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Post by Crow of Coal on Mar 4, 2007 10:55:43 GMT -6
I saw this section before I even made an account, and I thought it was a brilliant question. Finally, I'll answer it. While I wish to be a villain, and I admire villains, I'm an anti-hero. The phrase "Do unto others as others do unto you" is completly anti-hero, in my opinion, though some others might call me a villain (I've been called a dictator by three seperate people), but I suppose the anti-hero often is thought of as a villain by those who don't know his entire past.
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Post by nomed on Apr 11, 2007 19:05:53 GMT -6
I think I am a mix between the Anti-hero and the Villain. Ill help those in need (if i like them) and leave those who I dislike to suffer horribly and even be the cause of their torture at times. anyway, that's my view on myself.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Apr 16, 2007 20:17:45 GMT -6
Anti-Hero/Observer
I divide myself because i feel i have not yet fallen into one perticular class of person. Also i have never benn a great decsion maker.
shail
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Post by laughingdead on Apr 22, 2007 5:57:55 GMT -6
I really cant fall into any single label or category... I view myself as an individual cell in the bodily structure that is our universe...
I tend to do what I feel is right without regard to laws or popular opinions of society... I feel that this world is skewed from the collective nature of things and in turn is on a path of self destruction...
I enjoy horror and death and find it fascinating as its the passing from one form of existance to a greater metamorphasis or truth...
I feel pretty strongly about some of those things as the way things are as my journey continues I always learn more as I enjoy those concepts...
I feel that there are more and more people like me who are beginning to become aware or enlightened to the truth of things as they become more in contact with themselves and thier surroundings... The All or the Central Force where all knowledge derives holds the key in my philosophy to the understanding of the future and what it holds for us...
So in essence I see myself a part of something bigger than any religion or science has ever dreamed possible...
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 22, 2007 10:09:02 GMT -6
yes, i feel you're on the right track... or at least a track very similar to mine. i am part of something greater. we are part of something greater. worshiping Gods such as Cthulhu, Satan, and The Tsalal is our way of communicating and being in tune with that unknown force of power, enlightenment, and evolution.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priestwww.CultofCthulhu.net[/b]
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Post by laughingdead on Apr 22, 2007 10:24:40 GMT -6
yes, i feel you're on the right track... or at least a track very similar to mine. i am part of something greater. we are part of something greater. worshiping Gods such as Cthulhu, Satan, and The Tsalal is our way of communicating and being in tune with that unknown force of power, enlightenment, and evolution.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priestwww.CultofCthulhu.net [/b] [/quote] I know and appreciate the concept of worship and I think its been diluted by christians as an ideology of sorts... A misrepresentation of the truer sense of meditation and pondering of negative or positive energies... I personally do not believe in an anthropomorphic being as being a god just because he is more advanced as me I think if there IS a god that it isn't god but like I stated in another thread an advanced culture that doesn't need to be worshiped to exist or need to be called god because we will in turn be like they are in a thousand years or so... This is why I like the Star Trek episode Who Mourns for Adonais because it touches on this very point that as we were children of a lesser race at some point in history we evolve into something greater either through advancement or death...
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 22, 2007 11:10:56 GMT -6
the Cult of Cthulhu perceives Gods as physical entities and as symbolic metaphors simultaneously. not many organizations do this, but i think multi-dimensional thinking is essential.
the idea of superior beings affecting man's evolution were there from the beginning, but then Lovecraft's prose and the precious few black pearls i gleaned from the Temple of Set solidified my beliefs.
yes, honor thy Mother and Father, for They are the Great Old Ones. when They return, we will become like Them.
VS
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Post by laughingdead on Apr 22, 2007 11:31:48 GMT -6
I see your point that the Old Ones being the Mother/Father figure of the entire human race due to the fact they existed before the creation according to the histories presented in the necronomicon...
Ill be honest in saying that I don't entirely know with a certainty that the Ancient Ones essentially could be the creators of our race if thats what you ment... I honestly do not know but have some theories on the subject... In essence there is some who give credit to aliens as our origins whether we were created or spawned from this culture or not again I couldn't really say... I tend to lean towards a father or mother breeding the first humans though because in essence this is how things work in this day and have been since the dawn of man... In order to be created we must first be born... But then is this process only for this state in life?... What about before we were in the womb? I think we may have existed as a lesser form such as an animal or insect learning the basic instinct patterns we seemingly were born with without learning... I don't believe you just know things but evolve and grow to know...
Sorry this is getting way off subject here but I love debates like these...
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 22, 2007 11:57:21 GMT -6
yes, the missing link.
it seems likely, and scientifically plausible, that human beings evolved from primates. however, what pushed us in this direction, farther than any other life form on the planet? that is still a mystery. and i loosely define/label that mystery as genetic and spiritual alteration from the Old Ones. not the everyday gods that people think of and not the usual funny-foreheaded star trek aliens either.
while any one being like Yog Sothoth, Lucifer, or Set might not be the best representation of what is really out there, i give that Greater Consciousness form and shape in my mind. that's why Cthulhu is my primary God-focus; it just works for me.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
www.CultofCthulhu.net
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Post by laughingdead on Apr 22, 2007 12:07:23 GMT -6
Now I believe you've made it crystal clear to me as I do too as well give the Greater Conscience as you label it a form of sorts... If I am seeing your thoughts here I believe you are stating your vision or pathway takes shape in the form of something like the Ancient Ones of which you find comfort and familiarity...
I tend to give it several points of reference in the form of demons or angels communing with me depending on the circumstance... This might also be something similar in experience to our ancestors who had visitations or moments of enlightenment and see angels or beings of light... Since our minds cannot fully comprehend or appreciate what those visions mean we might very well label them angels or even gods... Some of this experience could be the creation of the legends and myths we are so fond of... Say Norse or Greek pantheons... Zeus or Odin could be these contacts with the All or Greater Conscience...
Man this is getting really deep lol
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Post by gonetheantihero on May 27, 2007 18:54:11 GMT -6
I am: The Scarred, The Anti-Hero, The Broken, The Used, The Hated, The Fallen, The Lost, The Unforgiven, The Nameless, The Nice Guy, The Fighter, The Lover, The Asshole, The Epiphany, The Question, The Compasionate, The Faithless, and most importantly...I am The Cold. Any questions? Heeeeeeeeey Veeeeeengeeeeeer... I'M BACK!!! MUAH HA HA HA HA!!!!!
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Post by Yevathik on May 27, 2007 19:09:23 GMT -6
I am: The Scarred, The Anti-Hero, The Broken, The Used, The Hated, The Fallen, The Lost, The Unforgiven, The Nameless, The Nice Guy, The Fighter, The Lover, The Asshole, The Epiphany, The Question, The Compasionate, The Faithless, and most importantly...I am The Cold. Any questions? Heeeeeeeeey Veeeeeengeeeeeer... I'M BACK!!! MUAH HA HA HA HA!!!!! OH SHI- BRACE FOR IMPACT
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Post by gonetheantihero on May 28, 2007 13:16:36 GMT -6
Heeeeeeeeey Veeeeeengeeeeeer... I'M BACK!!! MUAH HA HA HA HA!!!!! OH SHI- BRACE FOR IMPACT WHOA! ...someone answered! *LMFAO* How goes it?
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Post by roughmagick on Jun 2, 2007 7:03:56 GMT -6
Insomuch as the Hero is the archetype of successful struggle against improbable odds in order to achieve a difficult and worthwhile goal, say howdy to a Hero, y'all ;D
Power and infinite potential to all, Rough
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Post by AzagDead on Jun 2, 2007 7:18:47 GMT -6
Iv seen my self sober for some months. Ave Satanas.
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Post by sxt701 on Jul 11, 2007 18:18:58 GMT -6
this is a great question. I actually have an answer too! while I long to be the hero I am unquestionably an Observer. I deal with balance and inner-, as well as outer-, confliction. existance relies on balance. What is created must be destroyed, what is born must die. good-evil, light-dark, existance-nothingness. this is my devotion.
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Post by twilightbearer on Jul 19, 2007 19:20:35 GMT -6
I'm the playwright, and I dare you to find me to give that enema you've threatened Seriously, I am the observer... Or, I should say, the core of my nature is that of the observer. I am more than happy to sit back and watch things unfold. I only manifest other of the mentioned "archetypes" (Jungian influences) when moved to action. I am one of those quiet ones you need to watch out for. I watch, I learn, and when I am crossed I will employ everything my observations have garnered for me and then some. On a side note, maybe thanks to my Jungian influences, I do not view myself as a singular being. I am a fractured soul... There is the core that is distant, what I think of as my true self, my eternal self, for it is the origin of this self and all the other facets scattered through out the worlds. I am only a facet of this core being, and there are many other facets. I felt this way before ever reading Lovecraft, but now you know why I find stories of Yog-Sothoth so interesting, especially those involving Randolph Carter.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 20, 2007 9:44:01 GMT -6
if we were to separate and define things, i'd say that your soul is one thing and your selves are another. let's say a Cultist's soul is like a small glowing green ball of energy (as in the animated movie Heavy Metal). this green orb can "activate" different pieces of the fractured self. it can illuminate and energize certain aspects of a Cultist's personality. hopefully, the Cultist chooses to activate those selves that want to evolve. in the Fourth Way, we call this a person's magnetic center.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by jameson on Jul 20, 2007 9:56:26 GMT -6
So the soul is like the Silver Key to the door of mastery of the self and unification so to speak.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 20, 2007 10:19:14 GMT -6
yes, that's a good way of looking at it.
VS
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Post by jameson on Aug 2, 2007 2:01:26 GMT -6
do you deny that the observer and the observed are separate? is consciousness not somewhat divorced from flesh? This I will deny.The consciousness and flesh are one (although right now it doesn't feel that way one bit)One cannot exist without the other.Consciousness while seemingly greater to a degree than the flesh is the result of the flesh.Without a brain of matter,consciousness is not,god is not,demons are not and existence is not.Consciousness is the flesh/the brain in action be it still or in motion. The observer is no different than the observed.What is observed is what the observer realizes about itself during the observation building the awareness of what one wants to be aware of at the moment.The act of observation doesn't separate,it narrows ones focus drawing one closer. I'd like there to have been a tragic hero but I suppose anti-hero describes me.I try to do good things and to banish which I feel hinders but due to my observation and circumstances I realize there is no point defending justice,honor or hatred, chaos separating me from the hero and villain whom live by reason. I'm only out for my own ends and may due good or bad based on impulses alone.I may occasionally step aside and allow the villain to shine.For without him, what glory have I?If he had been stopped before hand,whom would ever have heard of my name after I thwarted him when he became infamous?I will occasionally hinder the hero,for if anyone will receive praise,it shall be none other than I.Yeah the anti-hero ,always out for what gratifies at the moment,thats me ;D.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 2, 2007 10:41:38 GMT -6
currently flesh and consciousness are one at times... but not inseparable. and not once the body dies.
similarly, the observer and his observed self are separated by the act of self-awareness. physically they may be the same... observer and observed... however, they are truly worlds away! to see oneself objectively is to Awaken. without a certain amount of separation, observer and observed are too intertwined for thorough examination.
VS
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Post by jameson on Aug 2, 2007 15:19:48 GMT -6
But the observation you speak of is no ordinary observation such as "Jameson feels sad"or "I am angry" .The type of observation you propose is a dissociative observation requiring one to first dissociate or dissociate in the process.
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 2, 2007 15:43:19 GMT -6
yes.
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Post by luxcthonis on Aug 28, 2007 11:42:30 GMT -6
Coming in rather late but: Anti-Hero. Why? because I'm every human beings Scapegoat, trodding the lonely path to Azazel; and then we dance, haha! Lvx, -M.
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Post by darkthrone on Aug 31, 2007 2:52:29 GMT -6
I wanna say villain! That seems more subversive and Left Hand Path! I'm not going to say anti-hero since to me that's seeing yourself as a victim. Hero would be good too since it's one of the more productive roles. I'm gonna say observer. That's where i'm at now. A person could "reinvent" themselves though. I like the idea of the magnetic center! That's the same as "following your gut" right?
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Post by ladysatanica666 on Sept 9, 2007 17:23:07 GMT -6
I would have to say i see myself as the " Villian " as i always love the Bad guy in the movies. For example i loved Lestat in interview with a vampire. I Loved " Leather face " in The Texas Chainsaw masaccar. I am always rooting for the Bad guy, so i would yes have to say the villian. I Loved Puzuzu the Demon in the Excorcist I Loved Pinhead in the movie Hellraiser. Lady Satanica, Theistic Satanist
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Post by jasmine on Oct 5, 2007 9:14:20 GMT -6
In younger days I really identified with the anti-hero. But! the character in the movies and books that always ended up seducing me, was always the Villain. He/She had all the power and will in the story. They are always the ones who are truly striving to be more than the sum of thier respective parts. The hero is always in a position of reacting to the actions of the Villain whereas the Villain is the one who acts. With forthought and usually a certain amount of knowledge. I also relate to the Villain as the Villain gets to act on his desires as he sees fit and does not care what society/religion thinks. He simply does as he sees fit to do. I like the freedom in that philosophy.....so I am the Villain!
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Post by void on Oct 24, 2007 10:33:04 GMT -6
First topic hit, soulsearching...when will it end?
Some very interesting idea's and perspectives posted here, food for thought.
I don't recognise myself in these rather "cinematic" archtypes, half of which only exist in human fantasy. Observer/victim, yes, the rest is just indulgence. The whole idea of hero/anti/villain is pure fiction, who ever wants to be a villain when confronted with a real life example? Only a complete idiot or romanticist, you decide which is worse( I suppose the latter).
I'm a wanderer on a shadowy path, learning lessons( some call wisdom) through adversity until becoming dust .
-have I been understood?-Dionysos against the crucified...
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Post by Madguten on Oct 24, 2007 16:05:55 GMT -6
Yup, we learn until we crumble. Welcome to the forum.
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