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Post by jameson on Jul 11, 2007 2:20:36 GMT -6
I was bored and started browsing the net for boredom.This is a site i bumped into and it made me think www.somareview.com/boredom.cfmWhat value can we place on boredom?Does it have its usefulness in awakening?Could isolation from excitatory stimuli cause one to better appreciate existence as well as things that excite us?Can refraining be a way to enhance pursuing pleasure?And what methods have we concocted to relieve boredom and the inevitable depression that follows it. (note -i placed this in the fourth way section as i felt it may have relevance and is consciousness related.My apologies if this is the wrong area)
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Post by jameson on Jul 19, 2007 17:30:18 GMT -6
I've learned that boredom or lack of having anything to occupy the self is a good time to prepare,to think and observe the self.These pauses in activity are necessary in order to stop before re-initiating the many distractions we bombard the mind with.Its only after one has had time to lust after a particular pleasure that it becomes pleasurable.
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Post by Madguten on Jul 20, 2007 4:02:23 GMT -6
I agree.
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 13, 2008 2:06:47 GMT -6
regarding the use of boredom to enhance/build life perception.. yes indeed boredom can be very good, let's you 'meditate' on what you want.. lets you ignore doing useless stuff... and yes, it's definately good for soulsearching.. I disagree .... doing something entirely new can be very pleasurable - new meaning one hasnt had opportunity to lust for it... too much lusting for anything builds up unrealistic expectations and leads to disappointment... -hereby not saying that lusting for something and then getting it isn't able to spawn pleasure, for it most certainly can... try to comprehend the entire equation, not just the parts that fit you, or fit your way of living.. [Off Topic] delete this bit if it's too harsh or 'aggressive' ... (moderator request) At any rate, jameson I noticed you saying in another post that since you for once was sober you were gonna do something.. stop living like a junkie ftw (for the win) perhaps?.. more energy to do things = less boredom ... (no Im not attacking you saying you suck for living like you do.. just pointing out a possible fact, sorry for offending (mean no offense but no way anyone won't take offense to that ! ))
sure it's boredom you feel? not some sort of unsatisfaction with your existance regardless of what you do (possibly induced by the extreme intakes of alchohol/drugs?)?
one cannot change what one cannot define.. regardless of the accuracy of the definition.. geh that'd mean calling it boredom, altho inaccurate, allows for change thereof unless one isolates the definition within it's usual borders....
life can be motivated thru what is publically known as the 7 sins, but alternately it can also be motivated by their counterparts (publically known as virtues).. give it some thought.. all of it... all of you.. fuck.. ok now my head hurts... that was all lamely complicated...
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Post by Madguten on May 14, 2008 2:55:39 GMT -6
Does a dry and hot summer not make you wish for cooling down?
And does Winter not make you wish for sun and warmth?
;D ;D ;D
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 15, 2008 1:31:39 GMT -6
Does a dry and hot summer not make you wish for cooling down? And does Winter not make you wish for sun and warmth? ;D ;D ;D which has what to do with anything? it neither proves your point or mine... its one scenario, that one scenario doesnt dominate all others... /golfclap (hardly impressed)
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Post by Madguten on May 15, 2008 10:23:55 GMT -6
Of course it does ;D
When the sun is plenty, it is almost a bother
when the sun is scarce, we lust for it, we miss it.
When summer hits, we are all like; YAAAY!! sunshine! When summer has been going on for a while we are all like: screw this goddamn heat! Im sick of this!
physically and mentally alike.
I still hold that one can best appreciate if one has been without.
Its not that one cannot appreciate regardless of this, but if one has been without, and then finally gets..
A certain higher appreciation/satisfaction/pleasure will be the result in most cases, if you ask me.
It is true that things that one has never done before can be pleasurable too, but one of the reasons new things are great is because one hasnt had them before. It is EXACTLY what we are saying here. ;D
It is the lack of, that leads to the satisfaction when one finally gets. Enough indulgence will make you vomit just from thinking at what was once an object of your lust.
But take that thing away for a period of time and.....
BANG!
most likely, you will want it again, and when you get it.
Its gonna be good (again) ;D
It isnt carved in rock, i just think that it is a pretty standard mammal behavior pattern.
Having said that, i dont believe one should hold out, just to get more pleasure. One should try to do what one finds productive and satisfying.
If we dont, we are acting very un-mammal ;D
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 15, 2008 10:28:10 GMT -6
3 edits .... fucking... 4 edits.. muaHAH! u changed ur statement! it started as with being impossible to enjoy without the lusting, now it's best appreciated with lusting ;p and the heat thing we don't like iz cuz it gets TOO hot edit: (if that wasn't wat you were saying, but the 'better enjoyed' was wat u were saying, then I'm shutting up and letting you take the deserved win ;D) re edit: Quote: jameson: "Its only after one has had time to lust after a particular pleasure that it becomes pleasurable." MG: "I agree." emphasis on ONLY I win (semantics but still xP .. hey it's the biggest pleasure I have atm lol - arguing.. except for the magnetic engine thing that I just found which totally rox.. tech can be used for propulsion too I think (as in flying machines/ufos lol) edited: no it's not wat u were saying... edit again: ok I'm not giving any elbow room am I lol.. you are right, no doubt, that after a load of summer it's nice to get some winter, and vice versa
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Post by I AM the Way on May 15, 2008 11:37:35 GMT -6
Jameson, for all his good qualities, was kind of a nutcase. he's been having mental problems for awhile and keeps leaving the forum to work on things alone. he also likes to go to extremes.
i think Madguten was agreeing just to emphasize Jameson's point; most of us have come to accept Jameson's over-generalizations and all-or-nothing mood swings.
it seems obvious that a statement like "Its only after one has had time to lust after a particular pleasure that it becomes pleasurable" is ridiculous when one takes a few moments to closely examine it.
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Post by Madguten on May 15, 2008 14:12:24 GMT -6
Yes,
also i guess that i could/should have been more specific than just saying; I agree.
I do that sometimes and cut corners, to save energy ;D
What i should have said, is that i agree with the observation/realization that being without something can heighten the joy of finally getting it.
And yes, i did respond according to who posted it. I try to balance and feel my way through the (?) to understand what the individual behind the post means/is coming from. This can be an impossible task of course, but J was one of the top posters here once and so i felt that i understood what he really was saying, behind the (?).
J did (does) write very absolute, often all or nothing.
Which i think is good. I think that one can work out a great deal of inner stuff through writing.
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Post by luxcthonis on May 16, 2008 9:24:55 GMT -6
Jameson, for all his good qualities, was kind of a nutcase. he's been having mental problems for awhile and keeps leaving the forum to work on things alone. he also likes to go to extremes.
i think Madguten was agreeing just to emphasize Jameson's point; most of us have come to accept Jameson's over-generalizations and all-or-nothing mood swings.
it seems obvious that a statement like "Its only after one has had time to lust after a particular pleasure that it becomes pleasurable" is ridiculous when one takes a few moments to closely examine it.
VS Well said VS. Jameson does, however, have one of the most unique minds I have ever had the pleasure of coming into contact with.
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 20, 2008 3:55:43 GMT -6
Jameson, for all his good qualities, was kind of a nutcase. he's been having mental problems for awhile and keeps leaving the forum to work on things alone. he also likes to go to extremes.
i think Madguten was agreeing just to emphasize Jameson's point; most of us have come to accept Jameson's over-generalizations and all-or-nothing mood swings.
it seems obvious that a statement like "Its only after one has had time to lust after a particular pleasure that it becomes pleasurable" is ridiculous when one takes a few moments to closely examine it.
VS hmm... I had no idea jameson and I had THAT much in common..... *smiley of your choice*
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Post by hiqconsoul on May 20, 2008 3:57:40 GMT -6
Yes, also i guess that i could/should have been more specific than just saying; I agree. I do that sometimes and cut corners, to save energy ;D What i should have said, is that i agree with the observation/realization that being without something can heighten the joy of finally getting it. And yes, i did respond according to who posted it. I try to balance and feel my way through the (?) to understand what the individual behind the post means/is coming from. This can be an impossible task of course, but J was one of the top posters here once and so i felt that i understood what he really was saying, behind the (?). J did (does) write very absolute, often all or nothing. Which i think is good. I think that one can work out a great deal of inner stuff through writing. (?) = post ... yea? or message perhaps.. or statements... or?
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Post by Madguten on May 20, 2008 4:58:49 GMT -6
Sorry for being so unexplanatory . What i meant by (?) was the fog. The fog that clouds everything. We will need more than plain eyesight to venture successfully through the fog. But simply using the word "post" will be sufficient in this case. I try to look beyond the post and try to see what the poster perhaps did not even realize himself while posting. I try to think; From what i know about this person; What does he mean by what he is saying. What thoughts and situations has lead to this? What does he see when he looks at his own words? What does he hear? What does he feel?This is a difficult task. I may be way off at all times. Who knows. I try nonetheless.
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