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Post by darkstar on Sept 9, 2006 13:02:29 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]Certain people seem to be predisposed to having inflexible beliefs and it seems to be linked with nervous problems that cause the brain to be extremely sensible to any outside stimulus. These kind of nervous super-sensibility seem to block the use of reason and unleash all hidden anger.
At first glance it may seem that the pathology of fanaticism is isolated and individual. Imagine a person with this kind of conditions directing a group of otherwise sane people, the consecuences won't be very rational at all. It could also happen that the shared individual dogmas get powered up by the power of community to the point of madness without the need of a crazy leader. Either way that seems to explain why madness is rare in individuals but common in groups of people.[/glow]
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Post by Yevathik on Sept 9, 2006 18:20:15 GMT -6
A person is smart.
People are dumb, crazy, dangerous animals and you know it.
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Post by ibiss on Sept 9, 2006 23:20:39 GMT -6
Ask yourself this "Why would a fanatic need act fanatical?I have come up with this observations of most fanatics.
Some are very charismatic but I believe fanatics to either mask some insecurity far too large to be covered with anything BUT extreme action and or thought or 2 to posess some other motives that will be accomplished only by the extremes of fanaticism.To some degree extremes build a belief .Kudos but does remaining a fanatic imply that one still doesnt believe in something as much as they would like others to think?The fanatic will lead a crusade but the fanatic is always the person we find out had an ulterior motive.Thus fanaticism is a farce to cover up the intentions from the sheep who follow.There are some fools who program themselve to inflexibility through fanaticism but most are geniuses attempting to rally others to fatten those wallets.
How do u lead the masses of the dead.Fuel them with fire and tell them what they want to hear.Let them burn for it and yearn for it so much.Awaken the daemons longing within to dance with an unseen fury.One only needs to act.As long as fools are sleeping with broken dreams and industrial automaton complexes fanatics will rule.Exploit this brethren.
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Post by Yevathik on Sept 9, 2006 23:55:29 GMT -6
In my experience, fanatics are the ones who follow closest, with undying and almost blind loyalty.
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Post by darkstar on Sept 10, 2006 8:23:57 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]I think that following a leader or ones own dogmas with blind obedience is vain and unworthy, because one is sacrificing the self, sacrificing reason, sacrificing humanity for a probably stupid purpose and that's what christianity teaches. I think that serving with dignity is much more valuable.
Never sacrifice the self or others, rather respect yourself and others, and they will respect you without forcing it.
That's what Confucius said and i'm begining to understand why.
The religions and philosophies of the west have praised rebellion against authority and at the same time blind obedience to authority, it's completely contradictory and stupid.[/glow]
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 11, 2006 14:44:59 GMT -6
i think being fanatical about a person, can go easily awry. people are fallible, even the greatest.
however, those who are fanatical about a cause will have a greater chance of getting things done.
if one is to succeed in any area, then a certain amount of obsession is required.
personally, i believe that fanaticism is the only way out of our prison. i'd rather have 3 fanatics in the Cult of Cthulhu than 30 people who simply "admire" it.
see myspace blog for my essay, "The Power of Fanaticism" blog.myspace.com/vengersatanis
Venger Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by ibiss on Sept 12, 2006 12:52:56 GMT -6
i think being fanatical about a person, can go easily awry. people are fallible, even the greatest.
however, those who are fanatical about a cause will have a greater chance of getting things done.
if one is to succeed in any area, then a certain amount of obsession is required.
personally, i believe that fanaticism is the only way out of our prison. i'd rather have 3 fanatics in the Cult of Cthulhu than 30 people who simply "admire" it.
see myspace blog for my essay, "The Power of Fanaticism" blog.myspace.com/vengersatanis
Venger Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest Personally I will disagree that fanaticism leads out of a prison.In a chaotic manner of speaking it may if everything you do you can create a temporary fanatical mindset to drive you to your goals. However if not done mindfully it becomes an entirely different prison limiting the individuals ability to embrace choice.This single minded focus has another terminology, a pathological trance which is a bitch to break .Its self programming around a set cause which from a chaotic perspective will have obvious limitations, stagnation being one. |
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Post by darkstar on Sept 12, 2006 13:01:09 GMT -6
[glow=red,2,300]I have to agree with Darrick that a certain degree of obsession/fanaticism is necessary to attain any level of excellence. If this was not present there won't be any desire to attain anything because it would be the same and of course that's not realistic.
It would be a kind of buddhistic bliss, I don't want to do anything therefore I won't do anything, not even buddhists follow that.
However it's wise to make it a moderate influence otherwise it's destructive madness can cause severe damage to you or others.
There are people that have caused diseases to themselves because of their out of control obsession with their work. I readed once of a korean who killed himself playing videogames nonstop.[/glow]
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 12, 2006 15:26:22 GMT -6
indeed, i think extreme belief, excessive enthusiasm, fanaticism, and so on... can be a double edged sword.
it can lead to dangerous places, but at the same time it can have a liberating effect. if a magician wants to "get things done", i think he needs to be more or less fanatical.
and as Darkstar mentioned, a casual outlook or mellow acceptance of things is not conducive to ordering the universe to your Will.
extreme belief can create a prison of its own. you've touched on an important point. unfortunately, who can say how far one goes is too far... or far enough? it all comes down to the magician himself, in the end.
do you think that a strong belief/faith can create reality rather than merely structuring it? this is a further leap in Chaos/Quantum theory. personally, i think that belief has more potential power than shaping one's perspective; the magician's Will can turn that perspective of subjective reality effectively into objective reality. consciousness made flesh...
thoughts?
Venger Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priestwww.CultofCthulhu.net
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Post by ibiss on Sept 12, 2006 23:18:45 GMT -6
I will take it a step furthe and say faith and belief are reality.
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Post by bellaxxluna65 on Sept 13, 2006 11:29:59 GMT -6
one of my sisters is "diagnosed" with "bi-polar" i have seen and heard her say many times during "episodes"...."i know the truth...everyone is against me, i am alone" i could not disagree with her, she has mentioned her being god....i again could not disagree......point being....this fanatical aspect some have is not mental illness, but a necessary awareness.....maybe i have same fanatical beliefs as my sister, but choose to supress them only because society will lock me away in an institution......... or my own family will lock me away, as they did to her....i was by her side constantly....and always will be
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Post by ibiss on Sept 22, 2006 18:19:27 GMT -6
I am a fanatic.I detach myself to examine both aspects of the one.My fanaticism always led to extremes in the past.A trait to change
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Post by darkstar on Sept 22, 2006 19:51:36 GMT -6
Fanaticism is indeed an extreme, so it must be regulated through it's opposite. So what is right in your case is developing self-control. However if you where completely indifferent to things, like the flematic temperament, then you should develop your interest in things, maybe even to the point of fanaticism.
The noble man avoids extremes and walks the middle way. So he is blessed in all his undertakings for he takes nothing for granted. Extremes degenerate the mind and increases the ignorance of the individual. Wisdom lies in the complex balance of different influences.
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Post by JJ Burke on Oct 3, 2006 18:31:10 GMT -6
i think being fanatical about a person, can go easily awry. people are fallible, even the greatest.
however, those who are fanatical about a cause will have a greater chance of getting things done. this is a catch-22, isn't it? how can you be fanatical about a cause without being fanatical about yourself and your ability to determine its importance? how can you fanatically promote or defend a cause without first declaring yourself a righteous vessel? it all comes back to a person |
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