Dimensions

[Erebos]

Hello, sorry I haven't been around on here but I have been so busy. However, I have started reading an interesting book am wondering what connections can be made.

The book is Hyperspace by Michio Kaku. The book is theoretical physics and to clear things up a little, hyperspace just means higher dimensions above our own.

Now I am wondering, is Cthulhu in some other random parallel universe? Or are there more connections to us then that. The book just recently talked of a second sister universe to ours. Our universe contains the first 4 dimensions while this other universe contains the other 6 (According to the string theory there are a total of 10 different dimensions.) However, while are universe expands the other has shrunk infinitely small. Now that kind of limits speculation on what could be but I think it could make sense. This 6 dimensional universe could be where Cthulhu originated and it could also be his prison. There is sense to it since I remember reading his city is made of odd angles which could possibly be a way of saying indescribable different dimensions.

This book also deals a lot with wormholes and time warps as well, so going along with that a wormhole could easily and most likely form of travel to our planet, and perhaps this wormhole was somehow closed by the wardens of his prison. Wormholes take massive amounts of energy to actually open so once again I was think that, "when the stars are right" that may somehow create the needed energy to open the wormhole into our sister universe, his realm.

To add a little: 1st Dimension - Length
2nd Dimension - Width
3rd Dimension - Thickness
4th Dimension - Time
5th Dimension - According to the book is what we see as light and gravity. We cannot actually perceive anymore than that.

I am only past the second chapter so that is all I know at this time but I will be around to reply to whoever posts and to add more that I have learned.

[Kai'zen]

This is interesting, I look forward to seeing your updates as you get further through...

[dudetyson]

There are many proposed scientific explanations for a "world beyond this one," the "spirit realm," some mysterious force that connects human minds directly with each other and other things. How much proof there is for such things is another matter. Is there any decipherable and logical reason string theory claims there are ten dimensions, that you have come across?

Of course the scariest thing about the Lovecraft mythos is that no matter what, we cannot DISPROVE that these other realms exist, and we cannot disprove that some eldritch daemon thingy isn't going to pop out of our closets when we least expect it.

[Gish]

Interesting post, I believe that Cthulhu could be trapped in some alternate universe very much like the one you describe, shrunken down and full of unknown dimensions. I'm not to sure about the book you've been reading though, third dimension is height, xyz and all that, and gravity isn't a dimension it's one of the 4 fundamental forces along with electromagnetism and weak/strong nuclear force. I remember when a fouth dimension would be an euclidean space possibly partially visible consisting of xyz and a fourth vector element which I'm gonna call U for shits and giggles . . . and example purposes xyzu, and now it's time how things change aye although the xyzu is still used to describe 4 dimensional space.
Back to this parallel universe business of it having the remainder dimensions that could explain the odd angles that "seem to not be" since you can't view the 4th. Thanks for the interesting post Erebos.
Now to dudetyson . . . heh theres a lot of theorys about a "spirit realm" as you put it and theres no chance I've read them all, I'm hoping to find one which includes the quantum connectivity theory about when two things intereact they are connected quantumly forever, that would be an interesting read and give Ideas about communicating with people you've interacted with after they've shuffled off this mortal coil. The reason for 10 dimensions in string theory is because it's easier to understand and maths seems to favourite as well as 11 and 26 dimensions theorys, I'm not gonna go into math because I can't and that would be ridiculous. While you can't disprove that some eldritch daemon thingy isn't going to pop out of our closets when we least expect it according to quantum theory we can't disprove that we're going to pop into an eldritch daemon thingys closet at any moment which would be interesting at first lol.

[lokidreaming]

I have found tan when one starts reading and researching up on dimensions and stuff like that, it is best to start back at the basics eg, finding at least one really good book reagarding the universe/comology which covers a lot of basic pyhsics and covers all the laws of thermodynamics etc as then once you get well versed in the basics, books like that makes more sense

eg, AS ABOVE, SO BELOW.

[Erebos]

you bring up a good point, Gish, which I should have mentioned. Yes, there are the four fundamental forces like gravity, electromagnetism, strong and weak/strong nuclear forces. However, the thing is the equations of these different fields are very different and almost unconnected, this 10 dimension theory allows for them to be easily connected. There are many descriptions and connections the book makes but for the sake of time I can't repeat them all.

There was one interesting point they made in the book. If you imagined a piece of paper with 2 dimensional beings on it, and then you crumple and distort that dimension from the third dimension. The beings would not realize any difference since they would be crumpled too; however, if they tried to go straight on their paper the folds would cause they to move in different directions than what they want because their dimension has been distorted. This analogy was mostly used to compare gravity to us. Gravity or light isn't a dimension but just what that dimension has laid out in front of us. You can imagine a 3D box in our world, if that box was in a 2D world than it would just look like a laid out cross, those beings wouldn't be able to actually see the box but could observe it laid out and its affects on their world.

We cannot see the other dimensions but these dimensions can still affect are universe like we can affect two and one dimensional space. What they are saying is the fundamental forces are caused by the higher dimensions distorting ours which really does make sense.

Now I will admit this is really the first time I really went into research with string theory and dimensions like this, I usually only read books about history; however, I do watch every show I can about the universe and space. These shows have never really covered string theory and hyperspace theory for me so that is mostly what I am learning now and at the same time making a good discussion.

[dudetyson]

I strongly encourage everyone to do serious reading about other dimensions, and with scientific skepticism. If you find anything that seems legit, and not unsubstantiated pop science designed to make money off of sheep, post and let me know.

What sort of history do you read, Erebos? That was my major and a particular interest.

[Erebos]

I do go at everything I read with skepticism but the writer really does use great reason in his arguments that appeal to me a great deal and I do know he is a pretty popular scientist and seen him on a good many shows dealing with similar things. It is a possibility he is just trying to make money but even so the book still makes you think.


And I read just about any history that catches my eye though I do mostly lean towards autobiographies and biographies. If not a biography its usually something of a war and recently I had some more interest in U.S. history a little more than normal.

However, yeah I read a wide range of history. Harry S. Truman, Stalin, Castro, Napoleon, Hirohito, Hitler, Theodore Roosevelt, Benjamin Franklin. Then I recently read The Age of Battles which talked about a lot of the rise of military professionalism starting at Gustavus Adolphus up to Napoleon and just about every possible person in between. I do have a biography of Lucrezia Borgia that I will probably read soon and a few others that I can't remember at this time. However, this would be better in private message since it is kind of off topic mostly.

[Erebos]

Another good part of the book I just read described how we three dimensional beings would pretty much be omnipotent gods to two dimensional beings if they existed.

Looking at a 2D world we can see through walls, underground, into the beings bodies or anything you could think of. The author then applied this to some higher dimension then us like the 4th. He with previous scientist claim that this could very well explain ghost, the paranormal, and other mystical subjects. Since all of those seem to defy the laws of physics.

Now my thought, or connection, here could be continuing from the idea that Cthulhu comes from our sister universe that the wormhole or whatever mode of his transport connects him to our 4th dimension in this universe. I'm sure that would explain a good many things with his stories. With his power, and ambitions all of his actions are easily described. From the 4th dimension you could easily drive a 3D man insane or whatever one should please.

With this theory a 3D man could also be transformed into a god or 4th dimension being by one as powerful as Cthulhu. You can easily make a 2D object into a 3D one just by adding a few things to it which may be the same for a 4th to a 3rd. So far this makes everything this cult believes in scientifically possible, if not likely.