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Post by Belial on Oct 5, 2006 13:14:44 GMT -6
I've heard that H.P. Lovecraft foretold many events that he couldn't have known about in his lifetime. What exactly did he foretell and what is used to verify these claims?
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 5, 2006 14:23:38 GMT -6
i believe it's Lovecraft's description of science and magic which has earned him the title of prophet. The Dreams in the Witch House contain explainations of multi-dimensional space/time, string theory, and the blending of folklore with science.
that's just one example. i hope others can provide more. in the meantime, i will scour the internet for concrete details.
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Post by Yevathik on Oct 5, 2006 17:00:51 GMT -6
Well, there was Kadath. And then today, years later they think they've found a large structure underneath Antarctica. Apparently, there's a large bubble under a lake (a frozen lake, obviously), and they think there could be something down there.
Also, a news crew reportedly disappeared when investigating it.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 5, 2006 19:59:08 GMT -6
ah yes. and the planet Yuggoth, which we now call Pluto.
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Post by Belial on Oct 6, 2006 22:16:13 GMT -6
DAMN!! I had no idea he had made any prophecies at all. Thanks, guys. If you or anyone else has any more examples PLEASE post them.
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Post by Yevathik on Oct 7, 2006 5:37:34 GMT -6
ah yes. and the planet Yuggoth, which we now call Pluto.
VS Only they aren't calling it a planet anymore. Make up your mind, people.
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Post by Belial on Oct 7, 2006 6:37:19 GMT -6
LMAO I heard about that. Stephen Colbert said it best when he said, "My very educated mother once said, uh-oh, no Pluto!" When I heard that I didn't stop laughing for days.
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Post by harlequinshaitan on Nov 6, 2006 23:42:00 GMT -6
According to The Cult of Alien Gods, HPL was the originator of the ancient astronaut theory. He came up with the idea that mankind's civilization, if not his entire species, was directly influenced by alien entities. Many have borrowed Lovecraft's hypothesis since. Harlequin Shaitan Herald of the Old Gods
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Post by jameson on Nov 7, 2006 8:44:04 GMT -6
Well, there was Kadath. And then today, years later they think they've found a large structure underneath Antarctica. Apparently, there's a large bubble under a lake (a frozen lake, obviously), and they think there could be something down there. Also, a news crew reportedly disappeared when investigating it. Wow thats hard to stomach.Do u have any links by chance where we may view this info?
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Post by jameson on Nov 18, 2006 2:36:29 GMT -6
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Post by youma on Dec 7, 2006 18:26:11 GMT -6
The colour out of space has also been compared to the effects of radioactivity on living things, and he wrote that before it was known that radioactivity destroyed cells.
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Post by setnacht on Dec 11, 2006 2:59:40 GMT -6
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on May 10, 2007 17:02:54 GMT -6
ah yes. and the planet Yuggoth, which we now call Pluto.
VS Scratch Pluto they found aplanet farther out past Pluto!
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Post by Madguten on May 10, 2007 17:11:00 GMT -6
Cool, got a link?
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Post by laughingdead on May 11, 2007 5:28:07 GMT -6
ah yes. and the planet Yuggoth, which we now call Pluto.
VS Scratch Pluto they found aplanet farther out past Pluto! Im more apt to think its Sedna...
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Post by Latheeb on May 21, 2007 20:00:16 GMT -6
Sounds a bit interesting... although some would argue you could take the writings of any author and twist them to fit anything you want them to.... kind of like what the christians do with their beloved bible... but who really cares? I'm not gonna force my religious beliefs on anyone... Let them believe what they want. The OLD ONES have to have somebody to devour don't they? ;D
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on May 21, 2007 21:38:59 GMT -6
what prophicies are you talking about got a link or sumfin. I don't mean this in disbelief just reference, if you know what i mean.
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Post by youma on May 22, 2007 20:07:15 GMT -6
We're not talking about making Lovecraft a devine, being an awesome writer is already great, but it's still interesting to see how fiction writers often imagine things that actually happen, later. HPL was thrilled when Pluto, who'se existence he had imagined before it was known, was discovered, and sometimes, about many things, I think "What would Mister Lovecraft say?" (a reference to a young boy who had exclaimed this when he first saw the Niagara falls, an event which also pleased HPL when it was reported to him)
He talked about the Elder Things, who knew the secret of creating new life, what would he say if he came back to life and learned of genetic science? And just as he had these beings destroyed by the Shoggoths, their own creation, wouldn't he share so many modern authors' fear of thinking machines? Computers are not sentient, but they process a thousand time more information than any human could. Shoggoths are robot rebellion before robot science-fiction time. And what of space travel! And, though he didn't predict anything like it, he would probably be in awe before the Internet.
In conclusion: What would Mister Lovecraft say?!?
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on May 27, 2007 21:21:54 GMT -6
alot prophets that got it right, had equal amount of wrongs.
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Post by sinnersclub on Jul 6, 2007 0:50:26 GMT -6
i believe it's Lovecraft's description of science and magic which has earned him the title of prophet. The Dreams in the Witch House contain explainations of multi-dimensional space/time, string theory, and the blending of folklore with science.
that's just one example. i hope others can provide more. in the meantime, i will scour the internet for concrete details.
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If Eye may, Eye would like to approach this from a different angle. Lovecraftwas indeed a true prophet of sorts, but Eye interpret this somewhat clairvoyant capacity of his as being more metaphorical in nature. Afterall, a good deal of his imagery actually arose from the rather unsettling dreams he had, where he ( a complete atheist ) was surrounded by cyclopean gods and cityscapes long since erased from the memory of man. But still, his own life betrayed a tendency towards the comfortable repression of the eighteen century which he worshipped. The apocalyptic imagery of his mythos ( which he himself never took seriously ) may actually reflect his rather repressed mindset. Cthulhu was for him the very incarnation of everything he feared: social progress, change, freedom of sexuality, all things which to a man of an eighteenth century mindset are anathema. Because of this, the Old Ones were depicted as chaotic, destructive and absolutely bent on the destruction of the human race- a view entirely keeping with an individual thoroughly steeped in old world morality. What is ironic is that these things really did occur as exampled in the social upheaval of the phenomenon known as the nineteen-sixties. What is interesting to note is how many people during that time were intimately aquainted with the Mythos of the Old Ones! You would be surprised how many hippies read Lovecraft! In an odd way, it can be said that Lovecraft contributed to this change without truly realizing the nature of it, and in that sense his work truly was/is prophetic. If you ask me, hovever, if he was in fact inspired by unseen forces of independent intelligence, without realizing or accepting it, Eye have always concurred that that is indeed the case.
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 6, 2007 10:48:07 GMT -6
great theory, sinnersclub.
i've also heard/read that many 60's hippies (and hipsters) read HPL back in the day. same thing with Tolkien's Lord of the Rings trilogy. which also might explain those bizarre flashes in the Dunwich Horror movie.
and like most repressive individuals, the things they repress have to come out somewhere. i agree that Cthulhu's Call represents liberation in many forms, chaos, destruction, and so forth.
however, Lovecraft also believed in social change and wrote about it at the end of his life, such as The Shadow Out of Time. but maybe Lovecraft meant that socialism is meant for alien life alone?
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Post by sinnersclub on Jul 8, 2007 21:19:45 GMT -6
Well...you and Eye both know that 'chaos' is not necessarily an undesirable quality. It is precisely this chaos ( which the Old Ones represent ) that can prove a liberating force from a corrupted civilization that has completely removed itself from its natural origins. Eye think Robert E. Howard said it best: The true nature of man is barbarism; civilization is unnatural. Eye think that the writings of Lovecraft, though subconsciously, reflect this sentiment. Because Lovecraft was so mired in the miasma of civilization, the arising of a true primal awareness which existed before either the agricultural or hunter-gatherer stage ( as represented by the Old Ones ) would have been painted in the worst colors possible- which is what he did. He saw this reawakening, this 'atavistic resurgence' if you will- as something terrible, because it foretold the end of civilization as Lovecraft knew it! However, you and Eye can see that this development, which was unfortunately related in apocalyptic terms, can instead be greatly beneficial. Do you agree?
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Post by harlequinshaitan on Jul 22, 2007 19:38:22 GMT -6
I remember reading that HPL and Robert E. Howard had more than a few discussions about mankind's natural tendencies, the future of the species, etc.
From what I remember, Lovecraft was for civilization and Howard was for barbarism. That would explain why HPL's protagonists were gentlemen, artists, or cultural outsiders and Howard's protagonists were barbarians, savages, and black-hearted sorcerers.
Since chaos and order are both a part of mankind, I think the point is moot. However, it makes for interesting (and opposed) viewpoints.
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