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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 3, 2011 0:09:00 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Oct 3, 2011 7:23:52 GMT -6
It is rather scattered, but I think its still a worthy essay. It elaborates on several points you've already made in past essays, it tackles questions posed directly, it accepts opposing opinions while not losing adversarialism and maintaining your convictions.
It presents itself as a prologue to a future work on the Cthulhu Cult, perhaps the Cthulhu Cult Bible, expanded. It's also evidence of dialogue with the crowd that follows your work.
I think this was one of the most important statements you reinforced:
I don't think this can be over-stated enough.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 3, 2011 14:03:21 GMT -6
Ho yes it does. I'd like to have a paper book with all these essays & the awesome posts.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn !
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Post by dudetyson on Oct 3, 2011 20:12:03 GMT -6
Backseat driving IS a really good example. It really makes me want to flip at people who do it to me. I find my moving center reacting to their advice before my consciousness even engages, even if their advice is stupid. Alternatively I can tune people out to the point of not even hearing them, but that's tricky, because they might actually have a serious warning, or maybe are just trying to talk to me about something casual but if I truly tune them out it will be like I never even heard them.
Oh, choices.
"Focusing attention is what 4th Way practitioners do, but that intellectual exercise is rooted in something which logic alone cannot explain."
True. I think the answer to my own question there really has more to do with how life is emotional as well as intellectual. It is necessary to seek those non-logical right-brain states because there's more to life than figuring it out intellectually. There's finding the necessary fire, emotionally.
Of course, there is also the potential of really tapping into the Outside, which is just something else altogether. To me that would almost be more of a pragmatic, external exercise than a right-brained thing, except that it necessarily occurs through the right brain.
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Post by talek on Oct 3, 2011 20:59:35 GMT -6
Definitely have to reread , much food for thought. This reminded me of H P Lovecraft's notes on his writings. Here is a quote this reminded me of :
one of my strongest and most persistent wishes being to achieve, momentarily, the illusion of some strange suspension or violation of the galling limitations of time, space, and natural law which for ever imprison us and frustrate our curiosity about the infinite cosmic spaces beyond the radius of our sight and analysis. unquote.
Excellent Essay, I know why I am here, and this definitely eliminated any doubts, I may have entertained as to the goals and direction of the Cult of Cthulhu within the Left hand path. I don't know who said Exceptional Times requires Exceptional Leaders, I have found this, here among my fellow Cultist, our Priest and Priestess of R'lyeh, and especially in I AM the Way, Ipsissimus Satanis.
The God we worship is our future selves!
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu!
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Post by sin on Oct 4, 2011 6:37:14 GMT -6
Exactly Dude!
I had a film interview this past weekend, many of the questions were leading and the interviewer concluded that I don't fit any psychological model he had in his own mind. He was especially blown away by my response to a particular question, that dealt with the emotional and intellectual lives we live. The question was exploring what I personally do when I experience life pitfalls. In my personal experience, its okay to experience the emotions we have, allow them to pass over us, and then let it go. You keep pressing on. When you attach to your emotions, you are not allowing them to pass over you like a wave. The ebb and flow of our emotional states, directly address the intellectual.
If you have a moment of anger, for example. It's okay to be angry, to experience anger, then let it pass over you, you are no longer a part of it. It is not who you are, it is merely a bi-product of experience. Perhaps even an aspect of your make up. I know I am an emotional being, I am aware of my emotional potential. I'm also aware of how identifying with anger, can be a mechanism of unhealthy programming.
You may have observed or directly experienced an 'angry person'. A person who can find no joy in life, who associates everything they experience with that anger. That person does not exist. Only the anger exists. An angry bitter person, is not a happy person. This anger can stunt any potential they have to become something more than they are. Genuine happiness takes work yes, but I don't think that it has to be so grueling that the end doesn't satisfy the means. Once you find A WAY, intellectually, to manage your emotional states, it comes easier. Joy really can be easy.
Venger writes:
I think its too easy to focus on the past, the present is negated. Even imagining the future can deny you the moment of now. You can get so caught up in working at what you want in the future, that the day to day living of now can appear miserable.
He goes on to say:
Intellectually, you must find the correct measure for yourself, and your unique machine.
Being cold and calculating, is emotional oppression and it will come to a head eventually. An emotional implosion is sure way to defeat any correct efforts you have made for personal growth. A proverbial do-over, provided you recover quickly and keep pressing.
The interviewer commented that perhaps my over-intellectual approach to things, was the reason I didn't experience RELIGION. I laughed, I explained how I experience religion every day and what my religion really was. A true devotion to the self. I placed it in the context of many of the world religions I've studied, I gave contextual examples and contrasted that against what I do and practice - with awareness. He called me a very fortunate person, to which I replied: I believe we make our own fortunes.
I mentioned 'the cult' several times, not by name, I answered the questions in such a way as a marketing ploy - I'm all for sharing perspective and being 'used' for another's agenda (with conscious awareness of that agenda) but I'm also a user. This fascinating Satanist with the unique perspective is leading the viewer to a compulsion to investigate just what cult is being discussed.
The film is being released 2012, we'll just have to wait and see. Small percentage? A big rush of interest in the cult? Only time will tell, as I am in the now but glancing towards the future.A blurb from the documents sent to me: "Illuminare Creations is an independent production company that conceived for the sole purpose of changing the world. Our Mission is to provide the public with an insightful look at the major social issues we struggle with in our daily interactions. We take an innovative approach and a unique angle to the issues we examine. This is accomplished by going beyond the traditional scope of documentary films which often fails to unveil the psychosocial forces driving the conflicts we experience." illuminarecreations.com/
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 4, 2011 8:06:06 GMT -6
That sounds like a great opportunity, Cora'Sahn. I'm glad you were able to weave the Cult of Cthulhu in with your own personal journey. Let us know when the film comes out!
As to the rest, thanks for the feedback. Keep it coming!
Awake!
VS
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Post by dudetyson on Oct 4, 2011 10:40:36 GMT -6
Being cold and calculating, is emotional oppression and it will come to a head eventually. An emotional implosion is sure way to defeat any correct efforts you have made for personal growth. BOOM, this is what sometimes worries me about part of the 4th Way. The Self is uncompromisingly the whole rainbow of emotion, they are not something you can dismiss. You can live them out more intelligently, in ways that better satisfy the emotions rather than the shooting-yourself-in-the-foot often accomplished by people who do not observe themselves. But that's all you can do.
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Post by sin on Oct 4, 2011 10:49:35 GMT -6
And *THIS* has been my contention about how Ouspensky takes Gurdjieff's ideas, and takes them out of proper context. I started with Ouspensky, then Gurdjieff - all the red flags went up when doing a contrast comparison. I don't think Gurdjieff intended for all emotion to be detached, but instead experience it, allow it to come over you naturally and then let it go. This isn't the same thing as oppressing emotion. There is identifying and negative identifying - and THIS is the distinction to be made between HOW 4th Way is taught.
When I questioned Venger's strong liking to Ouspensky vs. Gurdjieff, he had very meticulous reasons as it relates to THIS paradigm. It makes sense, I can see his logic in doing so, but HIS WORK is not MY WORK, and so I adjust accordingly for myself. You too may need to make proper adjustments for yourself.
Using the Noble Path, as a model - remember the mindfulness and correct actions to take on your own behalf, to end attachment.
www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bodhi/waytoend.html
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Post by lokidreaming on Oct 4, 2011 23:58:51 GMT -6
Just a quick post to let you guys know I have read it.
Part 1 is what resonates with me strongly.
and also just letting COC know that I am still around, just trying to work out some stuff before I make I post stuff as I feel like a hypocrite if I post stuff online when I haven't got certain stuff sorted out.
Loki Dreaming
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