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Post by lokidreaming on Oct 26, 2011 23:24:32 GMT -6
@cs
I need some time to get my thoughts together, then I shall answer your responses to me via this post and the COC Wall one.
As in I have printed out the relevant reply posts to ponder on (Already printed out VS essay, I mostly print his essays out to ponder over it)
LD
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Post by lokidreaming on Oct 26, 2011 23:25:30 GMT -6
*a bit of anger rises in me.* if, I have to follow a rigid line of this and that then the COC isn't for me. Can I have some more clarification on why you feel this way please. LD
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Post by sin on Oct 27, 2011 8:45:56 GMT -6
@cs I need some time to get my thoughts together, then I shall answer your responses to me via this post and the COC Wall one. As in I have printed out the relevant reply posts to ponder on (Already printed out VS essay, I mostly print his essays out to ponder over it) LD Fair enough... Follow through.
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Post by talek on Oct 28, 2011 11:47:08 GMT -6
Ipsissimus Satanis asked the question quote : Ask yourself the following question. Until a Cultist is Conscious, should his will be considered subordinate to the Will of the Cthulhu Cult? unquote:
This is to me an excellent and fair question, for this brings to the forefront the key words, conscious, will, and subordination.
If the will of the Cult is Autonomy, Power, and Self Deification, then yes my will is subordinate to the Cults'.
My first look was how do I define will? I am now using the fourth way system as my center, my default with in the Cults' paradigm. Will to me then means being am to "do". Until I am able to "do" which comes about by self remembering, thus self remembering gives me a sustained conscious experience and congruence within self and the Cult's paradigm. Until I am able to achieve any amount of sustainable self remembering, then I am still working on self to eradicate the will of my machine, which is no will at all.
This brings to mind of utilizing the tools provided within the Cult to obtain sustainable self remembering, which to me is being subordinate to the will of the Cult. Moving from user to Cultist. I cannot do this on my own for I need others to provide some amount of validation, even if it is from a distance, because by sharing experiences I think that validation can come about.
As I paraphrase Echkhart Tolle saying the Internet forum and or by active participation through electronic communications provides a web of energy of it's own, to me this means people seeking the same overall goals. If I have the same goals as the Cults and vise versa, then I believe I am linked in to this web of energy. This web of energy is defined by me as active participation and working along the three lines with in the Cult's paradigm which is being subordinate to the Cult.
Until I obtain overall Power, Autonomy, and Self Deification then I will have to use the Cult's tools to obtain congruence so I can be the key that unlocks all of the gates set before me. This is my collective and individualist chosen vehicle to "godhood" , the Cult of Cthulhu. This Cult of Cthulhu is a great web of energy and the reason why I am here.
I recommend the reading of The Green Trapezoid Quarterly 2011, which is loaded with information on answering this question and for people who may be thinking about being a Cthulhu Cultist. In this is Metanoia, the Essay be a Cultist and in this essay which includes eight questions that each initiate should ask themselves, which is excellent, and the last essay by Ipsissimus Satanis, Limelight Prison Muscles Each are Backseat Driving through the Desert Gate. To me these are some excellent tools to start with on The Cult of Cthulhus' Paradigm.
Remember yourself, for the Emerald Kingdom is at hand!
The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die!
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu!
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Post by sin on Oct 31, 2011 11:10:58 GMT -6
*a bit of anger rises in me.* if, I have to follow a rigid line of this and that then the COC isn't for me. The outline that I reviewed, seemed to have a rather rigid structure for the roles within the CoC. Each title had a list of responsibilities and/or commitments. If this proposal were ever to be enforced, would this turn you away from the CoC Richard, is this what you mean?
CS
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Post by glade on Oct 31, 2011 13:58:18 GMT -6
Let me review once again the outline of responsibilites and commitments. I don't mean to weeny out at the moment. I was just able to get online to check mail and such. It's my on call day and shortly I must leave. I will comment further at the very first opportunity. Thank you for your response. Thanks to Talek also. Happy Halloween.
Awake. Richard
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Post by sin on Nov 1, 2011 6:20:06 GMT -6
Fair enough Richard. To clarify, the outline I mentioned was sent to me in private email, it was a rough-draft proposal, not something the CoC is using currently. The outline for the current Mentoring Program is on the main website www.cultofcthulhu.net. Here: www.cultofcthulhu.net/i-am-the-way-2/
CS
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Post by sin on Nov 3, 2011 14:13:30 GMT -6
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Post by lokidreaming on Nov 5, 2011 0:47:36 GMT -6
Due to how this site is now set up, I have to remind myself to log in all else when I browse through the posts it doesn't show that I ahve logged in the last 24 hours lol
LD
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Post by lokidreaming on Nov 6, 2011 22:17:09 GMT -6
@cs I need some time to get my thoughts together, then I shall answer your responses to me via this post and the COC Wall one. As in I have printed out the relevant reply posts to ponder on (Already printed out VS essay, I mostly print his essays out to ponder over it) LD Fair enough... Follow through. @cs @vs Not following through is a way how I self destruct. More comfortable speaking to you two privately about this rather than publicly. Belief IS Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by sin on Nov 7, 2011 8:16:03 GMT -6
Understood. Feel free to pm me.
CS
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Post by glade on Nov 14, 2011 12:54:22 GMT -6
I realize acension and growth in the Cult is important. Leaning on the knowledge and experience of mentors and more experienced Cultist is benificial for ones participation and growth and not looked upon as bowing to the will of others. People group themselves together for reasons of growth, nuture, progression, acension and for the plain fact that people feel the same about certain things in this life and world. There is strength from this. Not fractures or decension. I have told myself this and told myself to study, listen, learn. Throwing off old instutionalized ideas are hard to do, but is necessary. I look for the who, what, where, why in all things. In reflection, the COC can do this. My apology for my rising anger statement. The links were helpful
Awake
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Post by sin on Nov 14, 2011 15:28:04 GMT -6
If you recall how Agent Smith would penetrate those in the Matrix with his programming, don't let him in. With the right training, you will recognize an agent in your proximity.
Even agents are trapped in the Matrix, Smith wanted out like the rest of us. The dynamic of Smith and Neo, is worthy of examination.
Ask yourself these questions Richard:
1. Why did Smith need to eliminate Neo? 2. Why was it imperative that Neo seek the power of the Machines to subdue Smith? 3. What is agent Smith?
CS RISE!
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Nov 15, 2011 20:35:17 GMT -6
Agent Smith's original purpose was to eliminate trouble makers within The Matrix, however it's interesting to note that at some point, he must've gone rogue and started acting more self aware than his cohorts.
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Post by sin on Nov 19, 2011 7:32:10 GMT -6
"Behold, I have created the Smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the waster to destroy." -Isaiah, 54:16
Trouble-makers is one way to put it, another would be to say that his role is to keep order in the Matrix. His 'program' contains A.I. and as the Oracle explains, Smith is both Neo's opposite and his negative. This is a meticulous choice of wording. It is through Smith, that Neo is able to fully realize his potential as The One. In the first film, it appears that Neo has eliminated Agent Smith, but by the second, it is revealed that not only is Smith still in the Matrix, he has been freed from the control of the machine collective. With his liberated freedom he is able to replicate himself and his evolution is essentially a virus within the Matrix, problematic to the Master Machine. Smith's role as Neo's opposite and his negative, is the force that drives Smith to exit the Matrix and its simulated reality, and enter the reality of Neo. Smith's character is dynamic, in that he appears to be the only agent that has some form of individuality from the beginning, and it is through that individuality that he begins to resent the Matrix holding him prisoner as well. Smith makes realizations of his own, through Neo.
Smith's speech on his thoughts about humanity.
Ironic, considering that Smith appears to have taken cues from the same humanity he seems to hold in contempt for its abilities.
If human beings are a virus, then Smith too must become a virus for his own survival (power), autonomy, and self-deification.
At this stage in the story, Smith proclaims that humanity is a plague and 'we' are the cure. Later, he realizes that in order for him to grow in power, he must take Neo out of the equation, as he would be the cure for Smith, as a plague.
So again I ask, What is Agent Smith?
CS
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Nov 23, 2011 12:52:55 GMT -6
Perhaps then he is a virus fighting another virus? So in this instance, The Matrix is very sick... Neo himself is the X factor. He is the one The Matrix does not control so in effect he alone has the ability to liberate humanity. Morpheus and the others are still controlled by The Matrix to some degree or another, but Neo alone is truly free. Smith himself became somewhat of an X factor when he attained free will. He knew that in order to be truly free from The Matrix, Neo is the key. He must eliminate Neo so that he could become the only X factor, lest Neo liberate humanity in which case, he would become trapped... Am I correct?
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Post by glade on Nov 23, 2011 20:27:28 GMT -6
This will give me something to do over the long holiday break. Thanks CS. Have a great tentacled Turkey Day.
Awake.
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Post by sin on Dec 12, 2011 9:47:34 GMT -6
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