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Post by Hupadgh N'ghft on May 7, 2011 7:01:51 GMT -6
To start things off, you made a very good point about differentiating between the LHP and the RHP, and our common goals etc.
But instead of throwing those who live like drones or "sheep" away, why not bring them in to us so they can get to open their eyes?
Some may want to stand on your shoulders to reach through our hierarchy, but most wont.
If you help those who need it the most, and not they who WANT it the most, we would get results, they may be slower but they would also be better.
Like you said to me "patience is virtue", and so it is when talking about "Modern Satanism" if they do it in a false way, then we teach them about the RHP or the LHP, whichever path they wish to take it is always good to help others to reach their goals, wether they are Online, or Offline, goals are goals.
I have almost reached one new goal I set up for myself, inner peace.
To me, inner peace would be getting over everything bad I have ever been forced to deal with, and when I have done that I would see myself getting closer to my spiritual side.
When it comes to questioning reality itself, don't we do that all the time in our subcaunsios?
I believe we do, atleast us who are here today, we opened our eyes and got our heads out of our asses, to quote the Insane Clown Posse, "I'm trapped in my mind and my brain is my cell" that line right there describes how we all are born, we are trapped in our minds, because no one has taught us how to unlock the door from our human body.
Then they followed that line with this "But I have a key, it's called insanity, with it I can unlock eternity", and that is what we're doing, this should be our one common goal, to bring the Emerald Kingdom into this world, and change this reality, to insanity.
When we have done so, we will unlock eternity, and by doing so setting the stars right and the coming of Cthulhu and all other beings that sleep in R'lyeh would come into our universe.
That is my theory, my belief and my point.
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Post by I AM the Way on May 7, 2011 9:46:50 GMT -6
To start things off, you made a very good point about differentiating between the LHP and the RHP, and our common goals etc. But instead of throwing those who live like drones or "sheep" away, why not bring them in to us so they can get to open their eyes? Some may want to stand on your shoulders to reach through our hierarchy, but most wont. If you help those who need it the most, and not they who WANT it the most, we would get results, they may be slower but they would also be better. Like you said to me "patience is virtue", and so it is when talking about "Modern Satanism" if they do it in a false way, then we teach them about the RHP or the LHP, whichever path they wish to take it is always good to help others to reach their goals, wether they are Online, or Offline, goals are goals. I have almost reached one new goal I set up for myself, inner peace. To me, inner peace would be getting over everything bad I have ever been forced to deal with, and when I have done that I would see myself getting closer to my spiritual side. When it comes to questioning reality itself, don't we do that all the time in our subcaunsios? I believe we do, atleast us who are here today, we opened our eyes and got our heads out of our asses, to quote the Insane Clown Posse, "I'm trapped in my mind and my brain is my cell" that line right there describes how we all are born, we are trapped in our minds, because no one has taught us how to unlock the door from our human body. Then they followed that line with this "But I have a key, it's called insanity, with it I can unlock eternity", and that is what we're doing, this should be our one common goal, to bring the Emerald Kingdom into this world, and change this reality, to insanity. When we have done so, we will unlock eternity, and by doing so setting the stars right and the coming of Cthulhu and all other beings that sleep in R'lyeh would come into our universe. That is my theory, my belief and my point.
From my point of view, we have tried over and over again (and not just us) to open modern satanism up to ideas which they consider forbidden. My intent is not to throw drones, sheep, or sleepers away... but to force those fully entrenched in their own anti-Awakening dogma to see themselves as they truly are - opposed to the Left Hand Path and our quantum religion, the Cult of Cthulhu.
I'm glad that you saw fit to proffer an opinion which challenges my own. Exalted! Now, I leave a challenge for you, brother. If you can somehow convince a hardline atheistic materialist modern satanist to accept us and our emerald paradigm, then I will allocate more time and energy to "converting" or changing the minds of such internet satanists.
However, at this point, I'm more inclined to reach out towards Christians or those spiritual but non-religious individuals who might be accessible to the Cthulhu Cult.
What say you?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by sin on May 7, 2011 9:48:43 GMT -6
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Post by Hupadgh N'ghft on May 7, 2011 10:28:47 GMT -6
To start things off, you made a very good point about differentiating between the LHP and the RHP, and our common goals etc. But instead of throwing those who live like drones or "sheep" away, why not bring them in to us so they can get to open their eyes? Some may want to stand on your shoulders to reach through our hierarchy, but most wont. If you help those who need it the most, and not they who WANT it the most, we would get results, they may be slower but they would also be better. Like you said to me "patience is virtue", and so it is when talking about "Modern Satanism" if they do it in a false way, then we teach them about the RHP or the LHP, whichever path they wish to take it is always good to help others to reach their goals, wether they are Online, or Offline, goals are goals. I have almost reached one new goal I set up for myself, inner peace. To me, inner peace would be getting over everything bad I have ever been forced to deal with, and when I have done that I would see myself getting closer to my spiritual side. When it comes to questioning reality itself, don't we do that all the time in our subcaunsios? I believe we do, atleast us who are here today, we opened our eyes and got our heads out of our asses, to quote the Insane Clown Posse, "I'm trapped in my mind and my brain is my cell" that line right there describes how we all are born, we are trapped in our minds, because no one has taught us how to unlock the door from our human body. Then they followed that line with this "But I have a key, it's called insanity, with it I can unlock eternity", and that is what we're doing, this should be our one common goal, to bring the Emerald Kingdom into this world, and change this reality, to insanity. When we have done so, we will unlock eternity, and by doing so setting the stars right and the coming of Cthulhu and all other beings that sleep in R'lyeh would come into our universe. That is my theory, my belief and my point.
From my point of view, we have tried over and over again (and not just us) to open modern satanism up to ideas which they consider forbidden. My intent is not to throw drones, sheep, or sleepers away... but to force those fully entrenched in their own anti-Awakening dogma to see themselves as they truly are - opposed to the Left Hand Path and our quantum religion, the Cult of Cthulhu.
I'm glad that you saw fit to proffer an opinion which challenges my own. Exalted! Now, I leave a challenge for you, brother. If you can somehow convince a hardline atheistic materialist modern satanist to accept us and our emerald paradigm, then I will allocate more time and energy to "converting" or changing the minds of such internet satanists.
However, at this point, I'm more inclined to reach out towards Christians or those spiritual but non-religious individuals who might be accessible to the Cthulhu Cult.
What say you?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by dudetyson on May 8, 2011 22:24:06 GMT -6
If there were any neutral spaces not dominated by some faction in the Satanist Internet, maybe it would be worth it to cast our nets there. But it all either already belongs to some formal church, some ideological grouping very set in their ways, or counter-productive bickering.
Sorry to blow your challenge, Venger, but do recall where and in what state you found me. I bumped into you when The Ooze was SIN's radio show. I was a philosophical pure materialist, and basically accepting that Satanism was nothing more than an identity group for passionate secular individualists. Half a year later, here I am, a philosophical dualist (or more than dualist) who believes in the possibility of magick enough to seriously try to make it work.
That being said, I do understand that as a socialist LHPer (lol!) I was never exactly typical of the SIN crowd, and probably more open-minded and geared to constructive exchange. Hm, now where do you find more people like me?... (hint: at protests)
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Post by dudetyson on May 8, 2011 23:36:47 GMT -6
Proof. See there, that's at the Wisconsin protest. A Cthulhu sign. Next to a socialistworker.org sign. No, I had nothing to do with this.  |
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Post by I AM the Way on May 9, 2011 9:58:45 GMT -6
Cora'Sahn, you don't fit my definition of an atheistic materialist. Yeah, I've got a load of work ahead of me regarding the CoC Terminology and FAQ. I know. 
R'luh Orr'e N'ghft, I'm glad you've decided to accept my challenge. I wish you luck.
Dude Tyson, keep in mind that I did not actively convert you. I showed the way and let you be. You figured things out, more or less, on your own and then sought me out after you had a change of mind. Full disclosure, I did keep tabs on you and sent the odd email here and there once I realized that you weren't the typical modern satanist.
I would never tell someone to "fuck off" just because they came from a particular background or associated with a certain group. But, on the other hand, I'm not going to waste valuable CoC resources preaching to those who will almost never convert. Our content is open, we have videos, I'm being interviewed all the time, now the social network, etc. If someone wants to find out about what we're doing, it's not like they have to jump through a dozen hoops. We're outgoing and friendly... just like the Temple of Set isn't.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by dudetyson on May 9, 2011 13:07:02 GMT -6
Was rereading Cthulhu Cult, stumbled upon the Three Types of People (productive, unproductive, anti-productive).
I think the problem with the Satanist scene is that while they certainly might not belong to the unproductive majority, unfortunately too many of them are in the anti-productive category. A weird population, lots of anti-productives with a fair mixing of productives and of course some nonproductives. Weird demographic. But yeah, not necessarily suitable.
So it applies in awakening, as it does in politics: not all unconventional people are worth engaging, and in fact some of them are especially not so.
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Post by sin on May 9, 2011 15:53:10 GMT -6
Cora'Sahn, you don't fit my definition of an atheistic materialist. Yeah, I've got a load of work ahead of me regarding the CoC Terminology and FAQ. I know. I know, I was really posting it for the readership benefit. I take no issue with your views on this VS. In fact, I understand it all too well. |
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Post by I AM the Way on May 16, 2011 14:15:35 GMT -6
R'luh Orr'e N'ghft, how's the challenge coming along? Any noticeable progress yet?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Hupadgh N'ghft on May 16, 2011 23:55:19 GMT -6
R'luh Orr'e N'ghft, how's the challenge coming along? Any noticeable progress yet?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Ipsissimus
Cult of Cthulhu
I think I might be onto something with my hardcore atheistic friend, I've been sneaking into his head more and more, It's quite interesting. |
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