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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Oct 21, 2011 13:17:00 GMT -6
I get so sick of hearing about the repubilcans are bad are they are good and the same for the democrats.
Why not stiop championing either party.
AWAKE PEOPLE! We pride our selves on striving to awaken,yet some here champion the dems while some champion the repubs.
Don't you relize alll the bickering and crap between the two parties is a smoke screen to keep people deluded.
Neither party really has WE The PEOPLES vested interests at heart just THEIR interests,both parties are dead set on running America into the ground and they keep the masses hypnotized with their On Stage Political Psychdrama.
We the Cult of Cthulhu must rise above and awaken to their Psychodrama and realize it is nothing more then an Illusion a MATRIX if you will.
I sometimes wonder if I am the only one here on this great forum they has awaked to that fact at times.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 21, 2011 15:44:04 GMT -6
I think that most of us are aware of the need to rise above the dichotomy, yet realistic enough to champion (read: vote for) the lesser of two evils. In the next Presidential election, you have several options...
1. vote for Barack Obama
2. vote for Mitt Romney (unless I'm very much mistaken)
3. vote for a third party candidate
4. stay away from the polls
What would you have us do, brother? Cultists can do as they wish, but I recommend they choose option #1. If you have a different answer, then please share it with us. Along with the logic behind your decision.
By His loathsome tentacles,
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Oct 21, 2011 19:24:42 GMT -6
The two party system is an obvious game of good cop bad cop. Neither one of them cops is on your side.
I actually got tempted to vote when Barrack was running. But I just could not do it, and I seriously doubt that anything would ever cause me to make such a gesture of aquiescance. Tis a whack game all around and I'll have none of it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2011 2:54:30 GMT -6
The two party system is an obvious game of good cop bad cop. Neither one of them cops is on your side. I actually got tempted to vote when Barrack was running. But I just could not do it, and I seriously doubt that anything would ever cause me to make such a gesture of aquiescance. Tis a whack game all around and I'll have none of it.
As a famous French humorist stated : If the elections were of use to something, it has been a long time since they would have suppress them.
I choose option #4.
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 22, 2011 10:01:32 GMT -6
I totally agree Timotheus, both are pure corruption & do what the corporation tell them. We need to get money out of politics completely. I don't know how to do it but that would be my dream. It would be good for the democratic system as well as save the souls of the politicians:)
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Post by talek on Oct 22, 2011 22:03:45 GMT -6
@ Timotheus Prophet of Darkness, This I, absolutely, 100% agree with you, they are two heads on the same snake, for man controls nothing, but his or her delusions and illusions, for governments are not for the people of the people or by the people, they are for total controll of the masses to which the best way is by the mind and through the senses, people are their own worst enemy, but as Master Satanis says what would you have us to do, is a good question, to which he gave some good options. I choose option #5, a write in. In 2012, I am going to write in our Dread Lord Cthulhu! Is it not Our Dread Lord Cthulhu's Aeon ( aeon = originally means "life", and/or "being", though it then tended to mean "age", "forever" or "for eternity). for after all the Stars will be Right, it is the Great Galactic Alignment! How long, Dread Lord, unholy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell upon the earth?
That is not dead which can eternal lie and with strange aeons even death may die!
Talek
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 23, 2011 8:58:14 GMT -6
Writing in "Dread Cthulhu", is essentially option #3.
To abandon Barack Obama and the Democratic party at a time like this is to allow the worst side of the coin to remain in power or completely take charge. Think of it logically, disgruntled Republicans, Tea Party, and conservatives are not going to write Rush Limbaugh on their ballot, they're not going to stay away from the polls, and they're not going to vote for a Libertarian/moderate/green party or some such candidate. No, they are obviously going to vote for the Republican nominee. Even if they don't like his Mormon religion, the color of his skin, or his compassion for immigrants.
Here's a logic problem for you: do you think things would be A) better or B) worse if the Republicans controlled all three branches of our government. Assuming you chose (B), what is, logically, the best way to prevent Republicans from gaining or maintaining control? If you guessed voting Democrat, then kudos... cause that was the right answer.
Obviously, you can do what you want, but think about the outcome of your decisions carefully before you proceed. Even if there was some kind of miraculous revolution or whatever. Things won't fundamentally change. Society will remain in an unfortunate dichotomy between not-that-great and god-awful. Be your own savior, your own third side. That means being responsible enough to make tough choices.
Help those who offer a few grains of good will. Do you know how much President Obama has struggled? Benefited the United States? Jesus Christ, Barack gets less credit than I do! We've both suffered extraordinarily in order to bring conscious leadership to the masses. Pay attention to what is actually going on - for all our sakes!
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
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Post by sin on Oct 23, 2011 9:14:03 GMT -6
What of the electoral college vote?
www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#process
I didn't vote for Obama, in fact...I didn't vote at all for the presidential election. I reserve my vote for local representatives.
"In 2000 there were a total of 538 electoral votes available with 270 needed to win. Republican George W. Bush, with 50,456,002 popular votes won 271 electoral votes. His Democratic opponent, Al Gore, won the popular vote with 50,999,897 votes, but won only 266 electoral votes. Bush was elected president. "
I don't see how the Dems have made any progress in this country during Obama's 4 year run. Can you point me to what you see as a recognizeable actualization of American progress?
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Post by sin on Oct 23, 2011 9:28:41 GMT -6
online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903366504576490841235575386.html"But the move by S&P still could serve as a psychological haymaker for an American economic recovery that can't find much traction, and could do more damage to investors' increasing lack of faith in a political system that is struggling to reach consensus even on everyday policy matters. It could lead to the prompt debt downgrades of numerous companies and states, driving up their costs of borrowing. Policy makers are also anxious about any hidden icebergs the move could suddenly reveal."
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 23, 2011 9:47:58 GMT -6
What of the electoral college vote?
www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/faq.html#process
I didn't vote for Obama, in fact...I didn't vote at all for the presidential election. I reserve my vote for local representatives.
"In 2000 there were a total of 538 electoral votes available with 270 needed to win. Republican George W. Bush, with 50,456,002 popular votes won 271 electoral votes. His Democratic opponent, Al Gore, won the popular vote with 50,999,897 votes, but won only 266 electoral votes. Bush was elected president. "
I don't see how the Dems have made any progress in this country during Obama's 4 year run. Can you point me to what you see as a recognizeable actualization of American progress?
CS
You mean, Obama's three year run? I'm going to let the experts answer this question for me:
3chicspolitico.com/president-obamas-accomplishments/
obamaachievements.org/list
planetpov.com/2011/02/13/a-short-list-of-pres-obamas-accomplishments/
www.supportforpresidentobama.com/2010/12/president-obama-list-of-accomplishments.html
www.barackobama.com/
I'm not saying, "you must vote Democrat." Rather, I'm saying that if a person doesn't vote Democrat, then I'm not going to be sympathetic to their bitching about how things suck if the Republicans are in control.
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Post by sin on Oct 23, 2011 10:23:12 GMT -6
How can it be a separate issue, if this is specifically how the President is elected? As I demonstrated in 2000, Bush was elected in spite of not having the popular vote count - he had (1) electoral vote more than his opponent.
I tend to vote for the representative with a plan that makes sense, and watch to ensure those promises made are kept (as much as they can be). To vote for a Dem, in favor of a Republican (based on that alone) makes little sense.
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Oct 24, 2011 18:11:27 GMT -6
Back in maybe 06 or 07 Bush suggested a new health plan. He said something along the lines of "let's look at how Massachusetts does it?"
It's on youtube, alas I have no link handy.
Massachusetts of course does not have free universal health care, nor privatized health care. They have coersive health care. What we now call Obama care. That's what Bush was talking about.
Obama has not legalized marijuana.
Up intill a week ago I could claim that he showed no intention of ending these wars....he did actually surge troops soon after taking office. Why is it ending now and did Obama have anything to do with the formation of the current plan.
They made a big deal about how Obama had grass roots campaign funding. A quick search reveals that his funding came from CEOs and CFOs of major corporations. Grass roots? Was the grass perhaps the new GMO Kenntuky rye which Monsanto recently unleashed upon a one wild, dynamic, vibrant emerald globe? Look that new grass up, and imagine every lawn in America, perfect, just perfect.
What I'm getting at is the policy descisions do not seem to be made by any of these figure heads. The Dems just put a prettier gentler spin on our general enslavement, bamboozlement and exploitation.
I for one will not bitch when the republicans take office again about how much it sucks now that they have power. I take it as part of the game. Things aint perfect, I am faced with obstacles. I shall thrive nonetheless.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2011 15:21:01 GMT -6
Do you know how much President Obama has struggled? Benefited the United States? Jesus Christ, Barack gets less credit than I do! We've both suffered extraordinarily in order to bring conscious leadership to the masses. Pay attention to what is actually going on - for all our sakes!
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
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Master Satanis,Since I discovered the Cult of Cthulhu I always agreed with you, not because I decided to blindly follow you, simply because I always had been sincerely convinced. This subject is the first exception and in a sense it's a good thing; as a politician of my country once stated, "if we all think the same thing then we are not thinking any more".
I took my time to think again, read the link you provided about Obama's deeds.
You know, decisions taken in the US have a tremendous impact all over the world, and that's why even from the other side of an ocean I (we) must be well informed about US policy.
Do you have any idea of the hope that seized the whole world after Obama's election ? He would had been elected with 80% had the election been worldwilde. I bet Bush was the most hated man on earth, but now the disappointment is huge.
Sorry but I see little difference with Bush. Infamous Guantanamo camp, "patriot act", secret prisons, assassinations without trial, missiles & bombs, "collateral damages", political corruption, outsourcing & jobs destruction, hundreds of billions given to the banks and corporations, lobbies, debt, deficit, indecent military spending, etc, etc, nothing important really changed.
Sorry but according to me Obama only proved that there are no differences between a black and a white president. That's something...
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 26, 2011 15:46:29 GMT -6
America needs to change drastically & that's for certain. Fuck the health care, fuck the wars(whether in one or not), we need to reestablish how we run things. I don't like socialism as an answer, yet more than that I don't like the american public being silenced by huge corporations that found their way in to my democratic process when they push the agendas I don't agree with.
This all has to do with us as a people not communicating & watching each others back when it comes to us seeing something we do not agree with. We must use the OWS movement as an extension of our selves in the democratic process. No longer will we watch TV & sit at home hoping the world will become better thanks to the ultra, responsible Rich who will make things better. We as a people(the human race) are starting to trust in one another(again) to do the right thing. If we lift this off the right way, we can build this to be a new form of communication, a world communication.
Others wise we should just trust the Federal Government to make these decisions for us till we don't care anymore & we can finally watch that new TV show that just came out:)
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Post by sin on Oct 26, 2011 16:00:01 GMT -6
I think that's the most intelligent thing stated in this thread thus far.
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Post by boksmutant on Oct 26, 2011 16:02:49 GMT -6
Here's a cool scene for dealing with the 10% that we don't know what to do with lol.
We can do a lot as a people, but we just don't have the inspiration.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 27, 2011 10:51:14 GMT -6
Do you know how much President Obama has struggled? Benefited the United States? Jesus Christ, Barack gets less credit than I do! We've both suffered extraordinarily in order to bring conscious leadership to the masses. Pay attention to what is actually going on - for all our sakes!
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
Master Satanis,Since I discovered the Cult of Cthulhu I always agreed with you, not because I decided to blindly follow you, simply because I always had been sincerely convinced. This subject is the first exception and in a sense it's a good thing; as a politician of my country once stated, "if we all think the same thing then we are not thinking any more".
I took my time to think again, read the link you provided about Obama's deeds.
You know, decisions taken in the US have a tremendous impact all over the world, and that's why even from the other side of an ocean I (we) must be well informed about US policy.
Do you have any idea of the hope that seized the whole world after Obama's election ? He would had been elected with 80% had the election been worldwilde. I bet Bush was the most hated man on earth, but now the disappointment is huge.
Sorry but I see little difference with Bush. Infamous Guantanamo camp, "patriot act", secret prisons, assassinations without trial, missiles & bombs, "collateral damages", political corruption, outsourcing & jobs destruction, hundreds of billions given to the banks and corporations, lobbies, debt, deficit, indecent military spending, etc, etc, nothing important really changed.
Sorry but according to me Obama only proved that there are no differences between a black and a white president. That's something...
Now is the moment of Awakening.
I don't mind if Cultists disagree with me, (actually, I encourage it); however, I do like to know the reasons why in order to provide fruitful discussion, if not metanoia. Perhaps, we'll have to agree to disagree on that point... or other points. Especially since it's difficult for me to defend President Obama from vague charges of "corruption" and "debt". You said that you read the lists of his accomplishments. Do you have a response to those? Nor have you mentioned anything about the obstruction in the Republican controlled Congress. What about the mess Bush/Cheney left our country in before they left office?
Isn't a moderate Democrat (which Obama is) better than an extreme Republican? That's the real argument here.
I'm sure you are informed on U.S. politics, Yrreiht, but I don't know exactly where your information comes from or its accuracy. Just keep in mind that one man can't do it all. Obama needs help. That's why he's been reaching out to the American people in 2011. Similarly, a few Cultists expect me to pull Yog-Sothoth out of Universe C and just hand them Godhood. By now, I hope that most understand the improbability of such expectations. From my perspective, it's no different than the hope and prosperity which Obama was supposed to yield... all within the first year of his Presidency! What did people think would happen after voting all those Republicans and Tea Party-ers back in 2010?
Thankfully, the Occupy Movements are also manifesting change. This could be a model for CoC Grottoes if that's what Cultists wish. But again, no one should expect me to do all their work for them. Maybe Occupy will become a new catalyst for progress alongside President Obama. Time will tell.
Regardless of what happens, I believe that myself, my family, and those keeping our Viridescent Teaching in their hearts will be able to weather any storm... no matter if it's economic collapse, disintegration of our civil rights, or worldwide bloodshed. The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die!
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis
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Post by kaetain on Oct 27, 2011 11:29:02 GMT -6
Personally, I agree with those who have said "Two sides of the same coin". The way I see it is this: Would you trust a Politician to keep their word? Of course not, no one really does. We all WANT to believe them and what they promise. Alas, at the end of the day we all know they are full of shit and just trying to get elected or stay in office, pass a bill, etc. The President, is the one politician who climbed the ladder of politics, screwing over, lying, manipulating and sometimes even murdering and using illegal means to get to the top. They are, in essence, the worst of the worst. So WHY should anyone trust ANYTHING a President says? I choose, instead, to support the ideals, beliefs and convictions I possess, despite who is in office. they are all the same scum (and not of the slimy, fun variety lol) as far as I am concerned.
I do, however, support campaigns AGAINST politicians lol I don't see ANY of them actually doing anything about the real issues in this country. All I see are criminals calling themselves "Rep. of the People" and do nothing of merit except half-assed laws that they allow to be repealed in a matter of weeks or months and voting themselves pay raises! lol
The day we have a Presidential candidate that wears a Cthulhu 4 President badge, I will vote for him lol
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 27, 2011 11:57:23 GMT -6
Personally, I agree with those who have said "Two sides of the same coin". The way I see it is this: Would you trust a Politician to keep their word? Of course not, no one really does. We all WANT to believe them and what they promise. Alas, at the end of the day we all know they are full of shit and just trying to get elected or stay in office, pass a bill, etc. The President, is the one politician who climbed the ladder of politics, screwing over, lying, manipulating and sometimes even murdering and using illegal means to get to the top. They are, in essence, the worst of the worst. So WHY should anyone trust ANYTHING a President says? I choose, instead, to support the ideals, beliefs and convictions I possess, despite who is in office. they are all the same scum (and not of the slimy, fun variety lol) as far as I am concerned. I do, however, support campaigns AGAINST politicians lol I don't see ANY of them actually doing anything about the real issues in this country. All I see are criminals calling themselves "Rep. of the People" and do nothing of merit except half-assed laws that they allow to be repealed in a matter of weeks or months and voting themselves pay raises! lol The day we have a Presidential candidate that wears a Cthulhu 4 President badge, I will vote for him lol
If you're going to lay such charges against the American President, then be prepared to back up your allegations. Can you explain yourself? For instance, how did Barack Obama murder anyone in order to get to the highest office... which you claim is the most corrupt? And who? Where's your proof?
It's far too easy to criticize without having any kind of actionable plan, understanding political subtleties, and gratitude for what some of the non (or even less) corrupt politicians have done for us. That's one of the biggest problems with the internet - no accountability.
Do you favor anarchy? Or maybe you'd rather live in some kind of perfectly imaginary utopia? Good luck finding that. Just try surviving without laws and government? Honestly, what do you think might happen? I wish we had an island for all the critics who bitch and complain without giving anything back.
You see, this is the problem with people. They are dissatisfied enough with things, but not to the point where they are willing to do anything about it. Aside, from the aforementioned bitching and complaining, that is.
Part of the third side is going beyond the dichotomy. Great, everyone seems on board with that idea. However, another part of the third side is taking an objective appraisal of a situation in order to make the best possible choice here and now. So you hate all politicians... so what? What's your plan?
Oh yeah, welcome to the CoC forum. Enjoy your stay. 
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2011 14:49:16 GMT -6
Cthulhu for president ? Not a new idea : 
www.cthulhu.org/
or google "cthulhu president" to see cool pictures.
Now to answer to Master Satanis, my informations are from the main medias in French and in English, from many blogs such as zerohedge, antiwar, from others sources such as Iranian, Chinese & Russian news.
I develop this point : Guantanamo camp, "patriot act" and assassinations without trial.
America had been, from WW2 to the election of Bush, a moral standard for the world. Although not an angel, at least the USA apparently respected the common rules, the international laws : habeas corpus, respect of the rights. Since Bush, since 9/11, laws & rights are lost. Don't underestimate this. America has lost his moral prestige, and it is and it will cost a lot.
It is now OK for the USA to murder without trial anyone, anywhere in the world, with a missile killing or hardly injuring tens of by-standers, just because someone (we will never know who) in the administration decided it.
Please read again the previous paragraph, free yourself from influences (yes but, etc) and decide if this is good or bad. Keep in mind that no other country is doing this.
OK, Bush put it in place, but Obama did nothing to return to the laws & the rights.
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 27, 2011 18:58:29 GMT -6
Cthulhu for president ? Not a new idea :
www.cthulhu.org/
or google "cthulhu president" to see cool pictures.
Now to answer to Master Satanis, my informations are from the main medias in French and in English, from many blogs such as zerohedge, antiwar, from others sources such as Iranian, Chinese & Russian news.
I develop this point : Guantanamo camp, "patriot act" and assassinations without trial.
America had been, from WW2 to the election of Bush, a moral standard for the world. Although not an angel, at least the USA apparently respected the common rules, the international laws : habeas corpus, respect of the rights. Since Bush, since 9/11, laws & rights are lost. Don't underestimate this. America has lost his moral prestige, and it is and it will cost a lot.
It is now OK for the USA to murder without trial anyone, anywhere in the world, with a missile killing or hardly injuring tens of by-standers, just because someone (we will never know who) in the administration decided it.
Please read again the previous paragraph, free yourself from influences (yes but, etc) and decide if this is good or bad. Keep in mind that no other country is doing this.
OK, Bush put it in place, but Obama did nothing to return to the laws & the rights.
Awake!
Regarding the killing of Osama Bin Laden... I can't see where the problem was. Al-Qaeda was clearly at war with the U.S. The killing of foot soldiers, 5 star generals and everyone in between is perfectly valid during wartime. 'To my knowledge, there's never been a dispute whether Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were involved in the 9/11 attacks. However, when there was a question of an individual's association with Al-Qaeda and terrorism against the U.S., we do a thorough investigation.
Furthermore, if the CoC felt it needed to dispose of an enemy, would we instead opt for a long, expensive trial? I don't think so. Part of the LHP Jihad is to eradicate terrorism. Eradication requires the swift killing of key adversaries, doesn't it?
Now, perhaps you will comment on the good things which President Obama has done for America. Or is he to be a scapegoat for all the bad things in our world? Also, you haven't mentioned the alternative (aside from Cthulhu for President). And I mean a realistic alternative. Yes, I'm looking at you Ron Paul. If Obama left the oval office today, then who would take his place?
Keep in mind that foreign opinion of U.S. affairs is different than our own views of what is happening here. I can only imagine what a blog called "antiwar" says about my country.
The flip-flopper Romney probably wouldn't be all that terrible since he stands for nothing aside from pleasing the majority in order to acquire or keep his position. But I can't support a candidate who has no inner or true will. President Obama makes the hard decisions, even if some are unpopular. That's one of the reasons why, in my opinion, he is a great leader.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2011 1:39:50 GMT -6
Well, the "patriot act" in a few words allow the administration to bypass all the laws and to respect none of the rights of the suspects every time national safety is estimated (by who ? we will never know) to be at risk... I exaggerate because I have to summarize, but not by much. It had never been done in history of democracy, even in war times.
OK here is a key to any debate. Obama of course know the truth as well as Bush. 9/11 was an inside job, for me it is obvious. Please take 5 minutes of your time to watch this :
That's a key for any appreciation of the policies that followed this event.
I admit that Obama is better than the republicans of today. Yes he did good things.
Hugh ! I told everything, luckily this is not a central point. I will focus on our emerald religion.
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Post by sin on Oct 28, 2011 6:41:38 GMT -6
Isn't the Occupy Movement just that? A venue for more bitching, with no real solutions provided? In all of my research and observation, I see no real change being brought about by these protests. In fact, they are just adding to the media sensationalism which skews just about everything in data design.
For example, creating an aura of 'police brutality' leads the people to believe that the protestors are being victimized; when in truth, people are just using the movement as an excuse to be unruly, break laws, and add to the problem. They don't seem to be aware of the resources they are using up, or the tax dollars they are wasting. There are far better ways to get the attention of state representatives.
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Nov 28, 2011 14:51:28 GMT -6
Isn't the Occupy Movement just that? A venue for more bitching, with no real solutions provided? In all of my research and observation, I see no real change being brought about by these protests. In fact, they are just adding to the media sensationalism which skews just about everything in data design.
For example, creating an aura of 'police brutality' leads the people to believe that the protestors are being victimized; when in truth, people are just using the movement as an excuse to be unruly, break laws, and add to the problem. They don't seem to be aware of the resources they are using up, or the tax dollars they are wasting. There are far better ways to get the attention of state representatives.
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Post by sin on Nov 29, 2011 9:39:06 GMT -6
Here we are weeks later, and what has the OWS Movement actualized?
At the very least, we can say 'awareness' of what? I can't be sure. It varies from person to person (supporters of the movement) as to what they have been made aware of.
What will these folks do with their new found awareness? Only time will tell. At this point, I see no change. I continue to monitor it.
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