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Post by eratciv on Oct 24, 2007 16:18:35 GMT -6
I don't know that soul searching ever ends at least it hasn't yet for me.
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Post by void on Oct 25, 2007 4:50:55 GMT -6
Thanks, Madguten, glad to be here.
There really is alot of ground to cover in the coming days, loads of idea's and concepts to get my head around...nice.
On soulsearcing, it probably won't end during a persons life( unless you get something like altzheimers or wind up in a coma)but it does kinda narrow the path at times.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 25, 2007 9:56:35 GMT -6
archetypes reach beyond fantasy. all ideas, from the romantic to the pedantic, inform our reality... how we act and react and maneuver through the world.
if i do whatever i have to in order to reach my goals, then does that make me a villain? what if i'm not concerned about trampling people in my way? how about if i voluntarily seek out the darker, seamier side of life? are these villainous aspects or simply fantastical delusions? who judges... you?
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by void on Oct 25, 2007 11:57:26 GMT -6
I thought the people on this forum would understand what I meant. As an archetype the villain sounds "cool", bad,dark, misunderstood and all that dribble...Satan( insert finger movements here) and all that. Lucifer was a rebel going against the norm, if he was anything apart from that, he was an anti hero. He personifies wisdom, not stupidity, that is the role of Jesus. The GOO are beyond that, they personify anti humanity, complete chaos. Villains are weak people that think they are strong because they inflict pain on others weaker than them, now that's really something to live up to!
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Post by jasmine on Oct 26, 2007 11:01:50 GMT -6
What is a villain to you anyway? It would seem that our perspectives differ. What makes one considered a villain in one society is a hero to the next. To use a controversial historical villain. How about Hitler? To some he was an insane madman and to others he was as a god. I have no romantic ideals about villains. I simply feel that it would be difficult to do so as what constitutes a villain to one is not for another. I respect the villainous outlook as one of being more truly oneself. Regardless of societal norms, the villain accepts the darkness within himself and uses it for his own ends. I think we are fascinated by serial killers because we are at heart essentially jealous. They are actualizing themselves….they do not deny what they are. What I am trying to say is that to me…the hero and the anti-hero are still trying to do things by the “common” mindset for the “common” good. They are not truly free. To me the villain is, as he has cast off all constraint and is embracing himself, whatever that true self may be. It all comes back to thine own self be true. I like my Dark Passenger he helps me see the way.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 26, 2007 13:46:51 GMT -6
beautiful Dexter reference. i let my dark passenger drive most of the time, he's used to taking the wheel.
the ice beneath your feet could not be any thinner, void. i'm a straw on the proverbial camel's back away from just banning you. contrary opinions are welcome, but don't be an asshole about it.
in the last couple days of your first dozen posts, you've decided to insult me three times rather than attempt to find any common ground or effectively communicate using the forum. if you wish to continue to post here, then please realize that your presence is not required here but your civility, respect, and mindfulness is.
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Post by eratciv on Oct 26, 2007 13:56:44 GMT -6
Void, please don't inflict your morality on us. Many here have values different from you and just because you believe something to be a villain doesn't mean some of us won't consider it a god. I don't mean to be hostile you just seem a bit too rigged in your beliefs.
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Post by Tehiru.Chalal on Oct 26, 2007 19:26:06 GMT -6
Villain, victim, hero... interesting choices. Unfortunately, all are bad choices, being at best a tradeoff. The role of hero vs. villain boils down to "us against them" and are ultimately meaningless in other than a purely literary sense. Similarly observer or victim are largely moot.
I partake in some of the qualities of many of the choices given, but all are insufficient to varying degrees. I see myself (magically and otherwise) as the Heirophant. Not to be confused with the maunderings of British drug addicts or the "flap your wings harder" contingent of "White Lighters" I have run across, but more in the historical sense.
As the Heirophant I make decisions, and implent plans to bring those decisions to reality. This may be selectively providing information to friends to lead their magickal experiments into a line of reasoning akin to mine, enacting courses of research to find a better method for accomplishing something, or organizing others to assist me. Aside from the Heirophant, the term Engineer would also be appropriate.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 27, 2007 11:20:36 GMT -6
the choices given allow for certain information to be known. other choices, other categories would allow for different information... not necessarily better or worse.
a Hierophant may be how you see yourself in an idealized sort of way, but then most of us would rather give ourselves impressive titles rather than risk seeing our many "I's" in a negative light. i could call myself a Hierophant or an Engineer, but what would that tell people? what does it really mean? what is behind it?
want new choices? start a new thread. however, the ones here are staying; i find these current choices to be particularly elucidating.
VS
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Post by void on Oct 28, 2007 14:41:20 GMT -6
Mr.Venger, it's very hard to reply towards you without becoming what you consider insulting. I've done about a dozen versions of this mail and fail every single time, which says alot about my particular nature, I guess( or my skills in clouding it with lies and bullshit, or stupidity or inability to grasp The Higher Concept, or whatever you think suits your frame of thought) Thin ice and backbreaking straws aside, it feels like walking on eggs and I ain't chicken. From the judgemental question of the master, to the acolytes feces and rigid frame of mind insinuations to the blatant return of the brown hole...what is an insult and when is it taken? I for one expect something else from this forum, not the other side of a very old silver coin. Not the same old "evil" take on the left hand path once again, we're supposed to move away from a religious belief system, from moral restrictions...Beyond good and evil Nietzsche wrote, to a point were all our "selves/I's" act as one, doing what MUST be done for the ALL. The idea of the übermensch/superhuman has nothing to do with race, colour or belief, but with the hope of losing our simple, failing value system, base instincts and Ego and growing into a society that acts instead of thinks about what faces us on a daily basis. That could be mass genocide leading to world peace in a single day. Any form of art, that can make us expand our thoughts, helps us along on our journey towards becoming, real or fantasy, is a tool of value. I'm sorry for this ranting, it goes from left to right to nowhere, but it is 1 instead of many. So count your blessings
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 28, 2007 17:44:25 GMT -6
an insult, like pornography, is something that one just knowns when one sees it. i suppose when a criticism unnecessarily goes further than it should without including the reasoning behind it; then the words becomes insulting. for instance, i could say, "void, your posts are abrasive even though they are at times thoughtful. if you could come across as less of an asshole, i'd be much obliged and happy for your continued posting." or i could say, "void, you sound like an asshole."
i think most people will agree that the first is honest criticism while the second is just an insult. perhaps elaboration is the key? at any rate, more of the former and less of the latter.
yes, Nietzsche preached going beyond good and evil. however, he also preached about whipping women, training men for war, the difference between Master and slave morality, and the inherent stupidity of people. all very "evil", Satanic concepts.
while the Cult of Cthulhu is a new kind of religion, it is still a religion. i can't deny that. and i do, like everyone else here, what must be done...
VS
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Post by eratciv on Oct 29, 2007 15:58:08 GMT -6
Do we have a thread about Nietzsche already? If not we should start one because I too have some interesting points of his to discuss.
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Post by ethermind on Nov 22, 2007 22:59:55 GMT -6
Hero
Lets get one thing straight, I am an idealist. And I will fight for my ideals, no matter what the cost. No matter the opposition, I am a hero in my eyes, not for others, but for myself.
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Post by derekdark on Nov 26, 2007 11:13:34 GMT -6
To be honesty, I see me as Vilain! I love Evil power! That's my food! I always make strange dream since I practise your magick from your book! Some are iniatories dreams with creatures from the deep of my subconscious. I think to be one of those Demon! Derek
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Post by dustedwings84 on Dec 11, 2007 0:45:07 GMT -6
Hero Anti-Hero Villain Observer Victim Hmm... tough call... I take on the roll of all of the above daily. Which would I be better suited? Probably Villain, Anti-Hero, and Hero. I don't think I identify as a Victim since everything that happens to me shapes who I am. To regret doing or experiencing something is to desire ignorance. I know it seems strange chosing Villain and Hero both, but I am strange I believe in doing what I need to do in order to obtain what I want/need, so long as no one is harmed, regardless of what laws may be broken. The harmed part is subjective to each individual case though. Also, I LOVE helping people. I get great satisfaction from making others happy.
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Dec 11, 2007 1:06:24 GMT -6
I think that's the role of Jesus in the stereotypic Satanist mindset only. Yeah, there's "a little bit" of flock mentality involved, but I don't think Jesus was nearly as stupid some people would like to believe.
The webcomic Sinfest does a really fine job satirizing all these roles of religious fanatic, villain, vixen etc. ;D
About my view of myself, well... read the introduction topic first. I don't think I have a concrete view of myself at the moment, only a force that is proceeding in a direction at varying speeds. Currently I'm breaking my previous speed limits at least on thought level. I leave judging me for others at the moment.
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Post by Madguten on Dec 12, 2007 7:43:21 GMT -6
Hero Anti-Hero Villain Observer Victim
I agree a lot with this here post.
Perhaps we are both Theosophists, i think that is the most precise term for this world view. Welcome to the forum, by the way.
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