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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 10, 2011 0:28:05 GMT -6
Where were you 10 years ago at 9/11? Where are you now? How much has changed for you since then? How much do you think the world has changed or not changed? For the better or for the worse? Due to the last ten years, are you more motivated or less motivated to accomplish whatever dreams you have?
Is the last ten years like all important events that has passed like a natural cycle(s)?.
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Post by Kai'zen on Sept 11, 2011 7:08:25 GMT -6
Raging because my saturday morning cartoons were canceled for two buildings I'd never heard of on the other side of the world.
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Post by lokidreaming on Sept 11, 2011 22:09:43 GMT -6
Raging because my saturday morning cartoons were canceled for two buildings I'd never heard of on the other side of the world. I am curios to know what your mum said to you or did to you once you raved with anger as I had a huge smirk on my face when reading your response due to I know that is how I would behave if my favorite cartoons get cancelled as a kid crankly as hell!!! LOL
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Post by Kai'zen on Sept 12, 2011 5:19:43 GMT -6
She thought I was being rude and selfish and all that kind of thing. I was furious though!!!!
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Post by Voraxith on Sept 12, 2011 7:56:53 GMT -6
I had just been arrested a couple of months previous, so I was in the day room of Q-Tank, Ada County Jail. I was flipping through the channels of the 7" day room TV, wondering why all the stations were showing the same damn tired and trite action movie--until I realized it was on every channel, including MTV. My first thought was, "why on earth is MTV showing a Kurt Russel movie?" Then I realized it wasn't a movie, and everything went to crap afterward. To commemorate the 10 year anniversary, I spent all day playing Lord of the Rings On-line and generally doing stuff I do anyway. It sucked that it happened, but... Well, we did kind of deserve something... Didn't we?
And let the flame war begin.
But seriously people, that's just my opinion. If you want to debate this, okay then, but don't be petty and puerile and call me names like unamerican--yes, I am no patriot; my loyalty lies with a Lovecraftian Theocracy, not whatever the hell you want to call the American Empire.
[glow=red,2,300] Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn![/glow]
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Post by dudetyson on Sept 13, 2011 21:17:23 GMT -6
If you want to "go there," here's my take.
Was 9/11 a response to imperialism? Absolutely, yes. (If you don't think it was an inside job...I tend not to, but I guess I'm open to the idea.)
Did the people in the towers deserve to get hit?
Well, who was in the towers? A mix of people. Some of them, probably just a few, were indeed the great orchestrators of international capitalism. To quote Cannibal Corpse, "they deserve to die." However, most of the people were probably low-to-mid level employees, if not janitors! Most Americans have *no* control over the mayhem wreaked in other countries by the government.
Many countries rebelling in the Middle East are now throwing out US-backed regimes. I find this to be a much more productive refusal of imperialism than killing civilians. I even go so far as to support the armed resistance of Iraqis and such; it's not that I want US soldiers to die, but I *do* want them withdrawn in the first place so nobody gets hurt.
So, I get what you're saying, but rather than saying "we deserved it," another take on it might be, "9/11 would have been a great moment to reconsider our foreign policy and pressure our government to cease meddling in other countries, and definitely not a moment to launch two long-term occupations."
I'm not patriotic either. The Essence defies geography. I also see third world revolt as an emanation of Cthulhu.
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Post by Voraxith on Sept 13, 2011 21:42:57 GMT -6
Wow, dude. Much more eloquently put than I could have, but I agree with you 100%. I never believed that the people who died that day deserved it, but that as a nation who's foreign policies are irresponsible at best, something was obviously going to happen. Of course, got to crack a few eggs, as the old saying goes.
I don't think the American response to the attacks was anything remotely close to a positive change in the right direction, but it's nice to think that at least someone's eyes were opened. But then again, this is the real world and the more likely response by the average American was more in line with that damned Toby Keith song that came out afterward, "Courtesy of the Red, White, & Blue". And the perpetrators were certainly no better. Sure, they had a legitimate gripe against the US, but is radical Islam an improvement? Well, considering they would kill any one of us in a heartbeat for being a part of the "Great Satan," obviously not.
What's funny about all this is that my little brother is enlisting in the Army and will be shipping out for basic in about five months. He's going into the airborne infantry, with the intention of training for the Rangers. What all this means is that due to the idiotic political climate, my brother who's ten years younger than me will more than likely die long before me, a "hero" to his country. There's the part of me that's proud of him, willing to sacrifice for a cause bigger than himself, and then there's the side of me that wishes he were just another video-gaming stoner who did nothing but hang out on the couch, that way I wouldn't run the risk of losing him.
I guess I'm just really tired of the typical patriotic brouhaha from idiots like Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck surrounding the whole thing. It sucked, yeah, now get over it. It's not like we're (Americans, that is) any better or any worse than they are. Just another fist-fight in the schoolyard of international politics. I guess I just have a really hard time caring about any of this beyond the obvious. But again, dude, nicely said.
[glow=red,2,300]Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn![/glow]
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2011 1:21:30 GMT -6
Of course it was an inside job, do some researches it is really obvious.
Now is the moment of Awakening.
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Post by ckilo11 on Sept 19, 2011 4:34:43 GMT -6
I was in school watching the whole thing unravel on CNN.
Have you seen this one yet?
Was the attack all that it seamed, or was there more to it than what meets the eye? Here are some nice little pieces of information: some of the rubble from the two towers in New York was being held in a hanger of the JFK airport under armed guard restricted to civilians including investigators. According to Jesse Ventura's investigation he said they found traces of thermite, and C4 on the rubble. Also I have herd it reported that the black box flight recorders were never found. One of the search and rescue workers saw federal agents remove them from the scene.
Awaken!!!
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Post by ckilo11 on Sept 19, 2011 5:00:07 GMT -6
regardless you have to admit that they bolth hit in the perfect place
High enough not to be reached by the fire department. Not that they could do anything even if they did reach the fire. Jet fuel is put out by foam not water. Water will just spread it.
and low enough at an angle to guarantee they will fall. sorry explosive demolition training... Awaken!!!
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Post by A'Zodul F'eid on Nov 2, 2011 23:46:59 GMT -6
I was in class. I'm still a student now, though an adult one. A great deal. The last ten years have formed me. The world has and hasn't chanced. It is different, yet still unreasonable and weak in all the old ways, and still dying at my fingertips. I wouldn't attempt to judge the death of a planet. It has too much good and bad to it, and either one is purely subjective, no? More, though the dreams change and somedays my dreams aren't things I can likely achieve regardless of motivation. My hope for them is a dying light though, as with age and attempts one sees how clearly one is falling short of expectations, unless one is senile in which case one is perhaps infinitely lucky to be a child oncemore.
I think my mouth will stay out of the discussion of if it was an inside job. The event did little directly to phase me, and it doesn't matter much to me, or I suspect to the Sheeple. Now, had Dread Cthulhu itself risen and brought some buildings down, that would have had a huge impact on me. Also I made a pun....Get it?
"That Is Not Dead!"
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