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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 18, 2012 19:46:32 GMT -6
The following video is interesting for a number of reasons.
I think many Cultists can relate to the concept of otherization. While "niggerization" pertains to race, otherization describes general persecution. The world tends to see individuals - especially those who are unlike the majority - as "the other"; it's a way of demonizing them. The majority likes to feel safe and hates feeling scared and, of course, fear is a stronger emotion.
Thoughts? Also, if you have an opinion on the suspected racism of either Biden or Romney, then speak up. Personally, I feel that Biden wasn't being racist - although he used race to motivate. On the other hand, Romney was using the standard Republican coded racism to otherize President Obama.
Awake!
VS
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Post by sin on Aug 19, 2012 7:18:26 GMT -6
I couldn't agree more. And perhaps this might serve as a contextual example of political tactics. I recently wrote a piece called Satanic Politics, I've been writing a lot as of late about the tactics in use by the Bullshit Artist that needs to tear down your character and defame you as a way to make your ideas worthless.
In Social Media some users consider the Occult a competitor's market. They are competing with others for popularity, fame and a cult following. Many of these people motivate others to join their camp by using this otherization tactic. Some people have warped minds and are mentally unstable, they use this tactic in a criminal manner but its often in tandem with the 'confound and confuse' tactic. These mentally unstable people are using it to harm others on a grander scale. The Internet is HUGE and a way to spread these messages quickly.
In U.S. politics its used to defame politicians for voting day.
In Satanic politics its used to defame groups and individuals for personal gain.
There is a current of hysteria going on, and while we all have busy lives and are often distracted by them...It continues.
I've been speaking out publicly for a year now. I decided when I went into this that I'd only report on it for a year and then leave it to the populace to decide. The trouble I see is that when my campaign concludes on 8/26 the 99% represent those that have been duped. There is only 1% that are critical thinkers and still believe in the values held on the LHP. 1% represent the extraordinary people I align with. I don't care about their social class or their intelligence on paper. I care about critical thinking people who are still moving forward to become something great, and progress forward.
I knew I'd be vilified for my efforts. I had full awareness when I took this on. I didn't need supporters. I wasn't going to allow this to happen without pause. I would be a damn in its path. I've taken a few hits to my person, but not anything I can't shake off. I've been defamed, threatened and my privacy invaded. I've had many people join gangs against me because they need me to be the Villain. This otherization of my person is something I expected. My Wordpress represents more than just a blog, it represents the power I have to do something real. I personally won't tolerate these goings on and so I chose to do something about it.
I know some have tried and failed in the past. Fear will certainly get people to tuck-tail and run. I do not Fear. Fear is the mind killer, it is the little death. I am not ready to lay down and die.
tindeck.com/listen/nunm
^ My podcast using Otherization as a context for these ideas
CS
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 15, 2012 7:51:42 GMT -6
I'm piggybacking my latest video on this thread because it's related. The otherization of Barack Obama is the driving force behind Mitt Romney's campaign.
Thanks for watching. Awake!
VS
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 8:40:06 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 8:41:04 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 8:52:23 GMT -6
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Post by shawnhartnell on Sept 15, 2012 11:07:20 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 11:51:24 GMT -6
"in social identity theory the group membership is not something foreign or artificial which is attached onto the person, it is a real, true and vital part of the person. Again, it is crucial to remember in-groups are groups you identify with, and out-groups are ones that we don't identify with, and may discriminate against." Thus otherization takes place. It's the reason that 'race' is applied, which is why I discuss forms of racism, and that racism is a form of identification.
As we identify with a 'race' (you could easily replace this term with 'group' ) each person that identifies with a group is in fact applying a racism. I find it difficult for people to not be racist, but its rather easy for people to be racial deniers.
See: blog cultofcthulhu.wall.fm/blogs/224
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Sept 15, 2012 13:53:00 GMT -6
For me it's the other way around, I see racism as a manifestation of 'social identity mechanics'. In my opinion, identification with a group could possibly be a productive thing, if doing so can help pull a person up to a higher level.
In theory it would work in the same way as identifying with a personal god / goddess.
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 16:10:07 GMT -6
For me it's the other way around, I see racism as a manifestation of 'social identity mechanics'. In my opinion, identification with a group could possibly be a productive thing, if doing so can help pull a person up to a higher level.
In theory it would work in the same way as identifying with a personal god / goddess.
Chicken before the egg? If you identify with a group, how do you separate yourself from said group?
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Sept 15, 2012 17:05:52 GMT -6
If you identify with a god / goddess, how do you separate yourself from said deity?
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 17:15:27 GMT -6
If you identify with a god / goddess, how do you separate yourself from said deity? I think that regarding deity in any manner is being over-generalized. It's as if you are assuming that people identify with a model, when in reality many people have actual experiences with their deity, and just recognize it as deity. Do they identify with it? As it? Who can say, this is where Gnosis comes in.
I can only speak for myself when I say, identification is a form of racism. If you identify with a group, label, gender, etc. etc. etc. My comment was with regard to which came first? 'Race' or Social Identity Theory?
CS
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Post by shawnhartnell on Sept 15, 2012 17:41:24 GMT -6
I'm willing to take up the deity conversation up in another thread if you want. With that said...
Which came first, 'race' or 'social identity theory'? The concept of 'race' came first, of course. I'm not for sure what your point is here.
This is where I think we're disagreeing...
You say: Identification with a group is a form of racism. A ~ B I'm saying: Identification with a group can result in racism. A --> B
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Post by sin on Sept 15, 2012 19:21:11 GMT -6
I'm willing to take up the deity conversation up in another thread if you want. With that said...
Which came first, 'race' or 'social identity theory'? The concept of 'race' came first, of course. I'm not for sure what your point is here.
This is where I think we're disagreeing...
You say: Identification with a group is a form of racism. A ~ B I'm saying: Identification with a group can result in racism. A --> B
Honestly? I think you are disagreeing with yourself.
I already made my point. I was addressing your comment. The point was already made that racism is a form of Social Identity Theory and that this is a form of identification. If you identify, what are you really?
In correlation with otherization as a divisive tactic, the result is that you have been identified by another as 'other' as a way to separate you from what a person identifies with.
CS
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 16, 2012 6:43:11 GMT -6
Going back to where the idea started for a few moments, I don't think it's only Obama's race which makes him "other" in the eyes of many Americans. Some people can be persuaded that Obama is an outsider because of his name, where he was born, his ideas, his background, his style of governing/leadership, his vision for the United States, etc. Of course, the easiest thing to point at is his race. Racism is alive and well in America. It's a big target and probably the best chance Mitt Romney has to win.
Ironically, the Republicans know that Obama is the best chance the American people have for democracy, but they don't want democracy. They much prefer a republic in the form of an oligarchy or plutocracy. That's why they point to Obama and call him "divisive", "angry", "unAmerican" and "not one of us". Republicans want to reach as many close-minded people as possible, sowing seeds of fear into them regarding the President's otherness.
Turning towards the issue of identification, it's easy to identify. We do it all the time. We can identify with a deity, the weather, our job, what's on TV, our clothes, a social network we belong to, how our friends and family view us, an emotion suddenly rising to the surface, etc. There are times when we are either more or less identified with A, B, and C. The degree to which we are identified equals the exact opposite ratio of our degree of separation. So, if we're 30% identified, then we're 70% separated. Identification isn't always bad; however, separating ourselves from just about everything in life is a key to Awakening.
How one chooses to separate is an appropriate question. How do we get there? It's probably different for everybody, yet there must be commonalities. Doesn't Self-Remembering help us escape all the confining perils of sleep? And who is going to remind us that we need to remember ourselves... if not fellow students, student-teachers, teaching assistants, and teachers? This is why Fourth Way schools exist.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Sept 16, 2012 12:19:03 GMT -6
Agreed. If I'm constantly asking the same questions, perhaps I'm wondering in my own mind, what people think the Work is really about?
It can be discussed, dissected, analyzed and handed out in goodie bags, but if it's never applied?
What the hell are we doing here?
CS
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 18, 2012 5:16:26 GMT -6
2012 Elections In a Nutshell
If you believe USA is a Christian Nation do not vote for the Democrats If you believe that marriage is between a man and a woman do not vote for the Democrats
Obama=Antichrist Romney=Humble honest man of good old Christian values like a true American
Why It Is A Close Race
The root cause of the problem (and why this race is deem close) is due to the idiotic people believing the BS spin and them believing it to be the truth and then evangalisng others to their cause which is built on half truths and paranoid and certain people I suspect knows this so they are keeping theses fires alive.
It is like as CS said all this time on the COC about herd/mob mentality/witch hunt mentality.
In order to try and remedy the root cause, people needed to be gently educated on how things are really and not the paranoid future they have due to cancerous half truths that spreads like wildfire.
This is easier said than done, due to once someone is caught in a mob mentality it is very hard to knock some sense into them and stop infecting others with their poisonous dribble.
I have tried myself this year to read in depth Americans views on politics and most of it is just plain utter BS non sense which is similar to the occult world as CS stated previously.
LD
ps:-Republican manoeuvrings their ethnic members for more roles in there party to counter the ethnic minorities backing Obama? C'mon!!!!!
Republicans tactic of telling the young voters not to vote for Obama? This really disgusts me.
Exploiting the voter market like the Republicans have in general really disgust me.
Following the polls and there current trends I am hoping it is the sign that the USA is getting sick of the Republicans tactics.
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Post by sin on Sept 18, 2012 6:36:08 GMT -6
Ever stop to think why two parties dominate the campaign trail? There are other parties to consider, but the dualism of Democrats vs. Republicans is no better or worse than the 'good' vs. 'evil' dichotomy.
Silly Americans.
CS
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Post by cortwilliams on Sept 18, 2012 13:09:41 GMT -6
The two party system is problematic. In Europe and elsewhere there are many examples of democratic(or technically republican) governments which have 3 or more parties which get seats in parliament and therefore exert a certain amount of influence on the process of governing. On the other hand, most of these countries still have a dominant center-left and center-right party, with smaller parties such as Greens, Nationalists, etc. who only get a handful of seats in parliament exerting a relatively marginal influence on government as a whole.
Hail Satanis! Cort
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 19, 2012 1:27:49 GMT -6
The two party system is problematic. In Europe and elsewhere there are many examples of democrat(c(or technically republican) governments which have 3 or more parties which get seats in parliament and therefore exert a certain amount of influence on the process of governing. On the other hand, most of these countries still have a dominant center-left and center-right party, with smaller parties such as Greens, Nationalists, etc. who only get a handful of seats in parliament exerting a relatively marginal influence on government as a whole. Hail Satanis! Cort I believe the best way forward for USA is a coalition government to represent the true spectrum of USA and its individual groups/constituents needs. For USA to limit themselves as either Democrats or Republicans from an outsiders view point does not truly reflect USA as a whole. ie, trying to put a square peg in around whole Round Hole=Democrat Party/Identity Square Peg=The Individual and you can substitute the following for the square peg oblong peg=mexican hexagon peg=li triangle=environmentalists oval=equal taxes believers rectangle/x/stars combo=Confederates* My country Of New Zealand in the mid 1990s ceased to be a two party nation (First Past The Post) and converted into a coalition government (MMP). In the 16 years (roughly) I have witnessed how this new system has helped benefited my country in the long run and New Zealand is better as a country for it due to the incredible influence of the smaller parties. I am glad that the current indigenous race has there own political voice instead of fitting into a round or triangle hole and am hoping the American Indians gets there own political voice one day instead of fitting into wrong size holes. I have witness members of parliament abuse this new system and leap from one party to another party and have witnessed all the visible political struggles to tweak the coalition systems more favorable to a certain party. Smaller parties can make a difference, my country is a witness to it. This year NZ passed a big hurdle in terms as we had a vote to whether to keep MMP or FPTP, thankfully NZ is still MMP (very weary of this as I see this as a test run to derail MMP and replacing it back to FPTP). I do agree that we are still in our infancy and in time the coaltion parties will get as chaotic as they do in India, Italy and other countries. One of the main problems of a coalition system is that each party tends to specialize/focus in area which leads to conflicts within the coalition structure eg, In India the Trinamool party is walking out on the Congress Party this week due to economic reforms and helping the poor. In NZ the National Party is trying to get into partnership with the Christain party to sure up there numbers as they expect to lose a small party and also lose the Maori Party in the next election. (Interesting footnote, NZ government is expected to successfully pass the same sex marriage bill and is wooing the Christian party at the same time) *I believe the average USA citizens is ready for a coalition environment but I do not see this happening until more people do something about it as I do not see the USA government deems it as the best interest of USA regardless what its citizens think. Other factors to consider are:- Would they risk Texas breaking away? Would they risk certain states breaking away and seeking their own independence? Have old wounds and grudges gone away or still bubbling away between the surface? Is USA ready for these scenarios and other scenarios to play out? This is the only reason I can think of to keep the two party system in USA, to avoid states separating from USA. In closing, If USA remains a two party system or not is up to the people of USA not the USA government, therefore it is up to you the individuals what type of future you want, you can whine and complain about it or do something proactive about it. Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 19, 2012 1:30:22 GMT -6
re: COC
I see COC as a beneficial smaller party in the LHP and occult communities so that is one of the reasons I support the COC in its endeavours.
Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 19, 2012 1:55:23 GMT -6
re: poor vs rich
1) The brutal reality is that all governments cannot look after and meet all the needs of there citizens, it is just impossible. The government must look after the country first, therefore there will always be people left behind to fend for themselves until they can help them (hopefully).
2a)The rich does not know how hard it can be to live on a certain budget, the rich values is different from the poor and tend to see the poor as scavengers who should try a hard days work, these same rich people have not lost everything and had to try to for another job in a time of need , they do not know how tough it is ton get a job even if they are highly qualified and recently out of work person.
2b)The poor do not realize the importance of some qualities that make the rich so successful that they themselves have which they can cultivate but instead blame them for not helping them when they should show more charity to them, because that is what is expected of them. The poor tend to then go on a downward spiral of self defeatist attitude which in turns alienates the rich even more from the poor.
All this actions and other actions or lack of actions helps to reinforce the views of the other-side about the other-side, round and round it goes, year after year, decade by decade and etc.
4) In times like these, people should try and rely on each other and themselves instead of spending pointless energy blaming the government for their problems.
One should analyze the position they are in and how they got there before pointing the fingers.
eg, Someone buying into those get rich infomercial schemes of the 1990s and buying houses and extending their credit then getting KOd by sub-prime mortgage bubble bust, who then blames the bank and the government for their problems and not helping them out in a time of need.
5) The vicious dependency on the government to solve all ones problems is erroneous as stated in opening, it is impossible for the government to help everyone at once.
6) Sometimes the poor who become rich forget where they come from and start to bat for the rich team until they lose it all and have to start over again.
7) The artificially inflated economy which keeps on artificially inflating and not growing or depreciating at a nature rate does not help matters.
8) We live in a real world and not a utopian world where everyone has a job, truth there is always going to be unemployment.
It is up to the individual how there overcome this hurdle (legally and paying your taxes
It is a shame that we do not live in a free enough society (western society I am mainly referring to) allow a bartering system of exchange of goods and service like what is done in the real world as this was relieve a lot of unnecessary hardship on countless of people worldwide
8) So when is someone/group going to actually MODERATE this divide constructively? Instead of having quick fix solutions to sedate the public?
LD
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Post by sin on Sept 19, 2012 8:18:49 GMT -6
The main issue I see as an American is that it takes work to be a citizen of this country, and being fully aware of our personal actions that affect the whole system.
Take for instance American Ignorance, most Americans have no idea how our government is structured, let alone the role it plays. Then there's the economy to consider, even though 'economics' is offered in Basic Education. Learning comes after you leave curriculum but what stops Americans from seeking it?
There is a laziness, and it seems to run in tandem with this entitlement sentiment.
When Reality TV is of a higher importance than knowing what bills are on the legislation floor, the American has fallen from grace.
People get frustrated and throw their hands up entirely. And this is the primary issue.
VS interviewed me a few years ago and asked what I thought an ideal government would be like. To this day, I still maintain my answer. I'd really like to see a Think Tank in place, because this Republic is in the shitter. We have some of the most prolific thinkers and innovators in the world, and those skillsets could be utilized to brainstorm some ideas to recover from economic crisis (among other issues).
American Politics often has the wrong focus. What the hell are we doing? I often ask myself that question.
CS
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Post by cortwilliams on Sept 19, 2012 12:34:04 GMT -6
I agree regarding that ignorance of the political process is something that the US(and other countries as well, it's easy sometimes I think to get swept along on the bandwagon of anti-americanism which has become quite trendy in the last decade or so) really needs to work on. Regarding the attitude of entitlement: What is is that americans feel they are entitled to that isn't provided in western europe, canada, australia et al? Healthcare? A strong social safety net? If anything, the USA provides less of these social services than most other republican nations with a comparable level of prosperity(as measured by GDP et al).
Hail Satanis! Cort
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Post by sin on Sept 19, 2012 19:00:56 GMT -6
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 19, 2012 19:45:09 GMT -6
Just realized in hindsight may have come across too strongly.
More importantly discussing politics is a very goo way of observing how well you have managed to really control your negative emotions as discussing politics in a way acts like a truth serum.
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Post by sin on Sept 20, 2012 7:45:34 GMT -6
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 20, 2012 21:31:12 GMT -6
Finally caught up with all the videos on this chain of posts.
!!!WOW!!!
Now I have more clarity on why this race is consider so close.
When it comes to PR (commercials, advertising promotions) and political strategies (in all areas of life) I am a objective observer and am always marking stuff like this due to the style, presentatition, how well it is precieved by the public and over all completeness and desired impact.
In terms of political strategies, PR spin and etc I will give the Republican parties a 10/10.
This tactic basically killed a few birds with one stone which I see as touchdown goals.
Touch Down Goal 1 It basically grabs quite a few more votes form the defense personnel and will by default make the defense personnel more tense towards each other due to supporting a certain party which in turns leads to people going if you don't fight for this party then you are not a patriotic defense personnel. (I wonder how many peoples career (in all USA govt departments and in all aspects of USA workforce) has been sabotage due to getting rid of undesirable people who aren't voting the way the rest of the group is)
Touch Down Goal 2 This is turn will make things harder to run in this area of government which in turn will give the Republicans more ammunition to use against the Democrats.
Touch Down Goal 3 I personally agree that it is wrong to apologize for ones values. Another touchdown try for the Republicans
Touch Down Goal 4 Arab Spring does not become a Arab Winter. The president and the government is inconsistent and sending mix messages and keeping silent on certain matters/situations.
As the President of the USA, it will be inappropriate for Obama to say certain things out loud due to the position he is in, however Romney has more freedom of speech due to he is not in that position, however if Romney was to be president he would remain silent on the same issues as Obama.
Therefore the Democrats can't really argue there way out of this one and must concede this touch downs to the Republicans and find other avenues to counter the Republicans.
LD
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 20, 2012 22:07:53 GMT -6
A big part of why otherisations occurs is that the way certain focus groups and collecting methods of political data and statistics are carried out and collected
Take the example of a group of volunteers being given some comments about ________ and they are to right down there first impressions and thoughts relating to those comments.
Then there will be a statistical analyses of these comments which will go something like this:-
Comment 1 47% volunteers thought this comment was about and the . words they associate with this comment is__________
55% of volunteers thought this comment was too blunt and aggression and makes the person using this comment look like a sulky loser.
Comment 2 34% of volunteers thought this comment was about and the words they associate with this comment is__________.
89% volunteers thought this comment was how they felt and wish that ________would go away.
Therefore they will have a list of comments and there statistical analyses and then use this data to decide which comment should they use.
LD
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Post by lokidreaming on Oct 4, 2012 20:56:28 GMT -6
I totally understand the Republican Party's Strategy of igniting public debate about what should the government support fund adds up to a huge bill and I also understanding other political strategies that have come to play and that the strategy they use in the debate was very good but they used the wrong example to highlight this very good strategy.
Using Big Bird and PBS is this wrong example.
They have managed to alienate more swing voters parents and teachers and I am thinking to myself why on earth would they want to alienate these important swing voters?
Either they are not expecting many swing votes from these voters, so they are not even trying or else they erred badly from using the above mentioned example.
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