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Post by altar on Sept 10, 2011 19:21:37 GMT -6
I don't know, You seem to be trying to start a religion. It seems
counter productive if one is trying to find their way. As a person of
extreme darkness I find any type of worship to be a primitive act of ego. Carving ones own path leads one to their own way. The path is relative to the person. Not a set of preset rules that keeps one in a box and takes any their individuality, Once this happens then they are no longer thinking for themselves.
The LHP is different for everyone. There is no clear path. There's
your path and then mine.
So called people of God have killed and slaughter more people than anyone, how can they be considered the Right Hand path? Because of god and Jesus? Those teachings were corrupted by men the minute he was crucified. He died and took it all with him (this is based on the fact as to weather the Christ story is even true or not). I don't understand how things have to be so static.
I bow to no person or no thing. I am god here, those who dwell
elsewhere know this. They cling to me at times and I enjoy their
company. They have been with me for many years, they give me peace of mind. I can be Darkness and not be evil, once again evil is relative.
I don't lie cheat or steal or do shitty things in life because those
are primitive traits that pose no real benefit to anyone or the
evolution of my species. It is because of these traits that man
continues to wallow in servitude to other men and to other religions.
Light or Dark.
Just some of my observations dude. I'm talking from life experiences, and I've acquired a lot of scars. You seem to be a very smart, driven person. I look forward to future discussions. I didn't want to post this on your forums because I didn't want to create a shitstorm of bullshit. from other people thinking I'm attacking you.
To anyone reading this, Please don't think that I am attacking your house here. I arrived here to hear other view points and the reasons others have chosen this path.
Guy Weddle
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Post by dudetyson on Sept 10, 2011 20:52:32 GMT -6
Well -- this is just me -- but I think we pretty much share your perspective here. Venger-style Cthulhuism has a lot of overlap with Satanism but has gone in its own direction, not turning away from anything that advances the self even if most Satanists would label it "light side" or "right-hand path," but also turning away from unproductive personal bickering.
It's not the most tight-knit group. You can do what you want, and try to plug into our collective vibe.
As far as the whole "going your own way thing," again, we pretty much agree with you. However, we can still benefit from communicating to each other on what has worked for ourselves, so that others can test it for themselves.
Maybe for some people, yes, focusing on propagating "going your own way" as a widespread belief has nothing to do with their own mission in life, and just takes away time and focus from that true inner calling. For some people, that IS the mission. Mine overlaps with but is not identical to that goal.
It's difficult to sort out Jesus -- what were the productive and unproductive teachings? Which ones were added in later, and which ones were his own? Did others add all the bad stuff? Was that all part of his own real, original teachings? Or a mix? We lack enough reliable historical sources to know for sure. So take from it what you can and throw out the rest; see my thread on the Gospels.
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Post by Kai'zen on Sept 11, 2011 8:24:48 GMT -6
I don't know, You seem to be trying to start a religion. It seems
counter productive if one is trying to find their way. As a person of
extreme darkness I find any type of worship to be a primitive act of ego. Carving ones own path leads one to their own way. The path is relative to the person. Not a set of preset rules that keeps one in a box and takes any their individuality, Once this happens then they are no longer thinking for themselves.
Worship is simply another attempt of the ego to externalise itself. What I fail to see is how this can be construed as a negative? Surely at some point during your day to day life you make some attempt to gratify you ego, one of the fundamental parts of creating and maintaining a healthy self-image? What makes any of these acts any more or less primitive than another? Assumedly it would be the metaphorical re-routing of the ego current via a created entity, in the form of worship. As an alternative you suggest the carving of one's own path. While I admire the stoicism with which you enounce your ideal, the fact of the matter is that is largely what we do regardless. The Cult of Cthulhu exists as a platform from which we are able to forward our own particular paradigm's with the assistance of others and partake of the unique satisfaction that is socialising with like-minded individuals. Not every part in a car is the same shape, nor is it expected to be, the fact that each componenet is different and acts in a different way allows the vehicle to function.
The LHP is different for everyone. There is no clear path. There's
your path and then mine.
But can we not learn from one another to forward our own paths?
So called people of God have killed and slaughter more people than anyone, how can they be considered the Right Hand path? Because of god and Jesus? Those teachings were corrupted by men the minute he was crucified. He died and took it all with him (this is based on the fact as to weather the Christ story is even true or not). I don't understand how things have to be so static.
Yes, the teachings of Jesus were perverted at a later date by religious bodies to excercise power over the masses. The "Right Hand Path" allocation has nothing to do with who killed who, or the corruption of teachings. The concept of unification with a higher conciousness is the integral reason for the classification of mainstream christianity as an RHP religion. And things aren't static, have you observed the massive reforms in Christian religion that have been taking place over time? The objective goal of the religion stays the same, that is why it is still classified as a "Right Hand Path" religion.
I bow to no person or no thing. I am god here, those who dwell
elsewhere know this. They cling to me at times and I enjoy their
company. They have been with me for many years, they give me peace of mind. I can be Darkness and not be evil, once again evil is relative.
An admirable, but somewhat immature attitude in my eyes. I will gladly bow before one who has earned my respect, provided he does not give me provision to do otherwise!
I don't lie cheat or steal or do shitty things in life because those
are primitive traits that pose no real benefit to anyone or the
evolution of my species. It is because of these traits that man
continues to wallow in servitude to other men and to other religions.
Light or Dark.
I disagree, lying, cheating and stealing, while they certainly are shitty things to do and i refrain from practicing them, can do a huge benefit to you, and to the evolution of the species! The ability to get what you want is a crucial aspect to success in life, and while they are by no means to best ways to go about doing things, they still bloody well work!
You raise some interesting points, sorry if I came of as a little to aggressive with my response.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 11, 2011 9:01:13 GMT -6
Yes, I'm trying to start a religion. Or, at least, I was back in the mid 2000's. Now, I'm trying to keep it going and actually expand it so that the Cult of Cthulhu spreads throughout the world.
Many ways, one destination. I'm beating a path. Some follow, most don't. Occasionally, a few individuals walk briskly alongside or even run up ahead of me so that I may follow them. In the end, we're all heading for the same place - the Emerald Kingdom where we shall become as Gods. What's counter-productive about that?
What's wrong with primitive acts of ego? That's the origin of religion.
I agree that carving out one's own path leads to a particular way, a subjective way, a magical way... usually well suited to one. I support the individual carving that is required to make the Cthulhu Cult Awaken. For instance, if we are to fashion an idol of our dread God, then many hands must shape him. Each of us must carve the unnecessary stone away.
Individuality is encouraged. Don't make the mistake of thinking that all religions are like the restrictive, conforming, anti-progressive organizations out there like contemporary christianity.
Yes, the LHP is different for everyone. But along the way, there are many similarities. Obviously, the LHP cannot mean just anything. It cannot be defined by the phrase young banana split, for example. There are guidelines, there is a system already in place. Coming to it should provide one with untold variations. That's yet another illustration of the third side: an individual with many, random 'I's not unlike a clown car + structured path requiring discipline = a heightened state of focused possibilities (consciousness).
If you are god here, or in fact, anywhere... then show us your might.
I also try to live by a personal code of ethics, but isn't it a bit hypocritical to say that you never lie, cheat, or steal? Why not also claim that you never make rationalizations or never fall asleep or always make the right choice? I'm not judging, just saying that those options available to us - sometimes our survival depends on them.
It's all good, Guy. More grist for the mill. I hope the discussion continues and others speak their mind as well.
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
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