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Post by acolyte on Dec 15, 2007 20:18:09 GMT -6
I am well aware of the additude of others (Christians, Jews, Muslims, so on) twoards the use of illegal drugs and substances of that nature but I've never found an answer through Satan or my idol Cthulhu. I know Anton LeVays additude of doing whatever pleases you (somewhat inaccurate and short but I think is close enough). But what about from the words of Satan and Cthulhu themselves, and what of other cultists?
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Post by acolyte on Dec 15, 2007 20:21:21 GMT -6
Oh and as a PS. VS if you have something to say on this subject please I would be more then happy to hear your opinion. It would be a great favor to me
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Dec 15, 2007 21:16:04 GMT -6
And, you should strive to achieve the altered states that certain drugs give you when you're sober, since in the end drugs can be seen as crutches you use to reach spheres you normally would be unable to. A strong, healthy person does not need crutches. And when you can do your magic sober, you can again try to reach even higher levels with chemicals to see how the effects have changed. What you experience when you're high depends completely on the contents of your mind, drugs are only catalysts that trigger stuff inside your brain.
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Post by I AM the Way on Dec 16, 2007 16:00:31 GMT -6
yes, that sounds more or less accurate. any addictive drug that is destructive to the mind or body should be avoided... drugs such as heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, crack, etc. no one should be doing these because they lead to a bad end. really, there are just too many negative things to even start listing them!
on the other hand, non addictive drugs... especially hallucinogenics such as marijuana, LSD, DMT, mushrooms, and hash are useful in moderation. they can help the shaman, druid, or magician see past the veil of this reality.
and when the Cult rules the world, the former drugs will be utterly erradicated while the latter will be legalized and regulated.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Madguten on Dec 16, 2007 17:58:26 GMT -6
IA! IA!!!
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Post by acolyte on Dec 16, 2007 19:36:14 GMT -6
[/b][/color][/quote] Ia Cthulhu!!!! Ia!!!
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Post by sin on Jan 31, 2008 11:22:17 GMT -6
yes, that sounds more or less accurate. any addictive drug that is destructive to the mind or body should be avoided... drugs such as heroin, cocaine, crystal meth, crack, etc. no one should be doing these because they lead to a bad end. really, there are just too many negative things to even start listing them!
on the other hand, non addictive drugs... especially hallucinogenics such as marijuana, LSD, DMT, mushrooms, and hash are useful in moderation. they can help the shaman, druid, or magician see past the veil of this reality.
and when the Cult rules the world, the former drugs will be utterly erradicated while the latter will be legalized and regulated.
Venger As'Nas Satanis Cult of Cthulhu High Priest Personally, I feel that drugs like maryjane , shrooms and lsd can damage the mind. There are natural herb alternatives that will bring a person to a state of euphoria without impairing the mind. I would recommend Mugwart, as an alternative to pot. Has a similar look, smell and even taste. It's not illegal and it won't impair the mind. Native Americans would use it for journeying into the mind. I've read that if you smoke enough of it, you will hallucinate but I've never experienced this myself. Just some input on that ;-)
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 31, 2008 12:00:36 GMT -6
sometimes the mind needs to be damaged. though, i maintain that moderation and caution should be used in chemo-gnosis experimentation.
VS
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Post by youma on Feb 1, 2008 12:15:27 GMT -6
I think "damaged" meant altered in a way that isn't reversible in the short term. One wants one's faculties back after the trip.
I have two plants of Jameson weed (yep Jamie, it has your name!) it's a legal hard drug, but its normal effects include heart failure, not safe to use.
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Post by sin on Feb 1, 2008 12:32:18 GMT -6
I think "damaged" meant altered in a way that isn't reversible in the short term. One wants one's faculties back after the trip. I have two plants of Jameson weed (yep Jamie, it has your name!) it's a legal hard drug, but its normal effects include heart failure, not safe to use. Some of this 'damage' is long-term; especially with such drugs as pot and lsd. I recently read a study about the new scientific discoveries of the long-term damage done by THC, as well as its increased risk for lung-cancer in comparison to smoking cigarettes. LSD well, even more dangerous. You risk having a trip you never return from and long term psychosis. Don't get me started on addiction (for those who have the disposition for addiction). Just sounds like high risk changes to take; in the spirit of 'experimentation' - there are other ways to get there.
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Post by youma on Feb 1, 2008 14:54:20 GMT -6
I saw that study on TV, 10% of people approximately are susceptible to become schyzophrenic after a regular use of marijuana. That vulnerability is genetic, if one's parents are pot-heads and safe, one can reasonnably assume that pot is safe. That study was difficult to conduct since the rats normally used to test drugs are all vulnerable to THC, none of them benefit whatever mechanism protects 90% of humans.
Chemical drugs like LSD have the extra disadvantage of easily dissolving into fat tissue, so years after quitting, everytime you lose a little weight you may get unexpected hallucinations (that would be bad if it happens while you're driving)
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Feb 1, 2008 21:41:18 GMT -6
Youma, some of what passes for information regarding illicit substances that you watch on tv....might be coming from a skewered and biased sourse.
First of all, i'd be very skeptical about a study involving skitzophrenia and rats--ten percent of rats who smoke weed develop skitzophrenia? is that what you are saying?......um, how exactly did the lab coats figure out which rats were delusional and which ones were not? The whole thing sounds rediculous.
Now about LSD: it does not absorb into fatty tissue. your body actually breaks it down nearly immediately.
LSD flashbacks were part of sensational media coverage during the early 1970's and have largely been discredited. However, if flashbacks do occur, the cause is more likely psychological.
THC however is stored in the fatty tissues, that must be the source of your confusion.
The information about pot use and cancer is also suspect, in my opinion. I have never seen any conclusive studies.
The studies that I have seen that marijauna might actually reduce the risk of cancer, were likewise inconclusive.
Anyway, I just don't like false information, it does us know good. However, my official stanmce on drugs is that i am going to side up with Mr T on this one "I pity the fool that doesn't stay in school!"
Proper education is essential, when deciding what to put in your body. Your friends are all likely filled with silly urban myths about drugs, and the television is even worse.
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Post by youma on Feb 2, 2008 10:45:38 GMT -6
Because the rats become paranoid: while the healthy rats play with their wheel and whatever entertainment they have, the schyzo ones keep grooming themselves for hours. They'll also starve themselves right in front of food if there's no hidden place they can take it to. Animals can be mentally ill and they don't need to speak to show it. If they're abnormally aggressive or scared, if they eat their shit, bite their own legs, etc. while there's no physical reason for their species to act like that.
The 10% estimation is for humans. That can't be clinically tested; it would require sacrificing human subjects and that's illegal (such things probably happen, but then they don't talk about it publicly). It's stastistical, they probably asked psychiatry patients about their drug use history and compared the rates to those of normal people. Of course if you're in a mental hospital you're likely to be questionned until you admit, or lie to tell the shrink what he wants to hear, while randomly asking people on the phone "Hey did you use drugs as a teen?" would have a lot of them denying everything. They did say that the experiment on rats may be valid in trying to determine why that has a chance to occur, but it's not valid in knowing why some people are vulnerable while most aren't, because none of the rats were immune, unlike humans.
I only trust the Discovery show when they lay out the whole procedure; I don't suspect them of lying, but lacking professionnalism and taking shortcuts, yes they do that.
For the cancer thing, any smoke contains substances that may damage cells, you could also get cancer from burning wood. You get more soot and other solids from pot because you don't normally use a filter, but I don't think marijuana is really as bad as cigarettes: no one smokes twenty joints in a day, many smoke twenty cigarettes in a day.
You're probably right about the LSD, that one I never checked out. I was thinking about another one but I forgot the name so I wrote the "chemical drugs" thing instead. It wasn't THC though, but there must be more than one doing that.
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Feb 2, 2008 11:44:52 GMT -6
Very well, and please excuse my ignorance on the subject of animal pathology. These ten percent and ninety percent numbers, however, they still seem rather suspect.
For example, I cannot possibly understand what is going on with "90% of human beings have this immunity, an immunity to marijauna-induced schizophrenia? But rats do not. Look, this immunity itself....is hypothetical. And the fact that some humans are thus equiped, but rats are not, it is also....lets say speculative. Actually, lets just say bullshit.
Pot can clearly induce temporary bouts of suspicious and paranoiac thoughts. Schizophrenia, however, is a specific desease. The causes are said to be genetic pre-disposition, triggered by traumatic events in life/unstable childhood environment.
A quick google search just now seems to back me up on this.
These studies which proportedly show a causal link to marijuana smoke and schizophrenia have largely and widely been debunked and defrauded...these studies also seem to have been backed up by, now can you guess who? Ahem, pharmacuetical companies. the Devil himself. Shux, I am all a'twitter.
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Post by Madguten on Feb 2, 2008 17:04:26 GMT -6
I think that one of the reasons that marijuana is thought connected to mental illness, especially schizophrenia, is because marijuana can be the straw that brakes the camels back for some people, meaning it can be a coincidental trigger because it puts further stress on the body/mind/brain/being (i am talking about an All Day Every Day basis) at the wrong time. So if one is feeling like one is losing ones mind, it wont necessarily get better by smoking up every day, might even worsen your condition, but the old BANG! MARIJUANA MADE ME CRAZY (made me LAZY more likely ;D) stories ARE blown up. Its just weed. Tobacco is the real killer. All that tar. EDIT: Oh yeah, i forget. Consuming Massive amounts of Marijuana for a long period of time damages the memory and mental sharpness, its kinda like getting old. I dont know how much of it is permanent, but i DO know that weed doesnt even come close to alcohol in damage scale. Alcohol is much, much worse, physical addiction, kills braincells, damages body and it can make one very, very insane.
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Post by Madguten on Feb 6, 2008 8:48:22 GMT -6
You must take control! Being addicted sucks. Being addicted to a substance is like carrying around a holed sack full of sand. The sand runs out and one must fill the bag again and again. After a while all one lives for is filling the goddamn sack. It is a waste of energy. Even if one can keep the sack full, then carrying it around all the time will still damage ones body, mind and soul. Plus the sack holds you down with its heavy weight. Thats pretty much how i see it. (i realize that it is a rather weak metafor, but i have always felt that addiction is more like a sack that must continuesly be re-filled, than it is like having a monkey on ones back) EDIT: I am glad that you "are back", by the way ;D
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Feb 7, 2008 2:56:22 GMT -6
All I need to do is to cut all contact with useless people, which is sometimes not as easy as it sounds. But it must be done nonetheless.
What is a mere moment's chemically induced pleasure compared to the otherworldly treasures and secrets to be discovered and studied... and being trapped in the former makes the latter impossible.
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Post by indigo on Feb 9, 2008 12:35:10 GMT -6
Speaking entirely hypothetically. Not talking about myself I say while smiling sarcastically.
PCP, acid, heroin, coke, and absinthe have all played a role in my early time within certain covenants. Drugs can expand your understanding and unlock your mind. I know plenty of mentally disturbed individuals who are amazing in the occult field. They see things we can not. This is an incredible advantage and at times a hindrance. However I do not approve of addiction on the grounds that it weakens you and reflects a lack of willpower.
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Post by jasmine on Feb 9, 2008 16:27:08 GMT -6
I shut the phone off before meditating. It really helps.
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Post by baphomet on Apr 2, 2008 12:36:57 GMT -6
I remember I had a thread on "mixing drugs and magic" a while back in another section. Basically my conclusions:
1) You can still do magic and get results, but the manifestation I had was a bit "skewed". 2) Shamans and alchemists have a lot of uses for certain substances, so it's worth looking into. 3) Know your threshold and limits. Don't develope an addiction.
As for getting over addictions...
I smoked cigarettes for over three years, and for a long period of time, that included chain smoking. My method of quitting is this: make sure all your cigs (or whatever you're trying to quit) are gone. Don't set a specific "this date I will quit" but do have something very "mind blowing" ready for when you run out of cigs. By "mind blowing" I don't mean another drug, I mean something that will trigger a HUGE emotional response in you, and this can be hard to find at first. For some people it's hiking to a vast mountain, for you it might be a certain movie or whatever. But it HAS to be somethign that will keep you up thinking almost all night, and keep you thinking about it until the next day... thinking about life and mysteries of the cosmos. That sorta thing. Then just don't buy anymore cigs.
I can't claim this method will work for everyone, but it sure worked for me. I think the reasons are twofold: 1) You don't set a "I will quit on this date" or your mind starts immediately developing a sort of "I will miss this SOOOOO much sort of thing" and you eventually convince yourself it's not worth it to throw it out forever. 2) Your mind is flooded with enough emotions and awe to simply be too preoccupied to care about putting smoke in your lunges. If you do it right, and your awe is great enough, the addiction suddenly seems so trivial you don't care. (In my case I was so flooded with the mysteries of life and what it means to not be dead)
So just some advice for anyone trying to quit cigs. As for using this method to quit other substances... I can't say. I've heard cigs are harder to quit than heroin, but I've never done heroin so I can't garuntee anything.
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Post by Madguten on Apr 2, 2008 16:01:25 GMT -6
I think it sounds like a decent method. I am not much for the whole patch and gum stuff, because when battleling cigarette addiction we are almost wholly battleling a mental addiction. So there is no need to replace the addiction. We can drop it altogether and be free of it for good. Of course, i am myself a cigarette smoker. I have smoked for 10 years, since i was thirteen. But i dont see it as a burden, more like a privilege. Im one of those "happy smokers"
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