The reality of the collective conscience

[Areion Osprek'ar]

The following I posted as a blog on my myspace page sometime ago. As it happens, it correlates with Venger's words, "One man’s strange belief is seen as madness; however, that
strange belief, when shared by a thousand men, slowly becomes
fact."





After doing much "soul searching" here recently, I have come to the conclusion that God, Satan, and every other god that has ever been worshiped throughout history exists. Let me explain.

How can 1,000,000,000 Chinese people be wrong? They have their own gods that they follow. Just because I (or anyone else for that matter ) choose not to believe in those gods doesn't mean they don't exist. To the Chinese, they're VERY real.

The same can be said about ANY religion. I choose not to believe in any god at this time. but they still exist. When so many people believe in something it tends to take on a life all it's own. The "power of prayer" attributed to "God" is nothing more than a rather large group of people focusing all their "psychic" energy on one certain thing at a given time. Much like a destruction ritual or "curse" performed by a large group of Satanists would have the same effect.

So whether I (or anyone else) choose to believe in "God" or not, he still exists. that's the reality of the collective conscience. Opinions?

[jameson]

The idea of a collective mind is absurd.I have my biases on such a view.The mind is but a machine and magick is when the parts are finely tuned and operating on a max level.Demons,angels gods are as individual as sensations colors,thoughts etc.None of these gods are real unless I choose them to be.Being human is being god.I digress.Theres no collective mind,but as cults like xianity and Islam show us,there is a brainwashed collective,connected in being blank slates to be marked on by authority.

Any god is but a program to be run by the mind,nothing more than the ancient technology of deification and belief in synchronization.I choose to believe in Haures today,it serves my purposes ;D



How can 1,000,000 Chinese people be wrong?They can't as there was never a right in the first place.They're just stumbling blindly for an answer where there is none like the rest of us.

[I AM the Way]

this multi-dimensional hologram works in mysterious ways... spooky logic and so forth.

does one's beliefs necessarily influence or infringe upon another's reality? maybe? yes and no?

does a certain amount of ego strength (Will) lend greater quality, and therefore power, to one's subjective reality? i think it does, but i'd be interested in hearing other's thoughts on the matter.


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

[jameson]

I think for ever hundred or whatever billions of people in the world,we each have our own copy of the world or reality that we live in.If you want to look at it,we are the only real things in our world.These realities can intercept,stack like layer upon layer of visual imagery etc.In other words the world is illusory and theres nothing more than a singularity.That singularity is you.These receptacles of meat around you,equally as illusory though they represent recipients in their own worlds,resembling others like you.Do what you will or will not to them,they influence your reality just as an hallucination is real in a LSD trip.Such is the holographic reality to me.Yeah they punch me it hurts,I fuck them it feels good,but like all senses they're as real as you believe they are.Gods in my reality I am one,in yours you are whether you want to believe it or not.Whether our copies are identical of the worlds we live in and the things that inhabit them,there is no way to know.

[dzepxich]

admin said:

this multi-dimensional hologram works in mysterious ways... spooky logic and so forth.

does one's beliefs necessarily influence or infringe upon another's reality? maybe? yes and no?

does a certain amount of ego strength (Will) lend greater quality, and therefore power, to one's subjective reality? i think it does, but i'd be interested in hearing other's thoughts on the matter.


Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

[dzepxich]

I messed up when i tried to quote, i'm new at this.

I believe Will is the key. A powerful mage imposes his/her vision of reality on others as a matter of course. I believe "reality" is a quantum wave function & one can change it by paying attention or "observing" discrete aspects of it.

If one "observes" an area that no one else is paying attention to, one can cause the quantum wave to collapse into a specific pattern. One can learn to cause a "cascade collapse" to achieve specific effects. "Reality" is much more malleable than the "sleepeople" expect or realize (thank the gods!).

That's why most rituals work better late at night, or in very remote areas. If the mage is the only one observing, s/he has a much easier task. In group workings, it is essential that everyone in the group visualize the same outcome. Ritual helps to concentrate everyones mind on the same thing, as well as raise the energy level to cause a change in reality.

I do not discount the possibility of a "collective unconscious", and believe that the gods of man were created by men in man's image. I do not think the Great Old Ones are man's creation though.

H.P.L. often speaks of the GOO as being "aliens" & the elder races are definately aliens. That is why they are amoral, not "good" or "evil". They just don't care about humans or human concerns. "Evil" is what people do, not what they are, the same as "Good". Both are defined by humans.

I would expect that any "social" race that has advanced beyond their native planet would have a strong "ethical" system, having abandoned "morality" as ideas imposed from a fictional "higher" authority.

It depends on what one thinks the "answer" is. I belive the "answer" to many questions is Azathoth. Yog-Sothoth is a good one too. Summon & speak with the Black Man for many more .

[Madguten]

I messed up when i tried to quote, i'm new at this.

Yeah, er have all been THERE at some time, in a year you will probably be a internet pro though. ;D

It definately looks like you are on to something.

I am speculating a bit on this supject myself at the moment.

EDIT:
I just had this thought, Our kind is more or less uneffected by the waves of the collective illusion. Of course the great hand of fate still effects us, but our illusions are weaved of a darker cloth.

[dzepxich]

I've always been attracted to the dark side. & the funny thing is, I'm the most contented person i know. lol. I'm quite comfortable with the idea that Yog-Sothoth is coterminous with all time & space, Azathoth is a naked singularity at the heart of our universe, & Cthulhu sleeps in the depths.