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Post by youma on Sept 7, 2007 8:18:59 GMT -6
Jameson's previous post would probably be offensive to someone who haven't read his other posts. He's looking for something, something he needs to understand about himself or the world, and sometimes he sounds desperate about it. Sometimes he says he's desperate, too. That a distressed person will get angsty at times is normal.
I only hope that this turmoil doesn't cause you to treat your mother and sister with contempt in real life, Jameson. Dealing with a troubled person everyday is unrewarding enough without throwing a bad attitude in the mix.
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Post by jameson on Sept 7, 2007 9:07:39 GMT -6
Im as indifferent to my sister as my brother but I treat with mother with respect,more so than even my father.I'd never hurt anyone in my family.
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Post by youma on Sept 7, 2007 19:33:30 GMT -6
Good! If you can handle your current trouble without hurting the ones close to you, you have more strengh than it looked at first.
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Post by glade on Oct 11, 2007 19:49:33 GMT -6
I have no problem with polygamy nor with my partner having multiple partners.
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Post by misterkevin on Oct 12, 2007 10:37:04 GMT -6
I find this topic very interesting. In particular, specific generalizations about the nature of men being more sexually charged than women or the default nature of relationships being monogamous are, to me, both funny and bewildering. The former is rooted in generations-old western European family dynamics with the man earning for a clan outside of the household and a woman at home to cook, clean, rear children, and serve the needs of "her man." The monogamy fallacy causes many breakups and divorces. Why do we cling to the very things which cause pain and suffering? It seems to me that it it might not be unusual for any sexual person's fantasy to have multiple sequential partners. We are mutable. We might sometimes want vanilla but other times want something darker and more potent when it comes to sex. In fact, consider the way Americans tend to idolize Hef, even into his seventies. He objectifies his girlfriends, and they are intoxicated by his money and power. It's only our socialization and culture that imbues monogamy as some sort of ideal. Yet we hold the Casanova out as icon. Paradoxical. It also makes perfect sense that we might enjoy multiple partners at once: that our pure presence was enough to send our objects' desires into overdrive and that we are sexual rulers. What an ego boost and aphrodisiac! I've separately discussed the male/female thing as troublesome with VS, especially if you consider it "default." As a polyamorous gay man, there's certainly nothing default about it for me. And to label it a default since heterosexuality is in the majority I also find silly, especially within the context of this niche-within-a-niche cult / philosophy group. It's like picking and choosing when to subvert the dominant paradigm and when to support it, as best befits the individual. Should our choices make logical sense or just advance a temporary urge, regardless of consistency? In my ideal world, we could all fuck each other, regardless of gender, orientation, or cultural imperatives. I find some women particularly sexy, even if I'm not physically attracted to them. I wouldn't have to close my eyes and fantasize if I were being pleasured by multiple women, either. I just have a preference for men and I entertain it. Personally, I also find it absurd that one person could ever fulfill all of the needs of another; it's really asking the impossible. After having been 25 years with the same person, he and I understand that paths diverge, tastes change, and we are ultimately free beings. As much as I want my government out of my bedroom, I'd also like others forces out from proscribing what's best, default, or condoned when it comes to sex. Of course, if I were supreme leader of a cult and I had a fantasy and I could assert it as "the way," what better method for luring like-minded partners into my bed?
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 12, 2007 11:07:57 GMT -6
do i expect a particular proclivity to be embraced just because i suggest it? not really. while i believe heterosexual male-dominant polygamy is a great option (at least for me and people similar to me), i don't see it as "the new standard" or even "the best possible alternative".
it works for me and if it's even agreeable for 60% of the population, then i think it's worth exploring and advocating.
just because i don't consider homosexuality in my plan doesn't mean i'm discriminating against it. i rarely think about having meatloaf because i don't care for it. does that mean by not putting meatloaf on the CoC menu i'm against people eating meatloaf? of course not. same thing goes with people who are gay or necrophiliacs or architects. out of sight, out of mind... not a condemnation of certain preferences.
does the color indigo get all mad because it's not represented in the gay pride rainbow? i doubt it.
however, if someone wanted to officially join the Cult and put forth their gay agenda while supporting the Cthonic paradigm as a whole, then i'm all for it.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by misterkevin on Oct 12, 2007 11:36:45 GMT -6
To clarify, I don't see my point of view as particularly different from yours.
Bottom line, I think polygamy makes more sense (regardless of the genders of those involved) and serves a higher personal goal.
I also understand that you do not condemn my behaviors. However, in the interest of a greater world view, I assert a deviation from the moral and a pursuit of the carnal as a means for personal fulfillment.
A final clarification: that I reveal my sexuality is not an attempt to advance a "gay agenda" any more than your fantasies about Laebya advance the heterosexual.
I've got some way to go before officially joining. I'd better understand the Mythos in greater detail. However, there's something ineffable here drawing me in, and I want to explore it. It's not my intention to advance an alternative agenda within this forum and the greater group, only insofar as it might serve my own personal purposes.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 12, 2007 13:00:58 GMT -6
i know. just wanted to set the record straight (so to speak). as you say, nothing wrong with agendas as long as they serve one's purposes. who's Laebya?
if you have a specific Mythos question, or just want to brain storm / free associate, then i hope you will start another thread in whatever board you feel is most appropriate. the Mythos is a vague and mysterious cosmology; it patiently waits for penetrating divers.
VS
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Nov 29, 2007 11:01:48 GMT -6
Well, I am not sure what to put ,I am in a single loving relationship with a girl and monogamus about it. Anyway I was born a hermaphrodite(someone born with both genders that is although I have a little deformity though).This does in ways effect my sexual appetite I am not a sex addict and I am satisified with just one partner at this time as much as she is satisfied with me.
But as for others into this sort of thing,I totally support it for them and dont have anything against it because that is their personal choices.But I do see why some people would embrace this because it will help for pleasure, release a lot of pent up stress,emotions,etc. and give expression of themselves. This is a reason why a lot of people cheat on their spouses because they arent getting what they need physically and spiritually(including emotions).
I have tried this before,the only downfall that happened the girls that I had for that reason obiviously fell in love with me and I was like "Oh Shit!" because that wasnt my intention.
However, my thoughts and views on polygamy is for the individual to find expression,release of stress,emotions and pleasure.
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Post by dustedwings84 on Dec 11, 2007 0:37:04 GMT -6
When it comes to non-married/non-civil-unioned people: I see nothing wrong with any sexual activities/preferences so long as all individuals involved are 18 or over and consenting humans. When it comes to married/civil-unioned people: same as above only as long as everyone feels right with it. If someone feels polygamy is right for them and their life partner agrees, by all means why not? This is if no children are involved. I'm not saying it's wrong if children are involved, I just am not sure how I feel on the matter. Never thought of it before. As for my own personal relationship, we are opposite-sex monogamous. I'm not sure what the exact wording is for it or if it even exists ( I'm sure it does though), but I don't want my husband having sex with another woman, and he does not want me to have sex with another man. We are both mutually exclusive in this. However, I feel it is alright for him to have sex with another man, and he feels it is fine for me to have sex with another woman, so long as our extra partners do not interfere with our sex life between each other. The problem with this is he is heterosexual whereas I am pansexual. So far I feel no need to seek a woman in my relationship. I am happy with my husband and I don't have much sex drive as it is so last thing I need is two people begging me for sex It's more a philosophy than a lifestyle choice for us. My best friend at work, a gay boy, thinks that just because I'm bisexual ( I identify as bisexual in casual conversation because it doesn't require explanation, whereas most people have never heard of pansexual) I need two people to satisfy me. I hate this generalization, as it is not true.
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Post by mari66 on Aug 15, 2008 5:06:31 GMT -6
The ancient Celts had an answerfor those that wanted to get some extra spice once a year, on Beltane it was suppose to have been the time when men and women slept in the fields with a different partner of their choice.
It was suppose to be the Sacred Marriage between the Goddess and her consort, thus people were honoring her in a magickal sex ceremony.
I read somewhere that the Celts married for a year and a day, and if it didnt work out they just went their own way.
But marriage was created to be really a legal contract more than anything, it was used to combine properties and money.
Maria
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Post by mari66 on Aug 15, 2008 5:38:23 GMT -6
Well, I am not sure what to put ,I am in a single loving relationship with a girl and monogamus about it. Anyway I was born a hermaphrodite(someone born with both genders that is although I have a little deformity though).This does in ways effect my sexual appetite I am not a sex addict and I am satisified with just one partner at this time as much as she is satisfied with me. But as for others into this sort of thing,I totally support it for them and dont have anything against it because that is their personal choices.But I do see why some people would embrace this because it will help for pleasure, release a lot of pent up stress,emotions,etc. and give expression of themselves. This is a reason why a lot of people cheat on their spouses because they arent getting what they need physically and spiritually(including emotions). I have tried this before,the only downfall that happened the girls that I had for that reason obiviously fell in love with me and I was like "Oh Shit!" because that wasnt my intention. However, my thoughts and views on polygamy is for the individual to find expression,release of stress,emotions and pleasure. I agree with you there. Emotions are suprising things, its hard to control another person's reactions as it is to control the outcome of a relationship. Some people can have casual sex and not care about the other person, guess thats fine, but I know from experience that does get boring after awhile. Sex on its own is pretty mechanical, to me its so much better if you have some kind of affection along with the desire for that person.....then if you do, thats when the emotions of possession and jealousy come to play, you want that person exclusively for yourself. Its a catch-22 situation all around. Personally I wouldnt mind another man in my life, but I doubt my partner would agree. Maria
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 15, 2008 14:54:09 GMT -6
sounds exactly like the (original) film, Wickerman. great occult movie starring Christopher Lee.
VS
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Post by mari66 on Aug 15, 2008 15:21:28 GMT -6
sounds exactly like the (original) film, Wickerman. great occult movie starring Christopher Lee.
VS You know I have yet to see that movie, oddly enough since I enjoy those old horror films from the 1970's. I a big Hammer Films fan, love those vampire/frankenstein movies with Christopher Lee and Peter Cushing. Not to mention the movies about the Edgar Allen Poe tales with Vincent Price. The funny thing about the wife swapping that went on in the ancient Celtic times really doesnt compare to the adultery that went on in the following centuries. The tales of Cassanova is a fine example of what was normal in the 17th and 18th century. Most of our puritanical views comes from the very sexual repressed Victorian Age, when double standards was the norm,with the men visting cat houses while their wives pretended not to notice.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 15, 2008 15:45:49 GMT -6
indeed. tell me you've seen The Haunted Palace!
since we're talking about Hammer films, that last sentence reminded me of Taste the Blood of Dracula. those 3 gentlemen who went out for their weekly debauchery... uh, i mean charity work.
"it was my Will."
VS
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Post by mari66 on Aug 15, 2008 16:23:51 GMT -6
indeed. tell me you've seen The Haunted Palace! since we're talking about Hammer films, that last sentence reminded me of Taste the Blood of Dracula. those 3 gentlemen who went out for their weekly debauchery... uh, i mean charity work. "it was my Will." VSI have "The Haunted Palace,Tales of Terror,the tower of London,The Tomb of Ligeia,and An Evening of Edgar Allen Poe"...all on DVD. Ah, "Taste the Blood of Dracula"....such a wonderfully decadent tale of sexual supression exploding with blood and buffon haired girls with tight dresses overflowing with cleavage. Did I hit the nail on that one?? ;D Also have a nice collection on DVD that includes that movie.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 15, 2008 21:25:24 GMT -6
indeed you did.
VS
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Post by eklektikos on Jan 29, 2009 19:58:33 GMT -6
Yes, I do believe polyamoury is natural. Aradia says that one should not confuse sex and love. I believe that you can love many people I CERTAINLY believe that one can have sex with many people. ;D Although if one does have the desire to get married, I, of course, concur. Just do whatever you want.
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Post by Iven'gahteen on Feb 7, 2009 0:57:40 GMT -6
As I have been changing and growing a a Wizard of the terrible darkness, polygamy seems to fullfill me more or just fit my life. I am only on the outskirts of this exploration. I will post more as Iexplore. I never thought it would suit me, but it does seem to make it easier for me now. But like so many have said, its up to the people involved.
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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Feb 7, 2009 1:42:59 GMT -6
As I have been changing and growing a a Wizard of the terrible darkness, polygamy seems to fullfill me more or just fit my life. I am only on the outskirts of this exploration. I will post more as Iexplore. I never thought it would suit me, but it does seem to make it easier for me now. But like so many have said, its up to the people involved. I think you might mean en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PolyamoryI don't see polygamy suiting anyone's lifestyle, unless you are an Arab Oil Baron and need multiple wives. I think people need to be clear on these things. I think most red blooded young men, just want to fuck as many chicks as they can, they just dont' want the hassles that comes with relationship. Whereas Polyamory is actually having multiple relationships. Polygamy is one step further where one guy has more than one wife (Or reverse the sexes, chick with more than one husband). My advice to young guys, Sow your royal oats whilst you can, get all the fucking out of the way.... then you will probably appreciate a long term monogamous relationship more when you are older.
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Post by I AM the Way on Feb 7, 2009 9:51:13 GMT -6
well, polygamy or plural marriage is not legal in the U.S., so for now i agree that polyamory is the way to go. however, after sowing those wild oats... playing the field, etc. it is my hope that Cultists will settle down with somewhere between 3 and 9 "wives" in long term and eventually legal relationships. if that is their choice...
VS
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Feb 7, 2009 14:03:16 GMT -6
When it comes to non-married/non-civil-unioned people: I see nothing wrong with any sexual activities/preferences so long as all individuals involved are 18 or over and consenting humans. When it comes to married/civil-unioned people: same as above only as long as everyone feels right with it. If someone feels polygamy is right for them and their life partner agrees, by all means why not? This is if no children are involved. I'm not saying it's wrong if children are involved, I just am not sure how I feel on the matter. Never thought of it before. As for my own personal relationship, we are opposite-sex monogamous. I'm not sure what the exact wording is for it or if it even exists ( I'm sure it does though), but I don't want my husband having sex with another woman, and he does not want me to have sex with another man. We are both mutually exclusive in this. However, I feel it is alright for him to have sex with another man, and he feels it is fine for me to have sex with another woman, so long as our extra partners do not interfere with our sex life between each other. The problem with this is he is heterosexual whereas I am pansexual. So far I feel no need to seek a woman in my relationship. I am happy with my husband and I don't have much sex drive as it is so last thing I need is two people begging me for sex It's more a philosophy than a lifestyle choice for us. My best friend at work, a gay boy, thinks that just because I'm bisexual ( I identify as bisexual in casual conversation because it doesn't require explanation, whereas most people have never heard of pansexual) I need two people to satisfy me. I hate this generalization, as it is not true. Hehe me and my wife have the same views.. she's "bisexual", and I'm Heterosexual, but I tell her that she can mess with other women because it's a whole nother ballpark. She said I could do a guy, but like I said it's not my style so I have to decline. But since we started living together, she have only slept with me, and hasnt needed a woman yet.
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Post by Iven'gahteen on Feb 7, 2009 22:33:10 GMT -6
Yeah, well put. I got my definitions mixed up. Thats for the clarification. Multiple wives and me is a nada ! > I do agree about the appreciating monogamy as you get older.
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Post by sin on Feb 9, 2009 8:33:11 GMT -6
I'm always looking for a few good men :-)
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Post by martin on Feb 9, 2009 14:52:12 GMT -6
There's no such thing. We're all Bams ;D
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Post by Narlool L'Pah on Feb 10, 2009 3:20:38 GMT -6
I'm always looking for a few good men :-) I just had some pretty porno thoughts involving Cora then.... Pity I'm taken
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Post by glade on Feb 11, 2009 12:11:14 GMT -6
Whatever I need to further the purpose of the cult. Whatever the Dark Lord would intend. The others, Fuck them.
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Post by librabys on Feb 17, 2009 23:41:32 GMT -6
One thing this does show: god has a slappy sense of humour. ''Look around you: it is obvious: god is a crazy woman'' (Robert Anton Wilson speaking about Eris) HAHahaha
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Post by sin on Feb 23, 2009 10:13:23 GMT -6
One thing this does show: god has a slappy sense of humour. ''Look around you: it is obvious: god is a crazy woman'' (Robert Anton Wilson speaking about Eris) HAHahaha *lol* True dat.
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Post by sin on Feb 23, 2009 10:13:53 GMT -6
I'm always looking for a few good men :-) I just had some pretty porno thoughts involving Cora then.... Pity I'm taken Taken, shmaken! lol
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