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Post by happy on Jul 8, 2007 11:31:08 GMT -6
How has the idea of Void, changed your interactions with reality?
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 8, 2007 13:32:26 GMT -6
an interesting question. i think the word Void can be as wide and varied as the word God. both are subjective terms meaning different things to different people.
perhaps Void and God can be interchangeable in special cases...? personally, i see the Void as the ultimate unknown. this absolute nothingness is a blank slate, a naked canvas. it could harbor anything... everything. just like God.
so if Void is God, then my answer is this: i believe that reality can be changed, that human beings can potentially tap into a divine emptiness waiting to be filled. and with this power, any magician can create his own reality.
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Post by amble on Jul 8, 2007 14:19:17 GMT -6
As far as my understanding goes, void is god, and god is void.
Because there can be no god without a belief in hir/it, it is dependent upon the believer to create the god. So there is no god unless you know they exist. Much like in quantum physics, when we sit in a chair, the chair is behind us so we cannot see it, so it does not impinge upon our senses, so it does not exist, and yet when we sit down we know that there is a chair to sit on, based on some other sensory acceptance.
We are all a part of one entity, and everything around is connected in the same way. So we are part of whatever deity there is. But at the same time, we, being of mortal flesh, cannot possibly understand something so grand, and so god cannot exist. Because everything that exists exists only in our minds, it is dependent on us all seperately and collectively to believe or not. He is there because he is not there.
Having said that, we are all part of something, so anything outisde us must be nothing. If everything were made of something, we would suffocate.
(Apologies, happy. I completely sidestepped your question and answered the question i thought you had asked, which was in fact the answer that IAM posted. That being the reason for the addendum.)
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 8, 2007 23:45:20 GMT -6
a few questions for you, Amble. and anyone else who might want to take a crack at it.
1. what if the chair behind me was hurled into my back? i would be unaware of its existence before the very real chair knocked me over.
2. how can we be connected to everything if some things are obviously separate from us... such as God, the Void, other people, opposed realities, etc.? could connection or non-connection be an illusion?
3. if i didn't believe in any God, then does that mean no God can exist for me? for anyone else? what about co-existing reality opposition... such as when an atheist meets a believer. which side does "reality" favor?
VS
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Post by Yevathik on Jul 9, 2007 3:59:39 GMT -6
a few questions for you, Amble. and anyone else who might want to take a crack at it.
1. what if the chair behind me was hurled into my back? i would be unaware of its existence before the very real chair knocked me over.
2. how can we be connected to everything if some things are obviously separate from us... such as God, the Void, other people, opposed realities, etc.? could connection or non-connection be an illusion?
3. if i didn't believe in any God, then does that mean no God can exist for me? for anyone else? what about co-existing reality opposition... such as when an atheist meets a believer. which side does "reality" favor?
VS So, if the chair didn't "exist for you", but still knocked you over, then it would have to be made real by someone else observing it (probably the dickhead who threw it )
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Post by jameson on Jul 10, 2007 0:15:46 GMT -6
So, if the chair didn't "exist for you", but still knocked you over, then it would have to be made real by someone else observing it (probably the dickhead who threw it ) Bingo ...Observer Effect cant say quantum physics isn't close to occult theories.Shall we add Schroedinger's Cat to the equation? Your best bet is to use gnosis and not observe the dickhead lol...if only it were that simple.I agree with amble as far as the chair goes to a degree.The catch is you have an immensely large amount of time when reality was drilled into ur mind and beneath it to contend with. That reality meme is HUGE , massive and bigger than the universe in our minds.Unless ur like those dudes in the far east who sit on nails,walk on fire,control thier body temp and metabolism consciously among a host of other things and meditatively make love to void for a billion hours straight, ur not going to un-observe the chair throwing dickhead (i dunno like phase the chair in his hand out of reality or something or make him disappear).Hence the reason rituals consume time and require an altered state.There are ppl who may unconsciously resonate against the reality meme but they're prone to experiencing unexplainable things from eality distortions to psych wards for life.This observation idea works if ur view borderlines epiphenomenalism which if ur a practicioner,it might. In response to your questions Venger-i feel it be best to believe that only yourself exists.And that all observed events are interactions beneath the conscious layer.Self as god so to speak.Its a very introverted view on reality but it has its quirks. 3 things to answer happy's question The void has made me realize nothing matters unless i want it too.Its also made me realize the human mind cannot maintain stability if it goes too close the this concept as real in a short period of time(the hallucinatory hell that consumed me in the winter).Has to be ritualistically instilled gradually. I learned to take the void as "nothing is true,everything is permitted" in terms of a philosophical idea.In other words if i have nothing or reach a state whee i don't care for anything,i have greater potential in that theres a wider amount of possibilities to create or select.When u have nothing to loose,u have EVERYTHING to gain.When u have EVERYTHING (or everything to worry about) there is no more potential to gain. I have also related the concept artistically. As an artist across a variety of mediums,i consider my best stuff to have hit me at random out of nowhere.When u paint or draw or even write a prose,there is no thought,just movement like channeling the void.Or bringing something from nothing so to speak.Art is almost perpetual At least its what i believe.I noticed when i plan what i write...things get bad really fast.
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Post by eratciv on Sept 24, 2007 21:53:46 GMT -6
Perhaps I am mistaken, but what I see from this is that Void and God are equal and opposite but are still inseparable, not unlike the All Is One. Does this mean that everything and nothing could be the same? Also I concur that it is the observer who makes the chair real.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 25, 2007 11:29:47 GMT -6
perhaps...
VS
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Post by AzagDead on Sept 28, 2007 14:23:44 GMT -6
"Does this mean that everything and nothing could be the same?" Everything is as it is. Until it wake from the ancient slumber.
Then what is, is no more.
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Post by Shambling Terror on Oct 20, 2007 15:51:42 GMT -6
Geez... the entire everything on this whole forum is so... ridiculous (but in a good way)!
You know what would make everything you say a lot more meaningful? If you started citing your sources. You know, when you say something like "We are all a part of one entity, and everything around is connected in the same way. So we are part of whatever deity there is" I have no idea where you got that idea, why you think that or why I should believe you. It sounds to me like almost everything being said is just pulled out of one ass or another.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 20, 2007 16:04:26 GMT -6
sorry for not citing our sources. sometimes we just get a bit lazy. wherever a source is not indicated, assume we are quoting or referring back to The Tome of Inescapable Truth.
but seriously, much of this is speculation not fact. how can one talk about facts when discussing metaphysics? the Cult of Cthulhu takes the view that belief is reality... at least a personal, subjective reality. however, that doesn't make it more or less valid than what most people accept as "objective reality".
hope that helps make our forum and religion less ridiculous for you.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Shambling Terror on Oct 20, 2007 16:18:08 GMT -6
sorry for not citing our sources. sometimes we just get a bit lazy. wherever a source is not indicated, assume we are quoting or referring back to The Tome of Inescapable Truth.
but seriously, much of this is speculation not fact. how can one talk about facts when discussing metaphysics? the Cult of Cthulhu takes the view that belief is reality... at least a personal, subjective reality. however, that doesn't make it more or less valid than what most people accept as "objective reality".
hope that helps make our forum and religion less ridiculous for you.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High PriestOh... well, when you put it like that, it actually does. Like... it REALLY does! ...It all makes sense to me now. It is not backed by facts or science, it is backed by reality itself! The essence of all is our proof! All is clear, but at the same time, nothing is known or true! Nothing is all and all is anything or everything! Is this the secret... is this the answer? I thank you for leading me to such a revelation... for now, I ponder. P.S. COOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111eleventymillion
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Post by Madguten on Oct 20, 2007 16:22:00 GMT -6
The Green pope has awakened yet another.
IA! IA!
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Post by Shambling Terror on Oct 20, 2007 22:48:14 GMT -6
The Green pope has awakened yet another. IA! IA! Hah, well, I may have overdramaticized that a bit... I mean, after thinking about it, I suppose there is a chance it's real. Afterall, there's no proof for or against it, but there are an awful lot of people here who do seem to treat it with much seriosity. Although none of this can be proved, I think that the fact that this can not be proved proves that it is true at the same time as proving it doesn't. I don't know what I believe exactly, but I will try to keep an open mind about all this.
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Post by Yevathik on Oct 21, 2007 1:10:16 GMT -6
Oh... well, when you put it like that, it actually does. Like... it REALLY does! ...It all makes sense to me now. It is not backed by facts or science, it is backed by reality itself! The essence of all is our proof! All is clear, but at the same time, nothing is known or true! Nothing is all and all is anything or everything! Is this the secret... is this the answer? I thank you for leading me to such a revelation... for now, I ponder. P.S. COOOOOOLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111111111eleventymillion Wow. Epic epiphany.
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Post by Madguten on Oct 21, 2007 3:09:18 GMT -6
The mere fact that people are openminded. Is quite a big step for humanity.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 21, 2007 10:27:14 GMT -6
yes, a bit like Schroedinger's Cat. until a thing is observed, it is neither in one definite state or another, but is actually both at the same time. it defies ordinary logic and reason.
how strong is one person's belief? potentially, it's as strong as a God's, and that gives the believer extraordinary power.
VS
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Post by ftagndood715 on Oct 22, 2007 21:54:14 GMT -6
(addressed to Maxman280)
Oh come on, its obvious that we're correct. You need but look at the utter chaos around us. The fact that random chance came together and collected to the as-of-then unawakened worldmind. The fact of it is that the whole proof is undeniable and looking you straight in the face. You just don't want to jeopardize your comfortable, clean, safe life and your'e willing to deny the proof that is completly staring you down that the wolrdmind is reawakening and quatzequatl combined with the noneuclidean powers of his jibbering horror will unleashed on th eworld coming to destroy people like you.
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Post by Shambling Terror on Oct 22, 2007 23:52:26 GMT -6
Hey now! I'm perfectly open to the idea of being devoured by a large, incomprehensible god-like entity that I could never truly understand; I just happen to be in the "questioning" stage. You do, however, bring up some good points... plus, if I want to die in any particular manner, it's by having my brain melted by some sort of amazing, fantastical horror that is Cthulhu and all of his greatness.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 23, 2007 0:06:42 GMT -6
a lot of people interpret Cthulhu's Awakening as just that... a time of devouring and the annihilation of the human race. that's strange because HPL never mentions anything like that in his stories. perhaps human beings instinctively know that such a time will come to pass? the fully realized Aeon of Cthulhu will certainly be apocalyptic, but not in the way most people think. Cthulhu may not ever appear in our dimension physically. He may resign himself to working through artists, sensitives, and dreamers from Outside.
although, maybe the human parts of ourselves will be stripped clean from our flesh after all?
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Shambling Terror on Oct 23, 2007 0:12:08 GMT -6
a lot of people interpret Cthulhu's Awakening as just that... a time of devouring and the annihilation of the human race. that's strange because HPL never mentions anything like that in his stories. perhaps human beings instinctively know that such a time will come to pass? the fully realized Aeon of Cthulhu will certainly be apocalyptic, but not in the way most people think. Cthulhu may not ever appear in our dimension physically. He may resign himself to working through artists, sensitives, and dreamers from Outside.
although, maybe the human parts of ourselves will be stripped clean from our flesh after all?
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
Well, even if it isn't mentioned, it's still an interesting concept that is pretty likely... I mean, even if Cthulhu is a super intelligent ultra-being, I doubt he would be so opposed as to a light breakfast.
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Post by eratciv on Oct 23, 2007 20:52:59 GMT -6
I believe that Cthulhu and the Old Ones will give us what what we want not necessarily what we need. Read a sci-fi novel called Recursions. If you want to become like a god you may. If you want Great Cthulhu to kill you, he may.
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Post by ethermind on Nov 22, 2007 22:41:21 GMT -6
I wonder to myself sometimes if void is simply that bridge between a world completely incomprehendable to us. void is simply there between our cosmos and another because not even a divine maker could quite make right a buffer betwitst the two completely different realities. So, it was left void. Just a theory.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 23, 2007 13:45:35 GMT -6
that's a strong theory. maybe there are always lines of void between various holographic realities? maybe void is just beyond illusion?
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Post by Beelzabob on Jan 19, 2008 1:26:36 GMT -6
a few questions for you, Amble. and anyone else who might want to take a crack at it.
1. what if the chair behind me was hurled into my back? i would be unaware of its existence before the very real chair knocked me over.
2. how can we be connected to everything if some things are obviously separate from us... such as God, the Void, other people, opposed realities, etc.? could connection or non-connection be an illusion?
3. if i didn't believe in any God, then does that mean no God can exist for me? for anyone else? what about co-existing reality opposition... such as when an atheist meets a believer. which side does "reality" favor?
VS In my case I can summarize all of this as simply as; My dog that I have had for fifteen years died. He is gone yet his presence and his concept still are so strong that I find myself waking to feed him. Not a month later my pumpkin sitting black dream watcher, Skizzy cat died as well. He was 20. I feel him watching me while I sleep even though I buried him my self. Maybe it is just subjective and only affects my reality. They are both gone and yet still very much here in my mind. Everything and nothing. Nothing and everything. Void. Devoid?
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Post by leslie on Feb 3, 2008 22:20:01 GMT -6
Is it not true in Sorcery that the experience is only "real" to the one who experienced it? I think that if a chair was hurled at you in the back from out of no place. You would have a hard time explaining that story to anyone outside of who might have been present during the time of the incident. A Sorcerer believes nothing until he experienced it for himself. Forgive me if my past understanding of sorcery is a bit different? I am excited to learn more. Also, sorry if what I am now saying is similar to what has already been stated above me. Thank you, Leslie
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Post by azazel218 on Jul 24, 2009 4:26:44 GMT -6
If the "void" or "Abyss" is essentially acausal then it is merely lying somewhat dormant until such time that Humans gather the energy to open the gates, or chaos does it for itself.
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Post by whatsupable on Jul 25, 2009 13:07:04 GMT -6
i believe in the reality is personal because you hear so many times people have seen a spirit or ghost or god or whatever you name it. then they name it to something in the padigram lie a xtian would call it a angel and a Indian a sun god. than the mind things after the shock this was a ... and it goes back to its normal state the void i see as a place or force that i strive to get or have or go to pretty much like you strive to get awaken i connected this 2 things whit eachother the magical uses of the void there can be made something in it or destroyed or be taken out or putted in so in magical use pretty much something to create in mine 2 cent on it please ask questions on it if you don't understand something of it
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Post by Izratan'Sharaz on Aug 5, 2009 8:54:54 GMT -6
As about the void I believe when we the chosen few pass through we will be something more than human, more alien in a sence but to those who dont believe will be the same pre-evolved humans....but we wont know until it happens. I cant wait to shed this mortal flesh vessel. Ia Ia cthulhu.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Aug 8, 2009 22:35:31 GMT -6
I view the Void, and the Abyss as different things. The Void is a lack of things, an emptiness, the Abyss IS a thing. Kinda like what ethermind said. I view the Void as the gap, the great Gulf between the things that are, and the Abyss. The Abyss is a dark place of exile and loneliness - a place of black contemplations.
But knowledge of the Void hasn't really altered the way I live my life, it's just made me more aware of certain aspects of being... and not-being.
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