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Post by A:.O:. on Jul 18, 2010 12:21:10 GMT -6
What is everyones belief when it comes to the Great Old Ones? Do you believe that they are actual gods worthy of worship or do you view them, like LaVeyan Satanists do Satan, as symbols of mans inherent nature?
Or, do you have a different approach to the Great Old Ones than mentioned above?
ia ia Cthulhu fhatgn! A:.O:. Herald of the Old Gods
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Post by 10kdays on Jul 18, 2010 12:56:31 GMT -6
I tend to have a more laVeyan belief in the Great Old Ones, in that they represent our deepest fears of that which is not of this world.
When the stars are right!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jul 18, 2010 13:01:13 GMT -6
What is everyones belief when it comes to the Great Old Ones? Do you believe that they are actual gods worthy of worship or do you view them, like LaVeyan Satanists do Satan, as symbols of mans inherent nature? Or, do you have a different approach to the Great Old Ones than mentioned above? ia ia Cthulhu fhatgn! A:.O:. Herald of the Old Gods I believe that the Great Old Ones are more akin to a dark energy force that we can tap into if we have a strong enough will. I also believe that with a strong enough belief as a group, They can manifest themselves in our lives and, eventually, into our physical realm by our use of magic ritual. Belief and will ARE power. Awake!
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Post by loke on Jul 18, 2010 13:28:45 GMT -6
I Am A Worshiper Of The Ancient Ones. As I see it, they connect with chosen minds from afar, on an Electric Field. More so in dreams may they manifest, and make their selection upon which humans that are chosen/called. They observe all that which is, remember all that which was, and see all that which will be. This is the darkness of the darkness, there is only black, in this nothingness there is infinity. For me this is the only way it could ever be.
THE CULT OF CTHULHU SHALL NEVER DIE!!!!
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Post by lisbent on Jul 19, 2010 15:42:26 GMT -6
they are entities that exist as much as anythong else beyond my own thought exists.
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Post by LostSoul on Jul 19, 2010 19:49:26 GMT -6
The forgotten gods are symbols of that which we fear to believe; but should. Creations to help us embrace the true nature of the universe. They are as real(or, unreal); as the collective conscious makes them.
But, if Cthulhu rises out of the ocean...All bets are off!
Still, I worship them; nevertheless...
Praise Dagon!
Hail Cthulhu!
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Post by rylehsambassador on Jul 19, 2010 20:25:12 GMT -6
I see them more as symbols of mans nature but do to a point direct my energies quite often to shub niggurath.
Awake!
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Post by ragnafa on Jul 19, 2010 20:47:43 GMT -6
I call myself a theistic Lovecraftian Cthulhu Mythos believer. It's hard for me to use such strong advocates as just symbols..Just how my world works...Belief is Reality
Awake.
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jul 20, 2010 20:39:59 GMT -6
I see the Great Old Ones as archetypes for that which exists outside of Man's understanding of the Universe and beyond. They represent among many things the vastness of the blackness of space and even further beyond that into a different plane of understanding barely, sub-cognitively understandable by man; especially the sleeping man.
The Great Old Ones also represent a horror so mind-bending that it pierces all fabric of rational thought with a cleansing fury of white hot confusion and panic. This horror begins at understanding that we are NOTHING.
It's through MY belief that this becomes reality and the Great Old Ones exist, super-exist even.
Of course, I might just be insane but, hey, that's start!
The Cult Of Cthulhu Shall Never Die!
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Post by ragnafa on Jul 20, 2010 21:27:07 GMT -6
Hey I'm with you Brethren, but you know what I love being Insane.
Awake..........
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jul 21, 2010 7:51:04 GMT -6
Hey I'm with you Brethren, but you know what I love being Insane. Awake.......... Same here! I keep telling my friends that I don't suffer from insanity, but enjoy every minute of it! When The Stars Are Right!
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Post by A:.O:. on Jul 21, 2010 8:19:18 GMT -6
It seems like there is two camps here - the smaller one having a theistic belief in the Ancient Ones as actual entities, and the larger one having an atheistic approach to the Ancient Ones as symbols and archetypes rather than real gods. Am I seeing this right? Is there a third camp maybe?
Questions for the Theistic followers of the Ancient Ones (LOKE so far but anyone should feel free to answer) - Is there any value in recruiting others to the worship of the Ancient Ones if they only speak to the chosen/those who are called? Or by being aware of their existance is someone then considered chosen?
Questions for the Atheistic followers of the Ancient Ones - If the Ancient Ones are symbols/archetypes would you consider them created by HP Lovecraft or did he simply name something that existed before him? Since the Ancient Ones are symbols how do you then view High Priest Venger Satanis's assertion that they have had in the evolution of mankind?
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Post by rylehsambassador on Jul 21, 2010 12:07:03 GMT -6
seeing as I would probably be lumped into the second grouping il elaborate I see most Deities as the emobdiment of qualities people wished to see in themselves,strength,honor,wrath,perfection,higher conciousness,power. Then through this these deities became real and tangible in their hearts and minds. In saying that I believe in them as symbols I should have elaborated seeing as I view it more as my good friend Kai puts it that they are brought into our existence through belief in them regardless they would exist regardless of our beliefs but on a personal level they exist through our devotion to them or at least thats how I see it. So id be middle of the bridge most likely then seeing them as tangible entities but we relate and adhere to them through the thought of we can attain a similar stature and power and to become as the gods.And I believe as to the lovecraft question they exsisted as ideas before he wrote of them but he was the first to take those specific aspects and give those names to them and give us awesome literature to learn and guide us in worship , modeling ourselves after them what have you. wheew that started short and got long. AWAKE!
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Post by lisbent on Jul 21, 2010 13:08:21 GMT -6
answer #1 no there is no value in recruiting others into the fold besides personal gratification, which is no small thing mind you. even the most introverted nutcase likes to share.
amswer #2 i do not regard evolution as anything of significance. neither should venger if he is to be consistent with other of his postulations. but maybe inconcistency is the real goal here? that just doesnt facilitate any sort of shared psychosis in my oppinion, which surely must be the goal of this enterprise?
Edit: Having read many posts now on this board with a very high degree of inspirational value, i would say this indeed is reason enough to rally new members.
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Post by loke on Jul 21, 2010 13:58:11 GMT -6
Questions for the Theistic followers of the Ancient Ones (LOKE so far but anyone should feel free to answer) - Is there any value in recruiting others to the worship of the Ancient Ones if they only speak to the chosen/those who are called? Or by being aware of their existance is someone then considered chosen? If you are doing Magick and Incantations calling upon the Ancient Ones for help, give them the respect of acknowledgement. The value is for me, that I do them justice, for other Cthulhu Cultists, that they tread a path with less trouble than I had on the way to understanding. They made their presence known to me only after a terrible painful error on my part, involving rituals where I should have been working for the Ancient Ones, except instead I wasn't. After the pain of my errors, I had began to think, "what the fuck just happened I've been going about this all wrong" so I denounced the so called "Gods" I had been working with that very same night. I then went to sleep, The Ancient Ones came to me in a dream, they are from the Infinite Space, some might call them "aliens". They grabbed me by the wrists in this dream, when they did, I was suddenly rushed with a Black Understanding of the "situation", it wasn't something that was heard. It went through my skin into my veins turning them black as it proceeded to take over all. I woke up and I wasn't the same anymore, I was now aware of the "situation". Believe what you will, wait till you're chosen if you want. I know what I know, and there is no other way for me. I will always absolutely suggest, giving The Ancient Ones the respect, they are due. IGROG OZRA, INHA RITEE DAERA!!!!
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Post by LostSoul on Jul 21, 2010 19:20:45 GMT -6
Questions for the Atheistic followers of the Ancient Ones - If the Ancient Ones are symbols/archetypes would you consider them created by HP Lovecraft or did he simply name something that existed before him? Since the Ancient Ones are symbols how do you then view High Priest Venger Satanis's assertion that they have had in the evolution of mankind? Wow...Never been called an "atheist" before...Still, lemme take a crack at this: Yes, I would not say that HPL created them so much; as give them the names that they've always had; buried deep in the darker realms of mankind's sub conscious; and magickal inclinations. As for Lord Venger's assertion; it is quite possible that these alien originators of our species(a long-standing theory/belief of mine that extraterristrials interfered in our evolution), are buried so deep within our collective consciousness; that they could only be called or consider as the old ones; the forgotten gods. Which in turn were given the names of Cthulhu, Dagon, Yog-Sothoth, ect... Just a theory.
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jul 21, 2010 20:49:22 GMT -6
It seems like there is two camps here - the smaller one having a theistic belief in the Ancient Ones as actual entities, and the larger one having an atheistic approach to the Ancient Ones as symbols and archetypes rather than real gods. Am I seeing this right? Is there a third camp maybe? Questions for the Theistic followers of the Ancient Ones (LOKE so far but anyone should feel free to answer) - Is there any value in recruiting others to the worship of the Ancient Ones if they only speak to the chosen/those who are called? Or by being aware of their existance is someone then considered chosen? Questions for the Atheistic followers of the Ancient Ones - If the Ancient Ones are symbols/archetypes would you consider them created by HP Lovecraft or did he simply name something that existed before him? Since the Ancient Ones are symbols how do you then view High Priest Venger Satanis's assertion that they have had in the evolution of mankind? I'm going to keep this short because I am exhausted and had justed typed out a suitable reply to your question and lost it. Don't you hate when that happens? First, I'd like to think of all of us as Cthulhu Cultists of one solid block; emerald harbingers of change marching fearlessly under the blackened sun. It's not wise for one to start dividing members of the same institution into two separate "camps" as you put it. That could only cause strife and unrest further down the line if we start getting into that sort of mindset. I mean, look at America with it's Right vs. Left nonsense. Also, there is always a third camp, or a fourth, or a fifth. It's never black v. white as many people seem to see situations, ideas, etc. Anyway, that's not entirely important. I believe that the Ancient Ones have existed long before Lovecraft; or rather the idea of the Ancient Ones and what they represent; the cold unfeeling horror of the universe, the unfathomable limitless boundaries of the cosmos (and beyond), and the cold harsh reality and objective meaningless of existence, existed aeons and aeons before they were even a inkling of a idea, concept, whatever within the small squishy mind of man. Lovecraft gave them a form, and something to call all this by. I believe the Great Old Ones do exist, but just as much as everything else within our minds, our perceptive, delicate, slumbering little minds. We give them life (for lack of a better word, because what they are is far beyond any mere biological function) with our praise, our belief. Through our ritual and energy we sustain them. So it may be hard to understand for some as I do carry a certain madness to my prose at times. As for the question concerning the claim set forth by our High Priest Lord Satanis. Well perhaps it isn't meant to be taken quite so literally. Maybe it's because the human race seems so alien from everything else in nature, but necessarily so much that we are not apart of it? I don't know why don't we ask Lord Satanis himself? Lord Satanis, do you mean much of what you say in Cthulhu Cult, when pertaining to the existence of the Old Ones and the evolution of mankind in a true literal sense? Okay, that's enough for now. I need to cool down the engines so to speak. Awake!
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Post by lucofthelight on Jul 22, 2010 3:30:04 GMT -6
I see the Great Old Ones as archetypes for that which exists outside of Man's understanding of the Universe and beyond. They represent among many things the vastness of the blackness of space and even further beyond that into a different plane of understanding barely, sub-cognitively understandable by man; especially the sleeping man. The Great Old Ones also represent a horror so mind-bending that it pierces all fabric of rational thought with a cleansing fury of white hot confusion and panic. This horror begins at understanding that we are NOTHING. It's through MY belief that this becomes reality and the Great Old Ones exist, super-exist even. Of course, I might just be insane but, hey, that's start! The Cult Of Cthulhu Shall Never Die! Well stated Kai! My own beliefs run along these lines in relation to the Great Old Ones. At least for now at my present level of development. I would be almost bold enough to state that men involved in the Work at the higher levels are more attuned to receive direct communication from C influences. Knowledge and guidance from higher forces, perhaps outside our universe or dimension. Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 22, 2010 10:52:19 GMT -6
Indeed, K'ara Kaiul. You are definitely onto something. I came to the same realization years ago, and I'm now reaping the benefits.
These ideas should allow one's understanding to push, to strain, to intuit with extrapolation so that a new order is visible beneath the chaos.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by A:.O:. on Jul 22, 2010 11:01:39 GMT -6
I don't think I can say anything to this better that what Priest of R'yleh Ego Diabolus said here - cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=fourth&action=display&thread=3280&page=2 As always, this is the demonstrated strength of our organization! We may have different views and opinions, but remain united in purpose and vision. Show me another organization of this cailber and character!
Maybe I should not have used the analogy of 'different camps'. I hoped to cause a discussion and never dreams of causing strife. That is very well said, thanks for sharing your belief. Personally I lean towards a theistic belief in the Great Old Ones, but it helps tremendously to understand how my fellow Cultists view them. The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! A:.O:. Herald of the Old Gods
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