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Post by sin on Sept 21, 2011 10:20:30 GMT -6
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Post by dudetyson on Sept 22, 2011 21:52:13 GMT -6
Devotion. \m/
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Post by sin on Sept 23, 2011 7:13:16 GMT -6
I feel its an important element.
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Post by talek on Sept 24, 2011 23:30:21 GMT -6
I have to use my favorite word, Excellent. I have just begun to read this and it is something again I needed to read at the right time. When I first joined this Cult, I did not ask some of these very question to myself, that are in this excellent work. I have downloaded this and plan on reading it throughly and I will post my reply and comments, not necessarily a critique on your work, but how this pertains and effects me overall and individually. So maybe comments or a critique from you on my own comments would be excellent in helping me move forward in the work. I am now a follower of yours on Scribd, how I hate to use that word, follower, it has gotten me some fine critiques in the past, which did help me to move forward to say the least. Again Excellent, I love it when I have good sources and information I can actually use and implement, to move me along in the work!
Awake!
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Sept 26, 2011 6:50:09 GMT -6
I'm glad you were able to find use in it, and I look forward to any commentary you post on the subject. I will reply in kind.
That term 'Follower' usually chaps the ass of the LHPr, they can not admit that following implies that you recognize a leader. Even if that leadership is simply the spark of inspiration.
"The clear distinction between a following and a blind follower. If you recognize a workable idea, that is beneficial to you, you get behind it. If you did not originate the idea, you are following a lead. All it takes is the first follower, to lead other followers. The exemplar of how to follow a lead properly. The first follower, is the lead to other followers. The first follower is recognized as that lead, because results have been witnessed, results that other followers seek for themselves. The first follower becomes the chosen leader to many."
A direct quote from the paper To be a cultist.
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Post by talek on Sept 26, 2011 12:54:53 GMT -6
This reply on follower and the statement "The first follower, is the lead to other followers. The first follower is recognized as that lead, because results have been witnessed", is powerful. I remember when I orginally first came to the Cult of Cthulhu, before I vanished for sometime, this is what Lord Satanis was corresponding with me on my comments and replys in the forum, when I first began the "work", he was saying to me by my understanding, driving home, what are the results that you personally can witness in your life by being here, by practicing the work, is a change occuring, is a transformation taking place by being here with the Cult of Cthulhu? Yes, I was witnessing results, but after the shake up happened, I vanished and the old man returned, to which in itself is a witness to the results, if the work is not consistenly applied in the doing, as Master Satanis teaches us, we will degenerate, as I can witness too, back to the old self. That vanishing peroid and the stoppage of the work, proved to me individually that there are transformations, power, and acknowledgement in this religion, in this Cult, the Cult of Cthuhlu. I do not want to sound "praise", but just facts from my own witness and the results of my atrophy.
Here is quote from Liber A:O How does it feel to fail? What is the nature of continual suffering without purpose… without even knowing why this is man’s lot in life? You may think that ours is an imaginary religion full of make-believe Gods and hollow aesthetic sacraments, yet this framework stimulates us. The dangers of sleep are very real!!! unquote <>
Absolutely outstanding. : " While asleep, we can accomplish nothing. Therefore, the Cult of Cthulhu sees Awakening as the great leap towards transformation", another great quote from Liber A:O; Conclusion in respect, we are all followers of the Lead follower.
Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn! AWAKE !
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Sept 26, 2011 13:37:25 GMT -6
The schism was disruptive, and perhaps in-part, why you find me here once more. Improper usage of something I recognize as genius irritates me. In that regard, my attachment to it, my uneasiness drove me back here.
For me, I ask: what is it like to witness failure? Painful. I use to be more apathetic towards it, that in itself is a recognized marker for me.
A member of our social network shared this clip with me, along with a blog. I absolutely loved it, his blog made me laugh at times, and at others I couldn't help but totally agree. He called me the epitome of the first follower.
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Post by talek on Sept 27, 2011 19:51:53 GMT -6
I hope in time I may do the same in kind, about the epitome of the first follower. This is an excellent video, but at the end it raised a flag with my thoughts, Is fear the motivating factor, why do people do what they do ? Does fear make someone stand out to enlist a certain I, or does it keep the several I's in turmoil from aligning with each other? What is the motivating factor to make someone use a particular "I" at some moment, at some time, is all of this first follower, the lead, happenstance, for man has no will, he is a machine.
Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts.
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Sept 27, 2011 20:36:21 GMT -6
Why do people feel compelled to do what they do? I suppose, that depends on each person's unique world view, experiences, influences and chosen peer group. Examining human nature, in general, is helpful to recognize the nature of our machine. You could examine my nature, as an example, and contrast it against your own. Looking at others is easy, looking at yourself is hard.
In essence, you are looking at your own schematics to see what needs WORK and why.
It's a lot easier to say Don't worry, than it is not to worry. Happiness, is often the hardest of all. Momentary happiness can dissipate quickly. Hence, making efforts is continual. Staying motivated, is realizing you need motivation constantly. Problem is, unless you are aware that you are unmotivated, you remain a machine.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 28, 2011 14:07:39 GMT -6
I hope in time I may do the same in kind, about the epitome of the first follower. This is an excellent video, but at the end it raised a flag with my thoughts, Is fear the motivating factor, why do people do what they do ? Does fear make someone stand out to enlist a certain I, or does it keep the several I's in turmoil from aligning with each other? What is the motivating factor to make someone use a particular "I" at some moment, at some time, is all of this first follower, the lead, happenstance, for man has no will, he is a machine. Don't worry. Be happy. Make efforts. Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu There are many different types of fear, but yes... I would say that fear is one of the best motivating factors. Fear works, but a Cultist needs to be motivated by the other side too - passion, enjoyment, pleasure, fulfillment, love, etc.
How we react to fear influences our various 'I's. If we allow ourselves to be undone by fear, then Magnetic Center grows weak and cannot accomplish it's goal: the Unification of Work 'I's. On the other hand, if we use fear as a stimulant to motivate us to action, (is there enough time to Awaken?) then fear can be our ally.
Awake!
VS
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Post by sin on Sept 28, 2011 14:26:25 GMT -6
I couldn't agree more. At one time I feared public speaking, walking the streets at night alone, meeting new people, large crowds, and heights. Granted, this was when I was just a kid, but hell... look at me now! It certainly could have developed into phobias, and psychosis. It was definitely a motivator for me. I forced myself to do things I was uncomfortable doing, until the discomfort was no more.
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Post by talek on Sept 28, 2011 15:28:54 GMT -6
I didn't mean to change the direction of the Thread " To be a Cultist " because that is an excellent Essay, I believe this excellent essay can help people understand, when they arrive here, just why are they here? To point too, as I mentioned in an earlier reply, I didn't ask these questions, which brings me around to the direction of fear, and being part of the in crowd.
On the video, I was looking at the person standing outside the crowd, everyone else joined in, so my question was why, did they fear not being part of the in crowd, was it fear that motivated them, that one "I" whom eventually ran toward the crowd and now I am safe, no more fear, I am part of them, I won't be looked at as being not normal. In this aspect, correct me if I am wrong but fear is an emotion, and belongs to the emotional center of man. Then if fear motivated that person to move forward, it was a false "I", motivating that person to forward movement, then once being accepted, they just go back to sleep, now they are sleeping in the in crowd. This makes me think of how the world puts people to sleep. They motivate them using their fear and other emotions, to have forward motion, and then puts them asleep, for they are just imitating the first lead, the followers who became the leaders, but it is all imitation. They actually become sheep. In satanism today, if they are all reading material, quoting, and practicing from the same well source, from the same matrix, if the next follower who becomes the leader uses the matrix in the matrix, what has the leader accomplished? This is why I chose to come back to our beloved Cult. We are not a matrix, we are the users of matrixs, how is this possible, by the use of our fourth way system, and having at the core, man is a machine, that is asleep and only by awakening, doing the work, through the different levels of man, man 1 to man 8, only by achieving awareness can one see the matrix and know how to apply. Modern Satanism uses the same paradigms with in the same old world matrix, they do not raise their consciousness, you can read all the books you want on philosophy, arts, religions, etc, and at the same time form one's own philosophy, but if you do not raise your awareness or consciousness, then you are still asleep with nothing more than world knowledge, and education that is design to keep a person asleep. The Cult of Cthulhu steps up to the plate, steps up the "game" so to speak for we don't play the game, you can not progress with out becoming aware, practicing self work, self observation that leads to knowing and becoming awake. Was it not Ouspensky who said that man can not practice psychology, because he does not know himself, and he does not know himself, because he does not self observe, because he is a machine, and a machine has no will, he is still under the influence of events, of happenstance. To me this is the jest of it all, if one does not work on self and raise the level of their consciousness, then they are just asleep and you can not use this world matrix to do it, to raise that consciousness. I do not know if my ramblings make any since, but to me one can not overcome the world, while being a part of the world, but one can overcome the world by being a user of the world, which leads to being a true Cultist. It just always erked me how others criticized this cult, while they as Individuals were dawning material from this world inside the same Matrix, while be-welling, that they held the key to godhood. In conclusion, I am still at odds with this video being about leadership, maybe a Matrix leader, producing matrix followers. All in all, I hope there is a madness to my methods. Hail Cthulhu!!!
Awake!
Talek Esoteric Herald of the old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on Sept 29, 2011 7:43:12 GMT -6
I didn't mean to change the direction of the Thread " To be a Cultist " because that is an excellent Essay, I believe this excellent essay can help people understand, when they arrive here, just why are they here? No worries, there are always sub-discussions, eventually it gets back to the primary discussion I would say, this is based in your perception - your own imaginings are playing themselves out. You can't *know* if this person didn't participate out of fear, they may have just been content to watch, to see what the hell was going on. It is a useful introspect question, when contrasted against what YOU may or may not do in any given situation. This is a scenario. We do this as a matter of habit, we imagine ourselves in a situation and it plays like a movie in our head. What we imagine, and what we may DO; may be be entirely different things. Some do look to their peers, their fellowship, to determine if they are taking the right action. You could compare it to going someplace by yourself with confidence, or taking a wing-man to provide confidence. If, fear was in fact the motivating emotion - I tend to agree with you, but in some cases that fear as a motivator is useful to kick start the other I's to fall in line. A couple of years ago, one of my hippy friends wanted to do the Free Hug campaign. No one would join her, they felt uncomfortable with the idea of hugging strangers. She saw the youtube video, which had gone viral by this point, and it moved her in such a way that she was compelled to do this herself. After asking all of her hippy friends, and getting declined, she called me. She pitched it to me, and I had to laugh, because she said and I quote: "Seems the only way to get shit done around here, is to enlist Satan." So we dressed up like St Patty's Day fairies, headed to the oceanfront, and gave it a go. I sang, played my tambourine and hula hooped.
She shouted out 'Free Hugs!' holding a sign, and bam! The hugging began.
Here she is, happy as a pig in shit handing out free hugs.
Several people passed her by, they thought it was too weird to just hug some random stranger. The number of people that did hug her, was far greater than those that walked passed, giving her the stink eye. I would say, in some cases - it nurtures apathy in favor of empathy. Even a lack of emotion can make you a zombie. Are 'Free Hug Campaigns' going to change the world? Who knows, seems many feel that getting out there and directly connecting to people will cause a counter-movement to an apathetic current of the Machine City that we all live in. I agree, and by the state of 'Satanism' today, you see a lot of mindless drones, who do very little but complain and post in Internet forums, than you do pioneers leading people to victory. Not even the Cult of Cthulhu is immune. This is why it is imperative that we disrupt our own systems, throw a monkey wrench into programming, provoke, and on occasion...Dish out a mental beat down. This isn't summer camp, where we finger paint and play with our dolls - this is LIFE. You are amidst friends and fellows here And this is the very reason it is despised by many. Our weirdness, isn't for everyone. We attract the weirdos, because we are the weirdos. We attract the extraordinary man and in some cases, the ordinary man who strives to become extraordinary.
Welcome back. As I always say...You can take the Cultist out of the cult, but you can not take the cult out of the Cultist Indeed, taking Gurdjieff's teachings. Gurdjieff felt that this ability was, in part, intuitive but only accessible to those 'capable' of understanding it. Typically, this is a small percentage of the population.
Those capable of objective consciousness do not do so by happenstance, but intentional existence in the third-state, of self-consciousness.
It is truly amazing, the number of people you encounter that are not conscious of themselves at all. They are often their own worst enemies, and will never fully understand that this can change, with conscious work. In some regard, yes, you use the world, and it also uses you. As much as we strive to liberate ourselves, we can not be fully liberated from the system we are fully part of. All things are inter-connected, whether economy, politics, or social movements. When we talk about 'the world' what we are really talking about here, are systems of people. I think it would behoove cultists to understand *how* to move people in the direction you wish them to go. While many march in lines, waiving their flags of liberty, they may very well be defeating themselves from the get-go - if that flag includes anti-people movements from the start. Regarding the video, the first follower, shows people how to follow a lead properly, especially if those people share the common interests and goals. The first follower, is the leader of a following. Not blind following, mechanized but instead - how to give an idea momentum. The power of one is a start, the power of many is often unstoppable.
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Post by talek on Sept 29, 2011 10:15:35 GMT -6
Absolutely great critique. I see I have a lot of work to do, thank you. The hugs video, said it all, that was inspiring to say the least, and what you guys did with the "Hug movement" is absolutely great and inspiring, it is all in the doing, get off of my duff! Lot of good disseminating information, and food for my awaking thoughts for me, from the critique, again Thank you! Awake! Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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