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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 4, 2011 14:41:40 GMT -6
lefthandpath.weebly.com/15/post/2011/04/interview-venger-satanis.htmlWeeks of nothing and then 2 Venger As'Nas Satanis interviews posted on the same day! Craziness. Thanks for reading this one as well.
You'll probably notice a different kind of flow with this interview as it was conducted over instant message rather than email. I appreciate Frater Invictus going to all the trouble.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Apr 5, 2011 22:25:59 GMT -6
This interview is bad ass! It asks such awesome questions all together. . "But one of these days I should just respond with, "What? It's made up? Oh crap! There goes my universe..." This is my favorite.
Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 20, 2011 22:07:05 GMT -6
Orbis Ignis did me the great honor of creating this teaser video for my interview. Love it!
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by darkprism on Apr 21, 2011 19:06:54 GMT -6
I thought this was a great interview. Excellent questions with clear answers in regard to the CoC paradigm. The inclusion of the 'C' in the Universes A, B and C model, is an important addition to the model you are conceptualizing and expressing, and corresponds well with the Fourth Way concepts of Influences A, B and C. Basically, it just makes a lot more sense now. Things develop over time and the CoC should be no different. It's good to see that the ideas aren't set in stone but are allowed space for future growth and may be added to as inspiration sees fit.
The song on the interview teaser video is Cradle of Filth if I'm not wrong. The first track off Damnation and a Day? They do some great haunting orchestral stuff. Fits very well with the subject matter of the interview.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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Post by boksmutant on Apr 21, 2011 22:21:15 GMT -6
The 'Oman' comes to mind with the sound track. If you were to watch that alone in a movie theater it might change your life, it might have an extremely different effect lol. Pretty awesome.
Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Apr 21, 2011 23:14:25 GMT -6
Yeah, it does bring to mind The Omen movie. That would be awesome to sit alone in a theater to watch that. Watching the Exorcist would be a great mind fuck to watch alone in a theater also. Awake!
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 22, 2011 14:26:46 GMT -6
I thought this was a great interview. Excellent questions with clear answers in regard to the CoC paradigm. The inclusion of the 'C' in the Universes A, B and C model, is an important addition to the model you are conceptualizing and expressing, and corresponds well with the Fourth Way concepts of Influences A, B and C. Basically, it just makes a lot more sense now. Things develop over time and the CoC should be no different. It's good to see that the ideas aren't set in stone but are allowed space for future growth and may be added to as inspiration sees fit. The song on the interview teaser video is Cradle of Filth if I'm not wrong. The first track off Damnation and a Day? They do some great haunting orchestral stuff. Fits very well with the subject matter of the interview. Awake! Dark Prism Thank you, brother.
Some things are set in stone... foundational elements, but many paradigmal entry points are malleable. Ideas, just like individuals, need room to breathe.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by boksmutant on Apr 22, 2011 14:47:40 GMT -6
I wish i had the editing equipment here at my house so I could put together some creepy stuff. A montage of Satanis committing & acting out different things mixed with the images we already have would be radical.
Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Apr 23, 2011 16:55:03 GMT -6
Brother Satanis, Your welcome. Yes, I agree with the paradigm foundations being set in stone...... the way you explained the malleability of the entry points was spot on. Boksmutanis, If you have access to Windows Movie Maker or another kind of program similar(many are freeware programs), you'd be well on your way to making something cool like that. I would love to see you create some kind of haunting, creepy montage like that. If you want some help or a point in the right direction, send me a PM and I may be able to assist. Awake! Dark Prism
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Post by horrid on Aug 6, 2011 22:27:55 GMT -6
I know this is an old thread. I just wanted to say it's a great interview and it helped me understand things more as I am somewhat new to the Fourth way. Also it was interesting to see Master Satanis use a line from Frank Herbert's Dune. I've always thought the story of Paul transforming into Muad'Dib had a deeper meaning than just science fiction.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 27, 2011 22:54:41 GMT -6
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Post by talek on Sept 28, 2011 12:52:28 GMT -6
I have just begun reading this interview, before I loose my training of thought, I had to mention my "take away"on an answer that Master Satanis gave and here is the question and answer quote:
Question : In his book, The Psychology of Man’s Possible Evolution, Ouspensky describes the human mind as composed of myriad little “i”s , each attempting to assert its dominance over the body-mind complex at any given moment. He further states that these little “i”s must be made subservient to a larger big “I” (the "magnetic center") that may be either dormant in man’s natural sleeping state or else wholly synthetic and created by an awakened human being.
Three related questions: Is the magnetic center, or soul, something everyone has or must it be created? How does one create or realize such a magnetic center? If we might be permitted to conjecture on life beyond death (something which we obviously know nothing about), could one conceive of the magnetic center as being a pre-requisite for transcending death?
Answer by Master Satanis :
Great questions!
A magnetic center must be created. Our 'I's will not organize properly by accident. Without recognition, without purpose, without authority... a collection of 'I's is nothing. Every sleeping person has these worthless 'I's which means nothing substantial can get done.
Recognizing that we are always full of and controlled by these 'I's is the first step. Then a student of the 4th Way must find those 'I's that wish to work, to make progress. Lastly, certain work-related 'I's need to be put in charge... otherwise all you'll have is unproductive chaos.
Eventually, a magnetic center can become crystallized within us... but that is a longer process.
Indeed, achieving magnetic center is a pre-requisite for transcending death. There's the melting pot of half-formed souls which gets constantly recycled not unlike the idea of reincarnation. On the other hand, a select few can enter the next phase with their essence or soul intact. Hopefully, every Left Hand Path practitioner seeks to enter that unknown dimension as their true self. unquote>
My take away : This is the Cult of Cthulhu, the Cult is our Magnetic Center. The Cult is a Magnetic Center of on a larger view, the big picture, ok, I will go so far as to say the Left Hand Path. The Cult may be quite possibly the Magnetic Center of the Left Hand Path. Now this help me to understand Master Satanis vision for uniting the Left hand Path, because the Path is so huge and so individualistic, so diverse, so sly man theology. Now I agree with Master Satanis and his Vision, the left hand path needs a Magnetic Center, now I understand when he says do you know what we could accomplish in Union, "United".
My other "take away" is this the reason why I am here. I am here to learn, grow, and share my experiences from the Magnetic Center, The Cult of Cthulhu, how to achieve getting my I's centered. I want to know how to make forward motion in my Life, how to become aware, how to become conscious, how to go about the "Great Work" The Cult of Cthulhu is that magnetic center where I learn from the other I's, fellow cultist, just how to proceed, along with all the shocks, the comparisions, and the contrast, I need to accomplish my goal as a Cultist, and at the same time hopefully helping the Cult of Cthulhu accomplish our goals as a Cult, under the direction of one "I", the first follower, the lead of the Great Ancient Ones. Some fellow Cultist may not agree with this anology, and understanably so. I know this is just one comparison, for the Cult has so many degrees of perfection. In conclusion how do I learn to escape this materialist, mechincal world and deeper, my machine, by being here, in the doing and applying consistenily. The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die !
Now in retrospect I have answered the questions in " To Be a Cultist" given by our Priestess of R'lyeh Cora'Sahn :
Each initiate should ask themselves: 1. Why would I seek initiation? 2. Am I in process of initiation and how would I recognize it? 3. Do I understand the paradigm I am initiating into? 4. Do I understand the goals of the organization I seek to initiate with? 5. Am I a user or a cultist? 6. Why is this distinction important 7. How do I ascend? 8. Why should I be ascending?
This interview and the answers Master Satanis excellently gave helped me to answer these questions,and help me to answer the rest of the questions in the Essay. Lord Satanis in this interview gave me a "working definition" in a nutshell, and help me to formulate and line up my answers to these questions. He gave me a Magnetic Center, so to speak. Now am I a user or a cultist? A user in using the tools that the Cult of Cthulhu provides to help me achieve my goals and using my energies, a right use of my energies to become One in Essence with the Cult, a Cultist. Excellent Interview, thank you Ipsissimus Satanis !
Some experiences are so profound they alter our DNA!
Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu ...
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 28, 2011 13:55:48 GMT -6
Well done, Talek. I'm exalting you now!
That's a great way of looking at it: the Cult of Cthulhu is Magnetic Center to the Left Hand Path or multitude of 'I's. We might be able to refine this model further... Suggestions?
I took the liberty of adding this to our Directory of Awesome Posts (and making a few editorial adjustments).
Awake!
VS
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Post by sin on Sept 28, 2011 14:11:16 GMT -6
That's actually how I found it, through that directory. Impressive. I especially enjoyed:
Your grasp of the material is apparent.
Exalted!
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Post by talek on Sept 29, 2011 9:35:38 GMT -6
Suggestions, I am not well studied, but I do have thoughts, which some may conceive as being dangerous, mad, or just off the charts. It was you Master Satanis, that opened my mind to the possibility of unification, which lead to the thought of how? This Left Hand path is just too diverse, but then look at the paradigms, from which people work from. Paradigms that are constructed within the Machine, for if man is a mechanical machine, then his universe must be a mechanical machine, and what comes out of this universe must be a machine, all sleeping, all having mechanical processes. If belief is reality, when an individual changes his or hers' belief, then their universe changes. If a person utilizes the fourth way system to become awake, then their universe awakens with them. When I read your words about a magnetic center, then surely the Cult has to be a magnetic center of it's own. If we used the fourth way as a working model for Left hand path unification, then identification has to be destroyed, because we are moving the Left hand path as a whole up in the "Great Work", eluding too, the left hand path as a whole, must have a center, a unifying center without identification. Using the fourth way system as a working model removes this identification and spring boards the left hand path into forward motion. Which may have the potential to open up all kinds of consciousness, the left hand path becomes conscious, but this consciousness must have a center. When exploration moves along these lines, universes are waiting to be discovered. People identify us as the Cult of Cthulhu, but we are not the Cult of Cthulhu, this is an identification, but we live within a mechanical world, so we have to have a center a starting point, and this is the Cult of Cthulhu. Man is still living within the same matrix that has been handed down through out all the centuries, this matrix must be removed, higher consciousness has to be the key. The fourth way system as a working model gives an avenue to move beyond our paradigms, our matrixes, gives us a way to awaken this consciousness. My personal belief is people in the left hand path identify your vision of unification with the Cult of Cthulhu, and this identification must go away for forward motion to take place, along with other left hand path machines, or mechanical paradigms. The Cult of Cthulhu is a vehicle that we utilize to spring us into the next level of consciousness. We are human, as humans we identify, and we have to live in this world, so we have to have a vehicle with all the symbols which goes into our makeup as humans to spring board us into the next level, a conscious level, not just another machine earth bound system, as others in the left hand path also utilize their paradigms or individual system as spring boards, but the jest is, is their system a mechanical machine also. Goals can be formulated once identification is removed and a working hypothesis is formulated, and there is a working model such as the fourth way system, to help with that formulation. Conclusion my thoughts are madness, but just think, the fourth way system, as a working model, and it is just that a working model, with the right people, the leaders of the left hand path when they set aside their identification and come together with a unifying goal or center, might just have an opportunity to awaken the left hand path, not just us on the LHP, but dissolve this identification of a LHP or RHP, all together. Yes I am mad, but I am sure Dread Cthulhu will eat me, if he does not approve, of my thoughts or of my madness. The Cult of Cthulhu shall never die! I had to modify my post, of course these thoughts are futuristic, and for a distant time, far, far away. Hail Master Satanis ! Talek Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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