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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 2, 2015 11:27:21 GMT -6
Math, real or not real? That is the question.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 2, 2015 11:29:07 GMT -6
I say "not real", because a national average of 2.5 kids per family is somewhat demented. Who has 0.5 kid?
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Post by Yara-Nu on Apr 2, 2015 12:42:24 GMT -6
Its not that someone had .5 of child. for example if you have three families, one family has one child, another family has two children, and the third family has for children. you add up the number of children to be seven the divide by three to give you 2.33 repeating. So its not that someone has .33 of a child but thats just the average per the group of families. So I think math is "real" in the term of this physical universe or reality but beyond that I'd say not.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 2, 2015 12:57:25 GMT -6
Depends on if you limit your definition of math to numbers.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 2, 2015 13:47:44 GMT -6
Math is a representation of scale. It's the same as asking: Is language real?
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 2, 2015 22:47:40 GMT -6
It's the same as asking: Is language real? I agree completely. Math is all about quantity. It doesn't become a representation of scale until you express a quantity in a place number system. For examole : The values of the Roman numerals I, X and C only represent scale in base-10 -- 001 = I 010 = X 100 = C but not in hex (base 16) 001 = 1 00A = 10 064 = 100 The scale of hex is based on values from 0 to 15, which is a different "scale" than base-10: (first number in hex) 001 = 1 010 = 16 100 = 256 It all depends on where you "split the difference" into a higher magnitude.
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Post by Padowan on Apr 3, 2015 6:57:06 GMT -6
Quantity is a scale.
"Quantity is a property that can exist as a magnitude or multitude. Quantities can be compared in terms of "more," "less," or "equal," or by assigning a numerical value in terms of a unit of measurement." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantity
Scale in mathematics: A system of notation in which the values of numerical expressions are determined by their places relative to the chosen base of the system. www.thefreedictionary.com/scale Sounds like counting to me.
Scale as I define it: A measurement or judgment; a criterion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 7:30:51 GMT -6
Math is the one and only thing of all infinites of universes that is absolutely true, without any possible mistake. All "the rest" may be illusions, but nothing else than the absolute evidence is admitted in Math.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 10, 2015 19:56:20 GMT -6
Heh Why and wherefore is it true? What Gawd gives us this truth, along with infallible knowledge of infinite worlds beyond our imagination?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 1:20:45 GMT -6
It is true because it is demonstrated. You cannot prove you are looking at this computer screen because maybe the universe is an illusion, but you can absolutely prove 1+1=2, illusions or not. The reply that for example a man plus a woman is more than two humans is irrelevant because 1) yes it is two humans and 2) what happens next is not the problem.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 14, 2015 2:56:38 GMT -6
If I can't prove I'm looking at a computer screen, then how can I prove an equation on it?
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 14, 2015 2:57:58 GMT -6
dnd You might find this an entertaining philosophy problem.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2015 7:09:55 GMT -6
If I can't prove I'm looking at a computer screen, then how can I prove an equation on it? Because an equation is not a "tangible" object as the screen, an equation has its truth independent from the physical world, from our senses. You can destroy the screen, but try to destroy 1+1=2. Absolutely immortal... Here you feel the meaning of "absolute".
Hey, thanks for this thread, I find it important, inspiring ! Let your soul be as independent from the world as this equation, here is immortality !
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 14, 2015 9:07:36 GMT -6
We come from the factory pre-installed with a counter which can recognize and do math even without numbers. 1+1=2 results from a formal process of associative conditioning these small numbers to symbols, and education about logical rules (and remember logic can be wrong) about how to perform operations on the symbols. This is no different than the arbitrary rules created for The Game of Life. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subitizingen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2015 0:48:12 GMT -6
I think 1+1=2 is independent from mankind. After that, we can get it by a way or another.
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Post by shawnhartnell on Apr 15, 2015 7:53:20 GMT -6
Do you know who Clever Hans is?
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