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Post by Beast Xeno on Nov 15, 2016 22:49:31 GMT -6
It would appear that I'm once again entangled with the destiny of this cult. As Shawn has decided to take a step back. At one time, I was the First Priest of R'lyeh. Shit happened and I step away from it. The Cult lived on. The Ipsissimus Venger As'Nas Satanis, the Cult's Founder and Visionary, stepped away from it. The Cult lives on. The Cult, only mildly aware of its own mindless slumber; not unlike its patron Deep Ones. Sure we've had fleeting moments of Awakening... but they were only fleeting. Just as Venger told you it would be. You see we still struggle... we still succumb.
There clearly is still Work to do. We are not yet done. Some of you make claim to hear the calling of the Deep, the madness just beyond reality. Some wish to make something MORE than what we've done before. To separate ourselves from all of the tilting of hats, from all of the dependencies of outer traditions. You revel for something more terrifying, more insidious. So I ask now... Tell me the future of your Cult... What would you have it become? Beware but one thing, you cannot just pay lip service to it; you must LIVE IT. To do otherwise, that makes you a pretender, a fraud.
So now you have a task. I too have a mandate. Should Shawn take up his role of leader again, I will step aside. Until then, I declare the Cult of Cthulhu; a brotherhood (sisters welcomed too). A Lodge of Sorcery and Esotericism. In the spirit of providing much needed leadership and guidance, I take a new label. The Elder. As I am not your salvation, I am NOT The Way... I just want to be part of you finding it.
We can Awaken! Or we can eternally lie.
-Beast Xeno
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Post by shawnhartnell on Nov 17, 2016 12:07:53 GMT -6
You're going to be better at it than me. There's no danger of me "stepping back up."
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Post by Beast Xeno on Nov 19, 2016 12:18:07 GMT -6
You're going to be better at it than me. There's no danger of me "stepping back up." I don't consider it a danger at all. In fact, it would not detract from my purpose here in anyway. We've always been able to get along, I find your value immeasurable and welcomed. Since there is much for me to do here, I ask that you remain active whenever possible.
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Post by Beast Xeno on Nov 19, 2016 12:24:04 GMT -6
Cultists,
In 6 days, we will honor the visionary and founding father of this beloved cult. I declare that from this year forward it'll be known as "The Coming of Yog-sothoth". As Venger often drew inspiration from Yog-sothoth, and it is his birthday. I'm marking it on the calendar, as soon as I figure out how.
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Post by jamesons391 on Dec 23, 2016 18:41:21 GMT -6
Just asking what are our beliefs on the afterlif
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Post by Beast Xeno on Dec 25, 2016 13:17:16 GMT -6
Just asking what are our beliefs on the afterlif It is the Orthodox view of the Cult that man, society, and our species as we exist, are insignificant and irrelevant. There is no 'afterlife', no great beyond. Why should there be one? We don't truly live this life, why should there be one after? For man, there is only slavery and death. This is why we struggle to Awake. So when Dread Cthulhu rises, we will be ready to receive his lesson; of unspoken horrors and new ways to revel and kill. Cultists in turn are unconcerned with the next existence, our hands are full enough with this one. I hope this answers your question. Your focus should be on the here and now. Tomorrow is not promised.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Jan 8, 2017 14:01:23 GMT -6
Just asking what are our beliefs on the afterlif Any belief in the afterlife is a belief, and a useless distraction. Our concern is our life here and now, not "spiritual pipedreams."
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Post by Nyrlthtp on Jan 11, 2017 18:04:50 GMT -6
It is the Orthodox view of the Cult that man, society, and our species as we exist, are insignificant and irrelevant. There is no 'afterlife', no great beyond. Why should there be one? We don't truly live this life, why should there be one after? For man, there is only slavery and death. This is why we struggle to Awake. So when Dread Cthulhu rises, we will be ready to receive his lesson; of unspoken horrors and new ways to revel and kill. Orthodox views are conscripting and corrupted. Animals are by species self-centered and humans tend to be narcissistic. Deluded by whispy, temporary experiences, and pretending to greatness, they imagine essentialities and a refinement to these in what they call "mysticism".
As for why these essentialities are imagined real and enduring beyond decease, projecting it (this 'soul' or 'permanent isolate self') provides a practical advantage to planning. No matter how tentative and squishy this biological process is, it is helpful to suppose that it will endure forever and that it remains consistent in its characteristics and features (thus living perpetually in self-denial and self-delusion).
Why some struggle to awake is that they imagine an advantage of position and insight in so doing whereby they will benefit overall in experience and leverage.
Cultists in turn are unconcerned with the next existence, our hands are full enough with this one. ...Your focus should be on the here and now. Tomorrow is not promised. Tomorrow is not only not promised, it is never arriving. All notions of "next existences" (including tomorrows) are figmentary and fraudulent. Those who awake are also aware that no essentiality persists from moment to moment, that what occurs is a temporary and evanescent phenomenon absent any absolute value.
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Post by Nyrlthtp on Jan 11, 2017 18:18:23 GMT -6
...Any belief in the afterlife is a belief, and a useless distraction. Our concern is our life here and now, not "spiritual pipedreams." Religious fantasies are often projections of current realities upon other times or minds. In the case of 'afterlife' the useless distraction toward which you are correctly pointing is posterior to decease. However, the real-world correlate to it is the continuity of growth or decay inherent to our animal beings ("after(*-now*) life"). The future being is uncertain and figmentary, but projecting it allows for planning with advantage.
The actuality of spiritual pipedreams is spirituality projected into times we will not exist and bodies we will never be. All spirituality is not a pipedream, however. Optimizing subjective experience is not a fruitless endeavour, but carries with it the opportunity of enhanced and enduring enjoyment while yet corporeal.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Jan 11, 2017 22:52:40 GMT -6
If I understand you correctly... Well, yeah, that's one of the main functions of the human brain, whether considering the dogmatic beliefs of religion or the principles and properties of nitroglycerin. As a navigation tool it has the ability to represent the probable consequences of any action before taking it. (Unless you have a brain like mine.) However, what we use to predict what is probable depends on our own notions, and can only be useful if the notions are accurate. Otherwise, predicting the outcome of actions is often more than useless, it's counterproductive. For example, if someone's notions included "subjecting TNT to a shock prevents it from exploding" and they were considering some way to store it safely. Yeah, that would be bad. TL:DR - Map, territory. Useful maps are selectively accurate maps. I agree that not all spirituality is a pipedream. But then again, very often it is. I value my time so I value the distinction between the two.
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Post by Beast Xeno on Jan 13, 2017 18:55:23 GMT -6
Orthodox views are conscripting and corrupted. Animals are by species self-centered and humans tend to be narcissistic. Deluded by whispy, temporary experiences, and pretending to greatness, they imagine essentialities and a refinement to these in what they call "mysticism".
As for why these essentialities are imagined real and enduring beyond decease, projecting it (this 'soul' or 'permanent isolate self') provides a practical advantage to planning. No matter how tentative and squishy this biological process is, it is helpful to suppose that it will endure forever and that it remains consistent in its characteristics and features (thus living perpetually in self-denial and self-delusion).
Why some struggle to awake is that they imagine an advantage of position and insight in so doing whereby they will benefit overall in experience and leverage.
I'm not sure if you're attempting to add support to my response, or just getting sidetracked aloud. I do find it interesting that you conclude that the 'soul' / 'permanent isolate self' are imagined or imaginary, yet that is truly only your own informed opinion. That in itself is a somewhat narcissistic and myopic vantage. The truth, as I have come to know it is this; our species still lacks the technological ability to draw a definitive conclusion. It becomes a question of practicality in self-development. If it can be advantageous to 'imagine' such, then I say, add that tool to your box. My own statements were intended to simply reflect that it is an irrelevant condition set. Our focus, must be one of the here and now. As Mr. Hartnell pointed out, our concern for spiritual pipe-dreams can be counterproductive. We can only be responsible for what influences, we allow ourselves to come under. You seem to be aware of that principle, I would however; state that the only "why" to struggle for awakening is benefit and leverage.
Tomorrow is not only not promised, it is never arriving. All notions of "next existences" (including tomorrows) are figmentary and fraudulent. Those who awake are also aware that no essentiality persists from moment to moment, that what occurs is a temporary and evanescent phenomenon absent any absolute value.
You are going to have to lay out how you measure value. Specifically 'absolute value', because I find that as every moment collapses into the next; there is an opportunity to mine something of rare preciousness. Conscious experience. Sometimes disguised as insignificant or irrelevant, an iridescent gem is hidden just under the facade. The right collection of gems might become a legendary treasure, sought after for ages.
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Post by Nyrlthtp on Jan 16, 2017 16:12:22 GMT -6
BeastXeno, I hear you weren't sure why i posted as i did. I was directly opposing the entire notion of 'Orthodox LHP positions'. My assertion is that they are self-debilitating and confused. I don't think a realistic assessment of our finite expanse as animals, denying a projection of fantasy essences, is narcissistic in the slightest. It correctly denies unfounded projections and places attention on what is real. This may not always be to one's advantage.
You maintain that it can be advantageous to imagine such an essentiality and i would agree strongly. The illusions of continuity, fictional essence, and even ridiculous notions of immortality are at points of crucial advantage to survival, long-term memory, and planning, extending beyond individual human lifespans. Part of the challenge of 'waking up', as mystics sometimes say, is in moving beyond these useful illusions to realistic views, precisely attending to the here and now as you have suggested.
Thank you for your generous consideration of my strongly-made assertions. I am happy to compare and contrast knowledge, even when some portion of that is tentative or agnostic (and i was raised in an agnostic household as regards many esoteric things, so i respect the position). I understood that you were representing a cultic commonality.
My initial response to the thread about afterlives pertained to the amusing notion that the Cult of Cthulhu might have an orthodoxy (even an Orthodoxy). Like what we were discussing above, it appears we share strong interest in similar or coincident aims, though variation in our knowledge or experience may lead us to conclude differently and therefore to pursue them in varying ways. Your assertions regarding preciousness sound like excellent personal aims and values and i encourage your pursuit of them.
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Post by Beast Xeno on Jan 17, 2017 16:33:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure how my reply ended up in the wrong thread. I've taken steps to rectify that.
Thank you for clarifying the intent of your commentary. I do believe this means, at the very least, we have similar understandings. The term Orthodoxy as it pertains to the Cult, is representative of the pattern of teaching espoused by Venger As'Nas Satanis. It is only in that there are key points of differentiation in my own Works, this (teachings) in itself being the most obvious of them. As I do not want to present myself as Guru or Teacher. I have a strong belief that Work can only be undertaken in a specific sequence. Outer =>Inner =>Outer. It is your task, as the initiate, to sort the wheat from the chaff. Some may choose to apprentice under someone they admire, but it is at the point of blind acceptance that it becomes fruitless idolatry. Which Gurdjieff summed up nicely in the following quote:
"The results of the work of a man who takes on himself the role of teacher do not depend on whether or not he knows exactly the origin of what he teaches, but very much depends on whether or not his ideas come in actual fact from the esoteric center and whether he himself understands and can distinguish esoteric ideas, that is, ideas of objective knowledge, from subjective, scientific, and philosophical ideas.” - G.I. Gurdjieff
G goes on to explain that teachers are fallible, that even if their intentions are sincere, they may still lead you down the wrong path. That is where the idea of The Heresy was first born (with regard to this Cult). For that reason, among many others, I welcome criticism and challenge. I have always been, and probably always will be of the mindset that steel sharpens steel. With that in mind my friend, know that, no thanks is required on your part. Your participation in this fashion is key, to my vision of the Cult's Esoteric Tradition.
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Post by Nyrlthtp on Jan 23, 2017 21:30:49 GMT -6
Thank you for explaining that the reference to "orthodoxy" (or "Orthodoxy") was what was espoused by Venger As'Nas Satanis. Since it appears that you do not endorse this, and i oppose it, this explains why i was arguing against it being called such. I am as yet unaware of why any teaching might be called 'orthodox' unless one is attempting to encourage blind acceptance and fruitless idolatry.
Having never confirmed anything called "the esoteric center" (and thinking of this as a term of flim-flam otherwise), i'm inclined to interpret GIG's words to mean "If you cannot relate it to your own experience.....", which is far less certain than he gives out (as "fact"). I don't know what he means by 'esoteric ideas' in contrast with or relation to "ideas of objective knowledge, from subjective, scientific, and philosophical ideas." Again, much of this sounds to me like vacuous proclamation -- something that the Wild Wisdom Teachers specialize in providing for their followers to project onto and applaud.
Does "The Heresy" in the CoC relate to trying to bring out ideas which are regarded as blasphemous, offensive, or anti-orthodoxy (in this instance antagonistic or averse to the instructions of Venger Satanis)? I am sure i must home in on the usage of the term 'esoteric' here.
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Post by didraskein on Jul 31, 2017 23:34:18 GMT -6
And I thought the Cult was dead. But that is not dead which can eternal lie. Perhaps it has potential yet, with someone new—or rather, a Great Old One, awoken from death-like slumber—at the helm. Now is a time of many re-awakenings. What is the future of my Cult, if I have the cheek to call it ' mine'? When making a path into uncharted territory, I find it folly to try to draw up a map before I arrive. Let us set out with the resolve to meet whatever terrors we may face as we come upon them. For now, my singular mission is to drive onward, with as many brothers in darkness as will have my company on the journey.
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Post by Beast Xeno on Aug 1, 2017 15:02:19 GMT -6
And I thought the Cult was dead. But that is not dead which can eternal lie. Perhaps it has potential yet, with someone new—or rather, a Great Old One, awoken from death-like slumber—at the helm. Now is a time of many re-awakenings. What is the future of my Cult, if I have the cheek to call it ' mine'? When making a path into uncharted territory, I find it folly to try to draw up a map before I arrive. Let us set out with the resolve to meet whatever terrors we may face as we come upon them. For now, my singular mission is to drive onward, with as many brothers in darkness as will have my company on the journey. I didn't even have to look at the email address to figure out who this is. Your writing style and sense of humor quickly gave it away, XG. Welcome back! Your company is always well received. It is definitely a time for re-awakenings. I concur that the map would be folly. Simply pick a direction and use our inner compass to keep us on course. BTW who are you calling old?
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Post by silence on Nov 2, 2017 0:16:50 GMT -6
I wanted to join this cult because it seems interesting by the way what happens after we die I'm curious to hear about that?After all
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Post by tentacledoctor on Nov 8, 2017 11:26:43 GMT -6
what should i do to practice my beliefs of the Ancient One how do i worship him how do i pass on the religeon to others
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Post by theblackgoatofleng on Nov 26, 2017 12:26:27 GMT -6
Greetings, I am new and wanted to inquire of the best way(s) to connect with the cult. I aspire to become active within the Cult and ask for your guidance.
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Post by dragamundi on Jan 2, 2018 0:37:30 GMT -6
Greetings, I am new and wanted to inquire of the best way(s) to connect with the cult. I aspire to become active within the Cult and ask for your guidance.
Hails. I used to moderate this board, but i have not been truly active here for some years. I have been active in my workings, but not here on this actual message board. I say this to let you know that i might not be aware of things going on here now. As for the Cult of Cthulhu, this is one of its plenty forms, but the actual cult the Dread One is a timeless and shapeless caliber. It forms and forms and forms again. This manifestation took its form by hands of the Green Pope, Venger As'Nas Satanis and a few others who became more, and then became many. The work and participation shifted away from the forum(s) as peoples lives changed in different ways. This did not just happen for us, but for mostly all of such communities. Are you seeking people of similar interests to communicate with? I know there should be a few left here in these halls, and one could also point you to the books of Venger As'Nas Satanis, should you want to seek out some of the literary foundation for this manifestation of the CoC. And aside from this, the Cult of Cthulhu is not bound by time nor space. It manifests where ever it does, however it does, and those who are called come in all shapes and sizes, from all over the world. (in my perception).
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Post by excalipoor on Apr 3, 2018 5:14:13 GMT -6
Nice one. Iä Cthulhu Fahtagn
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Post by Nyrlthtp on Jun 5, 2018 8:45:06 GMT -6
Glorifying the past is part of how religion operates. Those who are not here any longer are unknown to us, and their phlangified leavings from their tentacles and tendrils into keyboards will have varied and difficult to evaluate results. We could demonize them as a means of revolution, but this is just another of the paltry ways that humans operate without convincingness to manipulate one another.
Escalating the gravitas and importance of those who came before subtracts from and denudes our own importance and inspiration. Presume all of them are hundreds of years gone and shall never return. Only those who are here now and interacting are of any value other than the Old Ones.
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Post by Nyrlthtp on Jun 12, 2018 23:26:25 GMT -6
The future of your Cult is anarchic and based on participation.
Let me know if you want ultimate power.
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Post by Beast Xeno on Jun 9, 2023 21:08:17 GMT -6
Greetings Fellow Travellers,
There have been a few recent developments and I thought I would address them here Recently I was once again called back to these old boards and The Cult. Something deep within me has the feeling of unfinished business. Upon talking to Venger and expressing my wish to revive and finish my Work here; it was revealed that another person had expressed interest in the revival. So Venger in his wisdom and with my agreement in doing so, came to the conclusion that it is best that the CoC be deemed decentralized and therefore allow room for as many variations as will emerge. There is no obvious reason that they can't even exist here in this forum.
During this time, I will be taking the opportunity to clean up the place and restructure it. Any questions or concerns can be voice here.
-Live Deliberately! - Beast Xeno
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Post by I AM the Way on Jun 26, 2023 15:18:31 GMT -6
To the original poster's question (I think... it was a long thread), I believe man, or certain men, shall we say, have the capacity to create a soul, which is a vessel for their higher consciousness. And this soul can survive the body's death. Instead of being absorbed into the universe, which we are opposed to (being Left Hand Path), that vessel for higher consciousness becomes a separate entity existing beyond our universe and capable of unfathomable things.
Creating a soul is part of The Work, as taught by the Fourth Way. Awakening is the first step, but to achieve that first step, another thousand must come before even this.
While each Cultist should come to his own conclusions, I strongly recommend the following... 1) belief in a higher power, 2) belief that life after death is possible, and 3) without first becoming worthy of such gifts, such as higher consciousness, expansion and extension of oneself is meaningless.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus of the Cthulhu Cultvengersatanis.blogspot.com/
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Jun 28, 2023 12:34:30 GMT -6
Very interesting and once the Outer Gods get their tentacles in you.. you may leave them for a little while,but they never truly leave you.
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Post by alba2016 on Jul 3, 2023 5:36:33 GMT -6
Great to this see again (;
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Post by Beast Xeno on Jul 3, 2023 13:38:41 GMT -6
Great to this see again (; Welcome back! Much is to be done. It is encouraging to see so many "old faces" returning to the Void.
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Post by alba2016 on Jul 4, 2023 12:56:01 GMT -6
Hello just stopping by and checking some stuff. It is true once the tentacles get into you then you always come back.
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Post by Beast Xeno on Jul 4, 2023 13:52:08 GMT -6
Hello just stopping by and checking some stuff. It is true once the tentacles get into you then you always come back. Speaking of that, I remember you from my time here but this isn't the same account. What happened to your old account?
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