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Post by nephrenka on Apr 7, 2011 15:16:22 GMT -6
Greeting brothers! I recently decided to look into where the writer Grant Morrison obtained his ''Voodoo'' references for the comic the Invisibles (or if he just made it up), since some of it was pretty interesting. The ''were-tarantula'' stuff, and the spirit-nectar I thought was particularly cool.
Anyway, as far as I can find, he got pretty much all of it from ''The Voudon Gnostic Workbook'' by a fellow by the name Michael Bertiaux, who works with the O.T.O.A. and some other people, and currently bases himself out of Chicago, I believe.
Before posing my questions I do want to say to those of you familiar with Voodoo that is not exactly what this guy works with aside from a few deity/loa names. He has his own system he's made up and has incredibly expensive classes/initiation set up for it. That was a bit disappointing to me, as I was hoping for some traditional Voodoo beliefs I had not come across yet.
So I purchase this book, and there are some fairly interesting/appealing ideas and energies in there and I was curious if any of you cultists had done any experimenting or work with the system. Especially using Yuggoth as a magical sphere/plane or any insectoid shape-shifting work.
Any insight or findings would be greatly appreciated! Or if by chance any of you know where to find images of the diagrams from this book that would be awesome. The pressing that I obtained was originally advertised as containing them but in fact did not.
--By the unmeasurable weight of Tsathoggua rise and awaken!! IA! Nyarlathotep!! IA!! Azothoth!!--
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 8, 2011 10:28:23 GMT -6
I've certainly heard of Michael Bertiaux, but don't know much about him or his practices. Perhaps I should look into it. Sounds intriguing.
Is anyone else on the forum familiar with his paradigm?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by loke on Apr 8, 2011 10:54:39 GMT -6
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Post by nephrenka on Apr 8, 2011 13:23:37 GMT -6
Well that is the book that I have a physical copy of. The issue is that it is supposed to have diagrams contained in it, and the book even tells you to refer to diagrams in the book that simply are not there. I believe it is just one of those --please pay 400$ for our initiation classes and you can have access to that sort of thing--.
It is a bit of a shame, but the book is essentially workable without them, plus I usually don't just use something from another system without sculpting it to fit my ritual work anyway.
And to Ipsissimus- It is definitely worth looking around at some his practices, he is a bit of an interesting fellow, the book I listed is kind of the primer of his system, but one of his main claims is that he communicates with energies/beings (i believe he says beings) from ''yuggoth'' the magickal planet, and he uses a bunch of psychic machinery he has built to communicate with them apparently,
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Apr 19, 2011 11:37:46 GMT -6
Greeting brothers! I recently decided to look into where the writer Grant Morrison obtained his ''Voodoo'' references for the comic the Invisibles (or if he just made it up), since some of it was pretty interesting. The ''were-tarantula'' stuff, and the spirit-nectar I thought was particularly cool. Anyway, as far as I can find, he got pretty much all of it from ''The Voudon Gnostic Workbook'' by a fellow by the name Michael Bertiaux, who works with the O.T.O.A. and some other people, and currently bases himself out of Chicago, I believe. Before posing my questions I do want to say to those of you familiar with Voodoo that is not exactly what this guy works with aside from a few deity/loa names. He has his own system he's made up and has incredibly expensive classes/initiation set up for it. That was a bit disappointing to me, as I was hoping for some traditional Voodoo beliefs I had not come across yet. So I purchase this book, and there are some fairly interesting/appealing ideas and energies in there and I was curious if any of you cultists had done any experimenting or work with the system. Especially using Yuggoth as a magical sphere/plane or any insectoid shape-shifting work. Any insight or findings would be greatly appreciated! Or if by chance any of you know where to find images of the diagrams from this book that would be awesome. The pressing that I obtained was originally advertised as containing them but in fact did not. --By the unmeasurable weight of Tsathoggua rise and awaken!! IA! Nyarlathotep!! IA!! Azothoth!!-- As someone from Louisiana who had taken enough interest in Voodoo because ya know when people think of New Orleans they think of Voodoo,i'd like to state this: Voudon is a traditional organised religion of coastal West Africa from Nigeria to Ghana. Vodun is practised by the Ewe, Kabye, Mina and Fon peoples of southeastern Ghana, southern and central Togo, southern and central Benin and (under a different name) the Yoruba of southwestern Nigeria. It is distinct from the various traditional animistic religions in the interiors of these same countries and is the main origin for religions of similar name found among the African Diaspora in the New World such as Haitian Vodou, the Vudu of Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic, Candomblé Jejé in Brazil (which uses the term Vodum), Louisiana Voodoo and Santería in Cuba. All these are syncretized with Christianity and the traditional religions of the Kongo people of Congo and Angola. Where as Voodoo(which you used in you're post) also known as Louisiana Voodoo, and New Orleans Voodoo , describes a set of underground religious practices which originated from the traditions of the African diaspora. It is a cultural form of the Afro-American religions which developed within the French, Spanish, and Creole speaking African American population of the U.S. state of Louisiana. It is one of many incarnations of African-based religions rooted in West African Dahomeyan Vodun. They became syncretized with the Catholicism and Francophone culture of south Louisiana as a result of the slave trade. Louisiana Voodoo is often confused with—but is not completely separable from—Haitian Vodou and southern Hoodoo. It differs from Vodou in its emphasis upon Gris-gris, voodoo queens, use of Hoodoo occult paraphernalia, and Li Grand Zombi (snake deity). It was through Louisiana Voodoo that such terms as gris-gris (a Wolof term) and voodoo dolls were introduced into the American lexicon.
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Post by Guestalurkin on Mar 24, 2013 1:04:17 GMT -6
Ok, so I realize this thread has gone necro, but I will inject this nonetheless:
I have sporadically made use of the materials in the Voudon Gnostic Workbook. I also read through a fair bit of the Monastery of Seven Rays papers, all three years, and a few more documents... As well as the newer book Cosmic Meditation. The new book is probably the most readily useable.
The VGW initially appears to be a work on occultism, albeit a syncretic one. Truthfully, it has more to do with surrealist literature than Voodoo... anyways....
Now I must say, I cannot agree with Mr. Bertiaux's thesis, Absolute Monism. Nor can I agree with his ontological method of explaining things. However, he does offer some useful methods, and lessons.
I admire his willingness to use any idea as fodder for his collage. But, I would not deign to say he is a source to be trusted. Furthermore, there are some bits in there I'd say are wholly overstatements, or otherwise grossly misleading.
I can share a gnostic method he introduces in all of these texts, which I have found useful, regardless of the paradigm.
You will find this method a-garbled all over the internet.
Voilà! Les Mystères des Fabricants d'Enseignes:
This mystery is one you are all familiar with, on account of the Kort'thalis. So, I suggest exploring it via the Kort'thalis. Vulgarly, these powerful mysteries are called "sigils" and, vulgarly, they are squiggles one wanks over. But this is only the vulgar facade.
The real mysteries are not of our own derivation, but rather they arise spontaneously out of the great void, Kunzhun. You will at times receive les enseingnes, and they will appear in your Yog, mind-field, most often, (as opposed to one's Oth sense-field or Soth feeling-field, though these too may occur.)
These are, most oftentimes trans-plane communiques from the entity whose enseingne appears. When we see them, it is usually pertinent to jot them down, if we have not before, as to build our collection of enseingnes. We also jot them down as a means of Othing the enseingne into the physical plane.
So, what of all this?
Les Enseingne are great mysteries, whose form is a pattern representative of its inner temple, its own mystery. We can never know the whole mystery, as we can only apprehend a slice of it at a time.
Meditation, contemplation and veneration of les Enseingne are but three modes through which the mysteries occupy our mindfields.
The smearing of secretions thereupon is both the holiest and most vulgar of acts.
Regarding Mr. Spare's theory of belief made organic, through sigils... This is a mystery both intertwined and set apart. That is, the of deriving the symbol-to-represent-desire through the various methods does not result in a Vever, or Enseigne per se. Though, it is not meant that the two are opposed. Rather, they are juxtaposed, the vevers bubbling up from that which has the appearance of outer, and the Spareïan sigils, which have the appearance of manifestations of desires-made-conscious.
Now... I would address NO-BELIEF and NO-REALITY. But the idea that belief condenses reality is widespread... Moreso widespread is the idea of dichotomous objective/subjective realities. These are appearances, and are not so. There can be no objective reality, when objects are processes in stasis. Apple trees apple, you might say.
The brain condenses sensory information into "realities" inner and outer. But these are only appearances. The colour red is only red to eyes as mine. Pickles are delicious, but do we all agree? What is the colour red in relation to an apple tree appling? Do trees know red? Does Cthulhu exist? Does Cthulhu not exist? Is Cthulhu neither extant, nor not extant?
No inner, no outer; void.
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Post by Kai'zen on Mar 24, 2013 5:34:40 GMT -6
[teal]Well, my interest is up and in action, I don't think I was around for the original thread. I'm going to look into this paradigm.[/teal]
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