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Post by dudetyson on Aug 8, 2011 18:06:44 GMT -6
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Post by boksmutant on Aug 8, 2011 22:49:09 GMT -6
Would issuing a statement about the incident be that much trouble for the police? Or are the people jumping the gun?
Awake!
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Post by dudetyson on Aug 9, 2011 18:31:21 GMT -6
Lol, in my experience police tend to NEVER apologize for these kinds of things. That would undermine their authority.
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Post by omera on Aug 12, 2011 16:50:16 GMT -6
Launching a spell to aid the riot.
Edit: Done.
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 12, 2011 22:49:08 GMT -6
I am habing fun at the backoackers asking the Brits
"Is it appropriate or inappropriate to start singing London Brodge is falling down, falling down?"
LOL
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Post by sin on Aug 14, 2011 14:54:47 GMT -6
In what way is this pathetic? It's really no different than a person praying to aid in alleviation of their own emotional investment.
Seems to me that you haven't a clue, about the context of spellwork.
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Post by sin on Aug 15, 2011 14:05:42 GMT -6
*Giggles*
It seems you know my expressions, thanks for the Charlie Tickle as well as using the proper spelling of my name.
Perhaps, at first glance this seems like hypocritical jargon, but until you can understand the individual psyche you can't dismiss the individual. Seems illogical to do so. (After the fact, another matter entirely).
Not to say, that most people aren't out of their fucking gourd, but in this forum, in this context, you can not know the cultist's expressions, until you know the cultist.
Perhaps Omera may elaborate on his reasoning for conducting the spell to 'aid the riot' as he put it.
Seems illogical to dismiss Omera as sad, then laugh and point when you haven't asked him why he conducted the spell, or what he believes it will do.
Perhaps I'm channeling SPOCK here when I say, the need of the one, may out-weigh the need of the many.
May I also add, for your information - Omera is new to the CoC and a minor.
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Post by omera on Aug 15, 2011 16:57:57 GMT -6
It was a general "AWAKEN" intent spell with Yog-Sothoth's invoked aid to direct it.
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Post by Kai'zen on Aug 15, 2011 19:29:32 GMT -6
Why did you decide to aid the riots? I'm assuming you will be happy to answer, so if you take offense, then forgive my prying.
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Post by omera on Aug 16, 2011 5:15:58 GMT -6
A seizing of opportunity.
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Post by dudetyson on Aug 16, 2011 14:21:55 GMT -6
Speaking for myself, historically the only way communities which face impoverishment and discrimination get any kind of recompensation is by rioting. I'm not kidding either -- in both Britain and the USA, riots have usually resulted in long-standing disadvantages finally being addressed.
If you actually revere the incomprehensible, beastly eruption of force from submerged, unconscious regions that is called Cthulhu, and you are not just a New Ager who likes tentacles, then the London riots should be cause to jump for joy, not moralistically scolding people for doing nothing more than answering the demons within and making war on their lack of a future.
A riot is like a protest against your entire life.
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Post by omera on Aug 16, 2011 14:45:16 GMT -6
You inspired me to add more to the riots.
Within the will of awakening, of course.
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Post by sin on Aug 16, 2011 19:18:26 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Aug 17, 2011 9:23:01 GMT -6
Riots, are a form of protesting. It's still very unclear to me what is being protested here. The evidence of vandalism and looting, indicates that people will use any excuse to tear down their own homes. I mean, that's what we are talking about here. Destruction of their own neighborhoods, businesses, and favoring violence. Someone stated earlier this week, the entire thing was an excuse to break shit. That's really all I'm seeing. Timeline: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14436499Rabble with a cause? www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=rabble-with-a-cause"Individuals cannot act with group goals in mind until they see themselves as members of that group. In situations such as the recent London riots, this group identity seems to form spontaneously, but studies of the riots in England 30 years ago suggest a more complex buildup. " At the very least, it gives us a sociological premise to explore. Analysis of the 'group' identity, is worthy enough to examine. One man says: The police mistreat 'us'. Each person may look back to their own personal experiences with the police, or social media. Then people begin to form a group of: 'we' have been mistreated by the police vs. 'I' have been mistreated. It also boils down to individual psychology. The 'police' could represent ANY person or group which mistreated the individual, in that person's view point. Even if that person was in the wrong. Consider the people that HATE the police in general. They are usually the habitual law-breakers, and those that get caught and have to hassle with the consequences for their actions. Not to say, that individual police person's aren't douches at times, it could be for any number of reasons. Long hours, over worked and under payed, or the police person's personal psychology. I've encountered dickheads for no reason other than be a dick, and I've encountered helpful police persons. Hell, I wouldn't even be here to write this today, had it not been the police that saved me from an assailant trying to kill me. Mid-action. Even in the midst of policemen in my home, there were some young rookie cops with a hard-on for the action. The older policemen were better at their trade. That's how I viewed it anyway. They were more patient with me, when under questioning, they were considerate of my mental and physical condition (just having been nearly choked to death), and reassuring. The younger men were buzzing with excitement, I understood that - I wasn't mad about it, its wholly human. |
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Post by sin on Aug 17, 2011 10:39:10 GMT -6
And you must know, that these type of issues that provoked the attacks of brutality are far more likely to be adressed if they were to be merely protested against - nobely and respectfully but also rigidly and powerfully. Agreed. It has defeated itself, and THIS is the problem with group mentality. The goal is often lost. |
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Post by dudetyson on Aug 17, 2011 15:12:25 GMT -6
worldblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/08/07/7292281-the-sad-truth-behind-london-riot"here's a sad truth, expressed by a Londoner when asked by a television reporter: Is rioting the correct way to express your discontent? "Yes," said the young man. "You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you?" The TV reporter from Britain's ITV had no response. So the young man pressed his advantage. "Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2,000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you."" Read below in the same article to see the causes: joblessness, poverty, racism, police harassment. And you're just historically wrong on the record of riots and policy changes or services for the groups involved. They are extremely effective, as I have already given the examples of previous British riots getting services, American Blacks getting welfare, and LGBT people getting more acknowledgment and acceptance after Stonewall. Plus the jobless marches of the Great Depression creating pressure for the New Deal's federal jobs programs. Want me to keep going? I hardly give a shit about 170 million pounds or this entire sick society we live in. You know why people are burning down their own neighborhoods? Because they're not really theirs. They have nothing, no future. I lack respect too! Why should I respect a system that has made me graduate into a jobs desert, that has made my generation the first since the 1930s to have a *lower* projected standard of living than that of its parents? As far as police harassment, you can be treated entirely differently depending on what you look like and what neighborhood you live in. Blacks parents are constantly worried that their kids are just gonna snap after getting patted down the third time in a week. While rioters may not be as nuanced as this, there is a difference between opposing the role of police in society and just hating anyone in a blue uniform. I suppose I hate the uniform more than the person, speaking for myself. You're in an interesting place to be preaching about right and wrong, rainbowveins: "The time would be easy to know, for then mankind would have become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and revelling in joy. Then the liberated Old Ones would teach them new ways to shout and kill and revel and enjoy themselves, and all the earth would flame with a holocaust of ecstasy and freedom."
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Post by sin on Aug 18, 2011 7:03:33 GMT -6
I've seen mixed reports. Some involved say that the protest is being effective and WILL produce the results they seek. While others say they got out of hand with violence and looting. I suppose, we will see how it all pans out - take a look at the state of things a year from now and see if we can pin-point its effectiveness.
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