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Post by boksmutant on Jul 26, 2011 2:46:57 GMT -6
I wanted to start this thread a long time ago & it must be done:)
I always feared that if Venger disappeared for what ever reason(death, ascension etc,etc), what would come of the COC site? Are there fail safes that would protect it's legacy? If not can we create some?
Leadership is already in place, though I'm sure a few Wizards would have to step up to priests whether they wanted it or not lol. So we got that handled, but what of this site that has all our info on it? For most Cultists, this is the only medium with which we could find one another, so that ain't good. The preservation of the site its self is to important.
Master Satanis, how can we be guaranteed the sites endurance? Can one of us assume control? Will copyright laws interfere with our securing your books, art, essays etc,etc? I'm assuming your family would have some control left to them, which would perhaps end up becoming some sorta "Foundation" that they would handle. But do we need things in writing?
Cultists who are planning on sticking around for that long haul should give me at least one Email address that I could have in the event of... whatever, know what I mean? lol. Why wait for that "Oh shit!" moment. I figure someone should have back ups, I'll do it.
cave_trash_bear@yahoo.com
Awake!
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Post by sin on Jul 26, 2011 8:42:32 GMT -6
At one time the CoC had a board of Directors. I stepped down in the past. Is this still in place VS? Not a bad idea to re-address this, in lieu of the "What If" scenarios.
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Post by dudetyson on Jul 26, 2011 18:27:56 GMT -6
Ha, I thought this thread was about Venger not posting too much these days. I have felt a sort of absence (because he's writing his novel), and it has forced me to think about what this whole thing means beyond his person. A "shock," if you will.
It made me wonder, am I enough of a Cthulhuist that I would continue identifying as such in his absence? I could just revert to being a satanist, maybe. But I feel there's definitely a distinct difference here, a greater regard for self-observation which many satanists just do not share but which is at the core of the Cult.
There's also this big picture perspective, of viewing the world in interstellar and even interdimensional terms, which is also pretty distinct. There's plenty of cosmicists and many darklings but a combo of the two is somewhat rare.
dudetyson@gmail.com
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Post by sin on Jul 27, 2011 11:40:26 GMT -6
Interesting, I've always found it peculiar, when cultists feel lost in the absence of the leadership.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jul 27, 2011 22:01:36 GMT -6
@cora'Sahn @dude Tyson
You two have raised vaild points.
Is this due to the cultist identifying too much with its leader and therefore miss the points totally?
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by I AM the Way on Jul 28, 2011 0:07:51 GMT -6
The board of directors and whatnot was for the non-profit, which I'm dropping. It no longer makes sense for us.
How would each person deal with something as large (or small) as my passing away into the great beyond? An interesting thought. The world has Cthulhu Cult, Liber A:O, and enough essays, articles, and blog posts on the internet to comprise a Book III. What else does it need?
If my absence can be used as a shock, then awesome. Three birds with one stone. Can't beat that. I'll pop in from time to time, but need to pursue some non-CoC stuff for awhile. Although, admittedly, anything truly worthwhile could be traced back to the CoC.
Our quantum religion and emerald paradigm is not just an online enterprise. It's within us, offline and out there in "reality"... whatever that is.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Jul 28, 2011 4:50:41 GMT -6
I guess in any event we Cultists would just rebuild the site if not some how preserve all this to be transferred over to an others control. I am not as familiar with the computer world just yet so a lot of this eludes me. Hail the Cult!
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Post by dudetyson on Jul 28, 2011 20:37:30 GMT -6
Venger, you're not the only one orienting to the offline for the time being. Boks and I are about to build an EMPIRE.
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Post by lokidreaming on Jul 28, 2011 23:26:01 GMT -6
Ditto,
Got the 4th way books to finish, then Anthony robins and dianetics and then the 9 carlos castaneda books to re-read and essays to finish off
LD
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 1, 2011 13:58:47 GMT -6
I'm about three fourths into the first draft of my novel. Thanks for everyone's patience with my periodic absence. I appreciate the continual support.
"Work on your own selves." He said with either green blood or slime streaming down his repulsive visage. "There is no you, so work from nothing to get to nothing. That is the way."
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Erebos on Aug 1, 2011 15:22:33 GMT -6
To consult something like this I suppose it would be best for some read-after-death type writing which would tell whoever has the right to read it the information for the site, future plans, and anything else that should be added. There are several ways this could be organized but I believe its a good suggestion to work on to keep the site alive. Of course the cult would still live on but with the loss of this site I'm sure some damage would be done to the cult.
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Post by sin on Aug 2, 2011 7:39:07 GMT -6
loki, Yes. I would think they have their work cut out for them, with little time for displaced fanaticism. Venger is swell.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Aug 2, 2011 15:16:30 GMT -6
If Venger were to discontinue this effort, voluntarily or otherwise, then the task of maintaining it would fall back to the members of the CoC itself. Even with a plan in place, when an institution is built on the persona of its founder and that founder is absent, there are three typical results.
A) The designated heirs of the organization take over and reshape it in their own image. This is proclaimed as evolution by the organization's supporters, but is more often than not decried by the "old-guard" members who end up leaving in droves or simply discontinue their support. A la, the Church of Satan.
B) The organization is given an agenda (or has a mentality) that prevents any of the material generated by its founder from being changed or any expansion of that material. The official cannon becomes dogma, and members simply re-hash the established process ad nauseum. A la, The Rand Institute and The Gurdjieff Foundation.
C) A number of splinter groups emerge, each claiming the vacant title of their former leader. If planned for, these cells may act independently or co-ordinate through a central office. More often, they quibble and fight over the throne. A la, too many organizations to mention.
A fourth possibility actually overshadows the other three. With the end of the leader comes the end of the organization.
This eventuality is inevitable. One day, the Cult of Cthulhu will have to face existence sans Venger Satanis. If no plan from the administration for this eventuality is forthcoming, then is it not up to each member to determine for themselves their own contingency plan?
I guess the real question in my mind is not what will be the standing orders if Venger is gone. Rather, what are you doing as a Cultist to ensure that you will be able to carry on his Work, and should not these efforts already be strengthening the Cult of Cthulhu?
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Post by boksmutant on Aug 2, 2011 19:28:45 GMT -6
The old guard...lol, That's true. Since Venger's laid out what would seem a good enough background for the COC, what could others add to it that could split us apart? I'm not sure so I'm asking.
The real issue would be when the new leader is called, Then you got problems. People and their alliances/friendships do sorta get in the way when it comes to the benefit of the whole(masses). I can't say I really dislike any one person here that I would object to them taking a position of authority. I mean we tear each other apart so well when we throw out a new idea, & I mean that in a good way.
One dumb ass leader & half the gang bails? Fine, I would just lean on what's already been laid out to help pull it back together. But as for possible favoritism or elitism, that an old guard would feel intruded upon? I don't see that here & I don't see much ass kissing being of use. The COC is more interested in people living the role & expanding it's reach before putting inept people into positions. And if said person wasn't doing at least the later, we would give em shit. Why would you wanna be in charge if your not gonna be active? Know what I mean. So I think there's a lot of leeway there that won't be a problem.
For now I can only live the life, but have yet to figure out in what way to further the COC's reach. I'm honored to be a moderator for to the site for now, but look forward to bringing something more to the table so to speak:) As it should be, like you said Jason.
awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Aug 4, 2011 9:28:19 GMT -6
Yeah, I can't fault Jason's analysis.
Keep in mind that the CoC and myself are still at the beginning stages. This whole enchilada verde is just shy of seven years old... seven fucking years. Lots has been done, lots to do. We must accept that change is an ever-present factor.
Will the future take care of itself as long as the majority of us are working on ourselves? How can we best kick ass, take names, and expand horizons? What will be your legacy within the Cthulhu Cult?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by lokidreaming on Aug 5, 2011 1:15:44 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Aug 5, 2011 7:53:24 GMT -6
what are you doing as a Cultist to ensure that you will be able to carry on his Work, and should not these efforts already be strengthening the Cult of Cthulhu? It's OUR WORK. Thank you Jason.
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Aug 5, 2011 10:09:25 GMT -6
what are you doing as a Cultist to ensure that you will be able to carry on his Work, and should not these efforts already be strengthening the Cult of Cthulhu? It's OUR WORK. Thank you Jason. I agree with you one hundred percent on this Cora. We have our strengths within the Cult to carry on even when our leader is absent. He isn't here to babysit us. And it isn't as though he has abandoned us. Maybe he is testing us to see if we are really as strong as we say we are. Sooner or later the swimming student must swim alone or drown. Awake!
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