lvthn
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Post by lvthn on Mar 12, 2008 0:23:14 GMT -6
My feelings on this.
I beleive the sacrifice of a person that cant think for themselves should not be done, for example, infant's, mentaly ill, or animals as we dont know what they are thinking. But somone from the outside that is mocking and desicrating your beliefs should be delt with.
Killing does not phase me in the slightest as i would definatly do it if need be, if there was no law maybe even for fun. But i wouldnt just go round killing without cause.
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Post by jameson on Mar 12, 2008 3:06:55 GMT -6
I have a question though.Waht of self sacrifice?Would you be a willing sacrifice in a working either in a group or alone if you knew it could bring about a magnificent change.
Say you are guaranteed another shot at life after or a blissful eternity with Satan,would you do it?
Personally it depends on what it is...With nothing against suicidal feelings,I probably would or wouldn't be a (virgin-pun intended) sacrifice.Its 50/50 at this point.
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Mar 12, 2008 10:45:27 GMT -6
Read about Norse/Germanic mythology and magick, folks. In old times sacrifice used to be everywhere. When people went to battle they used to dedicate the soon-to-be-slain enemies to Odin as sacrifice. And Odin became what he is because of his self-sacrifice, hanging from the Tree for nine days and giving his other eye to the Well of Mimir. This is very important for the magician to understand. (Equally important, for the male practitioner at least, is that Odin got a great part of his knowledge and power from females.) Freya Aswynn also mentions a "hanging-and-stabbing" sacrifice in which a person was, well, hung from somewhere and then stabbed repeatedly while shouting "May Odin claim you!" or something like that. I'm not sure to whom this was done or why. If human sacrifice were to be applied on a massive global scale (without resorting to nuclear/chemical/biological weapons which destroy the environment), and it would be in the billions, I'd gladly volunteer to be the first one if it meant 90-99% of humanity would die. "Save the planet, kill yourself" they say. www.vhemt.org
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 12, 2008 10:53:23 GMT -6
indeed, human sacrifice by black magic will have to suffice until we change the laws of the land.
let's go over the reasons for destruction...
1. ego. when a magician wants someone destroyed because they have offended, angered, or wronged him in some way... that is ego.
2. self defense. when a magician feels threatened by another and employs the black arts to destroy... that is self defense.
3. fruitfulness (fruitility?). when a magician uses destruction to make life more productive for himself or others... that is fruitility.
for instance, if sorcery was used to purge a city of pedophiles, it would be ego related if a pedophile had tried (or succeeded) to abuse your child. secondly, it would be self defense related if you had a child or knew a child that needed protection from a pedophile's attack. finally, it would be fruitful if you used magic to destroy the city's pedophiles just because it would improve conditions for those who reside there.
before employing the darkest magic, think about why you are doing such things.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Mar 12, 2008 11:32:17 GMT -6
I wonder how one would dedicate all those dying around the world for whatever reasons, to a deity as sacrifice. Without bothering about the actual killing as plenty of it happens already.
With the deity I mean the Old Ones of course.
Could be useful, though they probably already leech on all the power in this world they can (and others) using whatever hidden and hideous methods they might have. Concentrating on killing yourself (by which I mean the process of initiation) instead of others is more important from their perspective too I guess...
But weren't the Old Ones quite fond of blood sacrifice and pain in general? I'd suppose they are quite hungry now that they have been away for a while.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Mar 12, 2008 16:54:12 GMT -6
If it was garunteed then yes. I would sacrifice myself, however i kow that in spllcraft nothing can be certain.
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Suggestions on human sacrifice
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Post by Suggestions on human sacrifice on Mar 23, 2008 2:57:24 GMT -6
Its understandable, I do believe in human sacrifice of those who would deserve it, and I agree on what Venger Satanis said.BUT I think our enemies (which the world hates our kind, the dark and forbidden) would in a heart beat destroy us if they could just like the old times, OR they will try relentlessly at no thought of freedom ...try and try to convert us. Convert to what? slave morality of goodness,purity and all that other bullshit? I can tell you from experience if there were no freakin laws about "culling" another human being.My choices of sacrifice would be my enemies... I would NEVER sacrifice a child OR animals or my close faimly members, because the childern are OUR future and if we could get our Word out there, and childern want to learn it...then I guess it will be a good idea to refrain from sacrificing childern.. As for animals, they provide a great pleasure and company for me,which I enjoy more than the company of incompotent humans As far as family go..well..they never for once have tried to push their religion or whatever ..on me. Although it does make me sad because they dont even know the Truth themselves.But they are going to remain ignorant of it.
So NO i dont consider not having the guts to sacrifice a human being a "weakness" but it is a conditioned programming, by the nazarene way of teaching about "compassion", mercy ...I mean all those compassionate,merciful people and all of them...what better place is this world in? ....i mean...really LOOK.. it really hasnt got anyone anywhere...
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Mar 23, 2008 4:02:44 GMT -6
I didnt even know I wasnt signed in, ...lol I feel like an idiot...I posted on the "suggestions of human sacrifice" thingy
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Post by jameson on Mar 23, 2008 5:30:54 GMT -6
But in terms of animals...don't we already sacrifice them for food?That steak dinner or turkey on your plate is made up of all animals unwillingly slaughtered.
Now I am no vegetarian,body goes haywire without meat,however,would it make sense to consider our food a sacrifice to ourselves then (in some self deitified manner)?I have no intention going veg but I find it may be interesting to play with the idea of animals having been sacrificed for more than simply my survival.
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Mar 23, 2008 12:19:05 GMT -6
I should be more specific about animals, the sacrifice I was talking about was killing for "pleasure"..now, I am not talking about sacrificing animals like pets, such as cats,dogs,or you know that type of thing, .....I follow a motto though
" Do kill animals unless attacked or for food" but that is self defense and survival ..not sacrifice.
"sacrificing" animals IS based is from that foul Jehovah in the bible, he never ever demands human sacrifice...(except that test when he told his disciple to sacrifice his son) or whatever So I guess I am trying to say that I view a sacrifice as to "appease"the "gods" type of thing is what I am against or something like it
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Post by luxcthonis on Mar 23, 2008 12:56:53 GMT -6
"sacrificing" animals IS based is from that foul Jehovah in the bible, he never ever demands human sacrifice...(except that test when he told his disciple to sacrifice his son) or whatever What about the main theme of all the Bible (apparently), the connection between Old and New testaments, being the Blood Sacrifice of Jesus Christ (of which Abrahams near-sacrifice of Isaac was to emulate as a forshadowing of things to come). I dunno, I'm gone of Eski H
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Mar 23, 2008 15:05:31 GMT -6
I really dont care about the bible,but if you think about it ...the near "sacrifice" son of Abraham was not killed/sacrificed...and jesus wasnt either because he obivioiusly arose again after three days. To me a sacrifice, a being who is sacrificed to the magic or the Gods of the Darkness..and that sacrifice made remains DEAD.I guess my definition of sacrifice is different than from those in the forum.
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Post by jameson on Mar 23, 2008 17:36:13 GMT -6
I wouldn't call killing an animal for pleasure sacrifice though or killing anything for fun.Id simply call it sadistic or from a detached viewpoint violent fun (that said I advocate none of it)
As I like to say buy drawing pencils, not guns.
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 23, 2008 23:37:07 GMT -6
whatever connection exists between the old and new testaments is tenuous at best.
would anyone else agree with me that the old testament seems to involve misguided treading of the LHP and the new testament feels like misguided, or at least misunderstood, RHP? (although perhaps this is the other way round?) the former requires slavish adherence to a selfish, egocentric god while the latter tries to awaken a selfless (that is to say egoless) reliance on the individual alone.
now, if we took the esoteric teaching of the new testament and re-fashioned it with our A:O given lust for power, then we arrive at the Cult of Cthulhu model. this is a difficult religion, inaccessible to most minds.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by luxcthonis on Mar 24, 2008 8:48:33 GMT -6
whatever connection exists between the old and new testaments is tenuous at best.
would anyone else agree with me that the old testament seems to involve misguided treading of the LHP and the new testament feels like misguided, or at least misunderstood, RHP? (although perhaps this is the other way round?) the former requires slavish adherence to a selfish, egocentric god while the latter tries to awaken a selfless (that is to say egoless) reliance on the individual alone.
now, if we took the esoteric teaching of the new testament and re-fashioned it with our A:O given lust for power, then we arrive at the Cult of Cthulhu model. this is a difficult religion, inaccessible to most minds.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest Yes I do see what you mean here. I was speaking more from a traditional Xian perspective of how they view the Harmony between both testaments. Actually, I think...man...its ambiguous isn't it? I mean both testaments could hold either RHP or LHP principles, and appear misguided only to those who have stigma's attatched to the unrelenting traditions of the religions in question (Judaism and Christianity). In all things, I suppose, it is a matter of perspective. It is also interesting indeed that the biblical concepts (not to mention any other religious concept as well) needs very little reworking in order to align it with the Cult paradigm. In my own opinion, this is so because it is the A:O behind the formation and establishment of all religions: RHP for misdirection, LHP for aggrandizement, with a plethora of methodology in between which is utilizable by the individual in a given process of advancement.
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Post by luxcthonis on Mar 24, 2008 9:01:47 GMT -6
I really dont care about the bible,but if you think about it ...the near "sacrifice" son of Abraham was not killed/sacrificed...and jesus wasnt either because he obivioiusly arose again after three days. To me a sacrifice, a being who is sacrificed to the magic or the Gods of the Darkness..and that sacrifice made remains DEAD.I guess my definition of sacrifice is different than from those in the forum. Oh, I see what you are saying. The near sacrifice of Isaac was performed to show "God" whether or not Abraham would be faithful. Even so, it has been regarded in theological studies that this event was a "type" of the sacrifice of Jesus. Now, it may be that Christ rose from the dead, yes, certainly, but not before descending into the lower regions to obtain the keys of Death and Hell (this sounds similar to Odin's shamanistic journey into Niflheimr to obtain the runes as he hung on Yggdrasil, a sacrifice to himself, does it not?). Christ may have risen from the dead (reanimation, or more appropriately re vitalization of the human corpse; sorcery, etc.), but only after he was killed, sacrificed (to Satan? ) and drained of all blood. Anyways, this is but my own personal interpretation which seems to make up for all the things lacking with previous comprehensions of this doctrine (meaning the concept of the sacrifice of Christ specifically, as opposed to the concept of human sacrifice in general).
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Post by I AM the Way on Mar 24, 2008 10:18:26 GMT -6
yes, there are many lenses with which one could view it. judaism is more like atheistic Satanism while christianity is akin to theistic Satanism.
the right hand path is man's attempt to please his masters, the lesser gods. however, we know that if an individual fought back, then he could free himself. the LHP takes more courage, that's all.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by jameson on Mar 24, 2008 10:27:54 GMT -6
Excellent analysis. LHP is mankind becoming his own master.What more would you need to sacrifice to other than yourself? ;D Perhaps the symbols of the Greeat Old Ones can be compared to the way in Western High Magick Yahweh is eventually the template of self: in other words being that very god rather than kneeling over.
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Post by luxcthonis on Mar 24, 2008 11:56:54 GMT -6
Excellent analysis. LHP is mankind becoming his own master.What more would you need to sacrifice to other than yourself? ;D Perhaps the symbols of the Greeat Old Ones can be compared to the way in Western High Magick Yahweh is eventually the template of self: in other words being that very god rather than kneeling over. Sssshhh! ....you'll give the whole Ecclesia away hehe
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Post by martin on Apr 4, 2008 15:32:48 GMT -6
I just received my copy of the CoC bible yesterday and Two things struck me. One was human sacrifice is it needed. Is it not an act of cowardice to take a life for the sake sacrifice. Is our sexual excretions not symbol enough of the Life-force. If more is required should we not have courage enough to offer service to the powers or shed our own blood willingly instead of an unwilling victim. To my mind the unwilling human sacrifice can only be justified when the life of yourself or a loved one is threatened. Which if I'm not mistaken is the generally accepted ideal. My other was polygamy. I'm not opposed to the idea "let man be free to love who he wills as he wills" But the term polygamy refers to males having multiple partners. Are there not women within the ranks of your warriors. Could u clarify what u mean by polygamy, is this a misuse of the word as a general term. Or a specific sexual practice.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 6, 2008 12:11:03 GMT -6
that's a good question. is human sacrifice needed? certainly human destruction is needed. there will be a variety of people throughout a Cultist's journey who must be annihilated through the use of black magic.
90% of human beings are totally dominated by the lesser gods (the natural world around us). unless they are Awake, this majority acts as the right hand of the lesser gods. it is humanity which enforces the law and it is they who guard the prison we find ourselves in. some have what it takes to eventually struggle free. most do not.
does human sacrifice add to a magician's ritual? i believe it does in some circumstances. is it cowardly to take a life? i don't think so. the majority of human beings are little more than vermin. however, it is currently against the law to take another human life except in certain cases such as self-defense. so no one has to worry about the art of human sacrifice until the Cult of Cthulhu amends the law after coming into power.
anyone can have multiple lovers at any time. everyone has that freedom and should have it. although, a polygamous union of one man and multiple women is currently against the law in the USA. the Cult of Cthulhu wishes to protect this once traditional, now forbidden option. a protected union between one woman and multiple men would be rare and difficult to keep, but i am not opposed to the idea; however, be careful not to confuse sexual fetish with sacrament.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Slimy Green Pope
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Post by sin on Apr 24, 2008 13:29:55 GMT -6
Mental retardation was seen as an abomination, children born either with mental or physical disabilities were sacrificed; often buried alive to apease the gods. Birth defects were believed to be punishment for angering the gods.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 24, 2008 14:25:54 GMT -6
that's right. they started up the practice in Nazi Germany as well. conversely, some genetic defects are considered "worshipable". i'm thinking of that new Chinese baby born with two faces. it's being treated like the human incarnation of some Chinese God. oops, i guess it was India. whatever...
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Post by Madguten on Apr 24, 2008 16:49:11 GMT -6
whoa theres something you dont see every day, a two faced baby.
Check this out, btw:
From wikipedia: For the re-consecration of Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan in 1487, the Aztecs reported that they sacrificed about 80,400 prisoners over the course of four days, though there were probably many fewer. According to Ross Hassing, author of Aztec Warfare, "between 10,000 and 80,400 persons" were sacrificed in the ceremony
Only 80,000? Lazy bastards, lol ;D
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Post by Draelloathe on Apr 24, 2008 19:21:28 GMT -6
Either way a good start for your enemies, the damn things keep growing. Why dominate someone who could one day overcome you through age?
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Post by Yevathik on Apr 25, 2008 2:23:00 GMT -6
that's right. they started up the practice in Nazi Germany as well. conversely, some genetic defects are considered "worshipable". i'm thinking of that new Chinese baby born with two faces. it's being treated like the human incarnation of some Chinese God. oops, i guess it was India. whatever...
VSThere was another child born with six legs or something similar a few months earlier. Very interesting, since both of these mutations seem to resemble things told of in hindu mythology. Pretty ironic since they were both born in India.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 25, 2008 10:36:00 GMT -6
maybe it's the Mythos... or perhaps it's just radiation from too many nuclear plants / missiles being detonated?
VS
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Post by prisonsatanist on Apr 25, 2008 16:14:27 GMT -6
Wht is Human sacrifice, or Animal sacrifice? What is the person or group aiming to achieve? To sacrifice something we use either human/animal blood or seamen. By sacrificing a human being is against the law but animals are different, or are they? An animal will sense when it's life is about to end as does a human - so what actually is achieved? Personally I would prefer to achieve sacrifice by seamen methods as it is more enjoyable. It is all a matter of what the person wants to achieve as you get nothing for nothing in this world!!! Any further comments would be appreciated? Prisonsatanist
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Post by professerackley777 on Apr 25, 2008 18:32:07 GMT -6
Cherynobl all over again, hmmm?
Which reminds me of The Hills have Eyes...
IA!
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Post by martin on Apr 25, 2008 18:53:57 GMT -6
Oh boy ,do i so get that most human beings are vermin. My means of income brings me into contact with some real social pollutants. Neds junkies and jakies( you probably have no idea what I just said checkout Utube for examples these quaint scotish subcultures). The use of these degenerates in human sacrifice would be an own goal. Any self respecting GOD would be insulted at such a paltry offering. I'm sure using them for something usefully like fuel or fertilizer would be far more productive than offering up some buckfast and smack fueled bam. As for fetishising. For me personally Yeeuukk! I find as a general rule stirring another man porrigde more than a little abhorrent. I just wanted to check the New Emerald Age was an equal opportunity epoch. It kinda makes it easier to promote . ;D
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