicks. The taking of a life; the releasing of that soul's energy and power in a single, and mighty explosion; and the magickian using that power and energy to conduct a ritual to bring about massive or deeply meanful change.
Again, only a willing and valued individual could ever be used.
For, if it's to mean anything; it has to be a sacrifice; by both the sacrificer; and the sacrificee. Anything else, would be simply murder; and, murders are a dime a dozen. Sacrifice, on the other hand; has a significance that cannot be meausred in mere words.
But, of course, this is a moot point. For the taking of a life; in any fashion; is considered both a crime; and/or a cultural stigma.
Still, hypothetically speaking...The sacrifice of a human life to the gods or magicks; is nothing to be taking lightly...
Just this lay person's humble opinion...
|
|
|
Post by carnalkiller9 on Jun 4, 2009 15:47:34 GMT -6
Hi to all fellow Cultists. I got my copy of Cthulhu Cult yesterday, and just couldn't put it down, what an awesome read. I was wondering about something. When the Cult of Cthulhu takes over the world, they speak of implementing human sacrifice, simmilar to the old ways of the Maya. Maybe im just too conditioned by the "christian" ways, but I really have no need to "physically" kill a person, and at the moment I don't believe I have the stomach either. Would this be considered a weakness in the Cult, or are my talents better suited elsewhere in service of the Gods? What are your thoughts on Human Sacrifice? I'm not going to lie i will kill and kill very easily when faced with that decision but magickwise you realy don't need to physicly kill anyone
|
|
|
Post by whatsupable on Jun 6, 2009 6:57:39 GMT -6
well my thougths on it
if u wish to please or let them see you like them use a bit of your OWN blood. because it shows you are willing to give a bit of your live to them
but i see a human sacrifes as letting a lot of energy free like a orgasm because you get rid of someone you don't like. to the point if killing is good or bad is to yourself and it doesn't care in the end. self i wished i could kill someone but i didn't do it because it will get me in jail. (ofcoures trying to kill whit magic is a opion)
hope it make sence to some ;D
|
|
|
Post by LostSoul on Jun 15, 2009 6:55:07 GMT -6
well my thougths on it if u wish to please or let them see you like them use a bit of your OWN blood. because it shows you are willing to give a bit of your live to them Agreed...Use of your own blood in Magicks is very symbolic of your dedication to the craft. As would be the blood of another who is equally committed. My point exactly! Again, my point. There is that thing we call the law. I hope that you do realize that that kind of dark magicks can have consequences; so, you would want to be careful of any backfire... Well, I got most of it...
|
|