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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 9, 2012 12:37:11 GMT -6
Well most people who know me can tell you that I normally listen to thrash, death metal, and industrial music right? Well for some reason, I suddenly really like gay pop? Normally this wouldn't raise any flags, but as I observe myself, I can't help but find it interesting. Could this perhaps be yet another "me" arising from the singularity? Especially considering gay pop is nothing like the other music genres I mentioned above! Anyway, for clarification, here is my favorite track from that genre...
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Post by sin on Oct 9, 2012 14:56:54 GMT -6
What in your opinion, is the difference between a preference and what you see as a "me"??
CS
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Post by thorgrim on Oct 9, 2012 21:02:32 GMT -6
Let me suggest you stay out of public parks for the next few weeks just to be on the safe side
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 9, 2012 22:32:50 GMT -6
I'm just gonna ignore that last comment as being gay does not equal pedophile!
As for your comment Cora, I can only speculate at this point as I've only just know started to think about these things? The difference? Well one is something you like and the other is a whole persona? A persona may have preferences, but not vice versa and so that leads me to the conclusion that someone within me likes this sort of thing... As such, it would become necessary to observe myself, particularly when I'm enjoying this kind of music to perhaps gain a better understanding of said persona. Am I in the ballpark?
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Post by sin on Oct 10, 2012 7:21:42 GMT -6
As for your comment Cora, I can only speculate at this point as I've only just know started to think about these things? The difference? Well one is something you like and the other is a whole persona? A persona may have preferences, but not vice versa and so that leads me to the conclusion that someone within me likes this sort of thing... As such, it would become necessary to observe myself, particularly when I'm enjoying this kind of music to perhaps gain a better understanding of said persona. Am I in the ballpark?
Give this a read over CD, maybe this will help:
plato.stanford.edu/entries/preferences/
In some regard, preferences could be reduced to an attitude we each have towards things, and it's not necessarily who or what we are.
Do you prefer Vanilla or Chocolate? Why do you prefer either? Do you think this can change at any time over your life? If so, why if not why not? Are some preferences consistent? What makes them so?
Philosophically, it could be argued that our preferences are causal. Then there is the biological nature of what we are. Do we prefer to breathe? Can we make the conscious decision to stop breathing?
Think about how you plan things out. Preferences play a role. Sometimes we prefer to make things as easy as possible, but perhaps its more logical to take the hard road in some cases.
You can dig in deep to figure out why you 'now' prefer 'Gay pop' when you did not prefer it previously by tracing your pathology of self.
Do you remember my tomato anecdote? When I was small, my mother taught me that I didn't like tomatoes. She didn't like them, and projected that they were not preferred upon me. I 'chose' not to like tomatoes when I was small, but then I grew older and 'decided' to try a tomato for myself, and I liked it. My preference was then changed. The former was due to an influence, the latter wad due to an action. In either case I 'chose' my preference but the reasoning behind each can be pin-pointed.
In analyzing why all of sudden you seem to enjoy a new music genre, may be due to a new way of identifying. Does that make sense?
Think about this response. It's a rather interesting way to 'associate' pedophilia with 'Gay Pop' and visiting public parks. Isn't it?
CS
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 12, 2012 13:47:50 GMT -6
As far as that last statement goes, that was the only rational connection my mind could make regarding the subject. Anyway, the idea here is that preferences may or may not be associated with various archetypes within my psyche yes? So the ultimate question is, are they? As for your tomato reference, I see your point is that you don't know you'll like something unless you try it yes? I'm still gonna stay away from heroin though! ;D Regardless, I suppose from that idea, I can infer that I never would've known that I liked gay pop unless I actually listened to it at some point right?
So now I posit a question for you, does each self within the psyche have specific preferences or are they unified? Are they connected in such a way that they ALL prefer a certain ice cream? That they ALL like certain forms of music? That they ALL like to dress in a certain way? Or are they instead more unique?
PS: Cora, you should be aware that the taste buds replace themselves every 7 years and that tastes will change over time. For instance, there was a time in my life when I genuinely did not like salad...
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Post by thorgrim on Oct 13, 2012 15:37:44 GMT -6
Cain,
Relax bro, im just fucking with you. The fact that closeted gay men frequent public parks for random hook up sex has abolutely nothing to do with pedophiles to the best of my knowledge BTW. I dont find pedophiles funny at all, unless their braind make a funny pattern or something when blown out (yeah I have kids), so I wouldnt ever make a joke about them. I do think that ADULT sexual humor is a good time though. As for the matter at hand, I say good for you expanding your horizons. We should be ever changing, evolving creatures. Like Cora pointed out with her tomato story, our tastes change throughout the course of our lives, and sometimes it just take a little experimentation to be certain about something. This truth is evidenced in sayings like "dont knock it till you try it" and similar wisdoms. Go with it and see where it leads you, if you end up with a cock in your mouth I honestly dont think that your musical tastes would have anything to do with it. I am a Black Metal guy myself, and have never burned a church...............yet. Judas Priest did not kill that kid with the song "suicide solution", and I dont buy that you in particular, a magician, a CoC one at that would be that weak willed. Big D has strong soldiers, and I doubt your an exception to that. If this is some subconcious manifestation of your latent homosexual tendencies, so be it. Embrace whomever you truly are, the welfare of your own true will takes prescedent over any expectations others have of you. Good luck sir!!!
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 15, 2012 16:47:18 GMT -6
Well I already know that I'm pansexual? (A variation of bisexual...) A man helped me "explore" these feelings earlier in my life, although I'm pretty sure he was just in it for the sex! I could tell you much more, but I don't think that's necessary...
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Post by cortwilliams on Oct 16, 2012 7:09:08 GMT -6
I tend to define myself as bisexual/pansexual as well: I had something in-between a close friendship and a sexual relationship from age 11-15 with another boy. I am now predominantly attracted to women and have had a long-term relationship with a woman, but I'm still occasionally attracted to men as well and tried a three-way with a man and woman once when I was younger(not a great success).
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Post by sin on Oct 16, 2012 12:59:49 GMT -6
This really depends on your own pathology, how many selves do you believe you have? Does each aspect of yourself identify with your experiences and influences?
Using my tomato anecdote, I can say that at a certain stage in my life my 'childhood' experiences/memories gave me a bad taste in my mouth for tomatoes. The dislike for tomatoes was obviously ingrained in me. The aspect of myself that is always seeking answers was the willful self that said "Hey, so you think you don't like tomatoes huh? Why not try one and see?"
Believing that our internal selves are like sharing an apartment with roommates is just a concept model. The self could be viewed as an Emerald with many facets (another model). The emerald is one unit, with many sides to it. The challenge then is seeing the entire Emerald without viewing it through Lucifer's lens.
You have to see yourself for what you are in its entirety before you can determine why you think and feel the way you do about everything.
CS
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Oct 16, 2012 20:43:52 GMT -6
"See myself in it's entirety?" Interesting concept? I wonder what methods could be employed? That's probably also unique from person to person I suppose? In my case, I'd probably utilize meditation and/or astral ceremony...
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Post by jtellio on Aug 16, 2013 7:11:59 GMT -6
It's a bit like Donna Summer; popular with gay people, but was also part of disco mainstream.
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