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Post by Lord Void Bharam'ka on Aug 16, 2009 16:16:57 GMT -6
How has the idea of Void, changed your interactions with reality? nothing is solid anymore... for me things always have a "dream haze" to it now... as if I can almost see through things... there is no difference between reality, dream, and hallucination... All are experiences... real or not... it makes no difference... they hold equal weight in consciousness... Consciousness = Nothingness Nothing = Everything (PS I'm a Burn-Out... that may have an additional influence)
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Post by jasmine on Aug 19, 2009 16:55:50 GMT -6
The void is not empty. As I float within it I feel my Self. My I AM. It is nameless and complete...but as I float within that awareness of I AM, I become aware of something else here...it is the stirring. The infinite potential of all that is possible. All paths start here. All paths end here. I am the void. I am nameless and complete. I am infinite potential. (This is how I experience the void, I feel that it is where I am most powerful...but in the moment of expressing a desire...you lose most of that potential power...because you have limited it. By giving it definition...still working on how to get around that.)
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Post by Tehiru.Chalal on Aug 19, 2009 23:58:24 GMT -6
The Void is a lack of things, an emptiness, the Abyss IS a thing. Kinda like what ethermind said. I view the Void as the gap, the great Gulf between the things that are, and the Abyss. The Abyss is a dark place of exile and loneliness - a place of black contemplations. The void does not imply lack of structure. More than that, let's make this simpler. Void is not the absence of things, it is the lack of anything that is not one's own self. I have three hebrew words for you to consider in light of my statement: 1. tzimtzum 2. tehiru 3. chalal
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 20, 2009 9:24:31 GMT -6
are you familiar with the writings of Thomas Ligotti? he created his own Great Old One called The Tsalal. probably related to chalal; Tsalal supposedly translates as endarkenment.
VS
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Post by sin on Aug 21, 2009 7:15:11 GMT -6
The way I interpret it, the entities are us - dormant. Once they awaken, true self - the will self, rises. So perhaps the devouring of the 'flesh' or the human race is stripping away of that false sense of identity. While we see ourselves as small in the scheme of things, we are truly giants in a cyclopian city.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Sept 1, 2009 15:12:24 GMT -6
I never said it did. I just said it's a lack of things. Who's to say we can't have structured nothingness? I believe it's more than quite possible. Besides, everyone will view the Void in different ways, as we see here in this thread. No one's wrong within their own realities.
I like that. Nice metaphor for our evolution and perfection.
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Post by Blackness of Darkness on Oct 27, 2009 16:25:30 GMT -6
I do trust Newton; all events that occur can have an equal or opposite reaction (As far as Void and the Concept of God). However, reality is a different issue with me. It is pleasing for some to believe that reality is subjective, that it is what you make of it -- in my opinion, that is simply not true. If someone throws a chair at me, and it hits me, but I do not know that it is a chair, does not mean the chair does not exist, even for me, based on what is real. My perspectives in the event can only tell me that something has hit me, ignorant of what the thing actually is. If there is an apple in front of my face, and I cannot see, feel or smell it, that does not mean it is non-existent. It only means that I have no way of identifying it. And just because one might be unable to identify or observe something, does not discredit its existence. The application is very practical to me; and it makes much more sense than saying what we create in our imaginative minds is real, rather that what is actually there, is real. Again, it is my logical opinion that reality is objective -- and seeing as the human race has much to learn about this universe, mystifying reality does not help to further our comprehension. Don't be offended, I am just stating my opinion. I hope someone agrees!
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Post by LostSoul on Oct 28, 2009 10:07:47 GMT -6
No offense taken. Newtonian applications are very genuine; no doubt. But, logic(as in logical applications) doesn't necessarily apply to faith...Let alone the dark arts.
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Post by Blackness of Darkness on Oct 28, 2009 17:05:02 GMT -6
I understand. I am sure, however, that over the ages we have all seen what 'was' magic(k) has come to be phenomena or events that can be and still are being discovered by science. Science IS, however again, falsifiable; and be that as it may, it still leaves the issue that, for logical purposes, we simply may not at this present time, have tools to identify and examine other certain phenomena and events that occur. The universe is vast; and what we do not know of it is Darkness to us. But until we are able to delve into that darkness, we are left with mystical minds, as to what is there -- that being 'out there' as well as within ourselves. I am not trying to discredit magick, don't misunderstand me. The human machine is so complex and glorious a creation, there is no telling what our ever-expanding minds and complicated bodies can accomplish. I for one, am fascinated with Lovecraftian Dreamworking and astral tethering. In reference to the Old Ones, as far as Necronomicon realms (labyrinths of Zin), the dreamworlds beyond our physical world of awareness requires the embrace of the Darkness -- that being what is NOT known. I'm quite intrigued, and looking forward to future workings in the Black Arts. OP, good thread.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 28, 2009 20:09:39 GMT -6
On a purely physical perception basis yes, the reality experienced my one will be the reality experienced by another. A hat is a hat is a hat. However the subjectivity of reality isn't restrained to a purely physical concept in such a sense. But also runs through the emotional and mental centers. I think most would agree that we each have individual emotional perceptions of an event.
When you say "The application is very practical to me; and it makes much more sense than saying what we create in our imaginative minds is real, rather that what is actually there, is real," maybe you mean theistic belief in lovecraftian deities? If you do then the general idea is personal. An individual personally believes in Cthulhu or whatever, so to them individually the beast is as real as anything. This may serve no purpose on a grand scale, but for the individual cthulhu is as effective a tool as any.
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Post by Blackness of Darkness on Oct 29, 2009 20:16:10 GMT -6
Such an interesting reply! You leave me with many thoughts! I am happy. Though this may be of my own personal perspective, I think an element such as 'Darkness' requires a sight beyond human perspective. We dare not subject something, like 'Darkness', which could be anything and NOTHING at the same time, to something as highly misunderstood as human perception. This is why I think the task of understanding true darkness, and being able to enlighten one-self on the nature of ultimate darkness requires understanding beyond the capability of our human mind. How much could we possibly process of something so grand or minute, so beautiful or terrible? What would our minds do? Try to mold darkness into something we could understand, and that may not be what is true, considering upon observation, whether it be physical, mental or astral, we have to place what we find SOMEWHERE, so that we can even try to understand. I realize the words are really jambled and indiscreet; but I can't really put into words what I am thinking. What I am trying to say, in short, is that understanding the deep black would require such an elevated state of consciousness, that it's possible to lose yourself in the endeavor. If we were to look into darkness, with the eyes of our 'spirit' or consciouness, and try to absorb it, would be even be ourselves afterwards? It's so daunting! I thought that if I read Exploring the Unnamable in the Labyrinths of Zin would help me through his process. But there are things that would get in the way by those methods. This task would require a release of one's humanity, but I just don't know how to do that! I am human! Nor, have I found anyone else to accomplish this magnificent mental test. Or at least to my knowledge, I have found no one. I do understand what you are saying, and I agree -- but I am looking to a fashion of existence beyond or that is not of what a human can 'dream' up or imagine; I am looking for perception beyond human consciousness... I think I have a lot of work to do. Thanks for reading shaz. May the Old Ones fill you with the blackness of the Eternal Void. Tarak Losj
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