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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 24, 2011 23:24:54 GMT -6
To answer with a definitive "yes" or "no" to this question would be to over-simplify a very complex issue and lead to certain extreme risks. The correct answer is that, yes, a person can be born with a genetic predisposition toward being homosexual. That predisposition is natural, and should this trait express itself, then the individual should be allowed to pursue his or her genetic predestination. However, experience has shown us that environment can play a role in the expression of this genetic trait (often and unfortunately to the detriment of the individual) and there remains a level of choice in how the individual chooses to express this trait. In other words, a genetic predisposition does not guarantee homosexual behavior. Ultimately an individual choice, often influenced by their environment, must come into play. ... Read the rest of this post and other posts on politics and social issues here: satansego.blogspot.com/2010/12/are-people-born-gay.html |
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Post by Erebos on Feb 25, 2011 16:22:43 GMT -6
Yes, that is most likely the closest answer and it also goes along with my thinking on other things involving genetics, environment, and the Will. It is true that some people are genetically superior in intelligence or someone could be born with a more physical advantage, this of course is a combination of a number of genes but the ideas still apply.
Just because someone has an advantage in being intelligent or physically strong does not mean they will show those traits, or use them. Probably the most other effecting issue is the environment. Perhaps some who is born weaker than others is born to physical fit parents or into some other matter where they must become strong. That weaker person may now be stronger than someone born with the physical advantage who could have been born to lazy parents or into a slothful environment. A good example of this is the president, Theodore Roosevelt. He was born a weak and feeble child but he went on to become very physically fit hulk of a man, this proves my point most perfectly.
The same could be said with intelligent people. A kid with an above average intelligence will eventually become lazy when they are offered insignificant challenges in school. This will most certainly shape them to become lazy and slothful but later in life they are forced under challenges which are beyond their power to solve because they never learned to work hard. Now the kid who may have been born less intelligent would have learned to study hard and eventually achieve a better mindset and can solve those future problems thus they would be the intelligent and the others will fall into torturous ignorance.
My main point here is to agree with your point with saying that both genetics and the environment combine together to form ones Will and ultimately their future decisions and expressions. Now this may be off the subject slightly but my point here is more to show how this theory is sound and possible. Some may think it wrong but I must say it makes perfect sense and is most likely the truth.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 25, 2011 16:47:33 GMT -6
Yes, that is most likely the closest answer and it also goes along with my thinking on other things involving genetics, environment, and the Will. It is true that some people are genetically superior in intelligence or someone could be born with a more physical advantage, this of course is a combination of a number of genes but the ideas still apply. Just because someone has an advantage in being intelligent or physically strong does not mean they will show those traits, or use them. Probably the most other effecting issue is the environment. Perhaps some who is born weaker than others is born to physical fit parents or into some other matter where they must become strong. That weaker person may now be stronger than someone born with the physical advantage who could have been born to lazy parents or into a slothful environment. A good example of this is the president, Theodore Roosevelt. He was born a weak and feeble child but he went on to become very physically fit hulk of a man, this proves my point most perfectly. The same could be said with intelligent people. A kid with an above average intelligence will eventually become lazy when they are offered insignificant challenges in school. This will most certainly shape them to become lazy and slothful but later in life they are forced under challenges which are beyond their power to solve because they never learned to work hard. Now the kid who may have been born less intelligent would have learned to study hard and eventually achieve a better mindset and can solve those future problems thus they would be the intelligent and the others will fall into torturous ignorance. My main point here is to agree with your point with saying that both genetics and the environment combine together to form ones Will and ultimately their future decisions and expressions. Now this may be off the subject slightly but my point here is more to show how this theory is sound and possible. Some may think it wrong but I must say it makes perfect sense and is most likely the truth. If you haven't already, could you post your comment on my blog: satansego.blogspot.com/2010/12/are-people-born-gay.html |
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Post by loganvonkannibal on Feb 26, 2011 12:39:54 GMT -6
I'm gay, and I've know since I was 9, I didn't have any gay friends at the time, so it wasn't my "surroundings". I do believe people are born gay, but I also believe some people just say they are to sound cool.
This question is hard to answer because there is so much evidence for both sides. Someone even came to me with the conclusion that it was a birth deffect, as much as I hated that answer, it could happen. I think it's up to people to deicide where they stand on the debate, but I say, yes people are born gay.
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Post by jasonsorrell on Feb 26, 2011 13:13:50 GMT -6
I'm gay, and I've know since I was 9, I didn't have any gay friends at the time, so it wasn't my "surroundings". I do believe people are born gay, but I also believe some people just say they are to sound cool. This question is hard to answer because there is so much evidence for both sides. Someone even came to me with the conclusion that it was a birth deffect, as much as I hated that answer, it could happen. I think it's up to people to deicide where they stand on the debate, but I say, yes people are born gay. If you have not yet, click on the link and read my whole blog on this topic. I agree with you that it is convoluted. A birth defect could lead toward a change in an individual's mental chemistry which might express itself as homosexuality, but I think such a case would be very rare. I lean toward the idea of choice, rooted in genetic potential and the influence of the environment as the reason that some people are homosexual, and that their choice should be respected and the freedom to make that choice celebrated. Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. |
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Post by boksmutant on Feb 26, 2011 15:22:52 GMT -6
This does get to the heart of it.
A society is much greater when it accepts a persons choice vs wondering about the science of Gods creations.
If we accept things as choice, it allows a more spiritual acceptance vs being "born a certain way" makes us worry more about the science of it. Which could be mostly bad IMO. Its probably the very reason for most of our technological advances. Which is, what I think could be considered bad.
But they both have they're advantage given the cultural era they're in.
So in today's society, both are probably necessary. That's to bad.
Awake!
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 14, 2011 14:08:46 GMT -6
I'm gay, and I've know since I was 9, I didn't have any gay friends at the time, so it wasn't my "surroundings". I do believe people are born gay, but I also believe some people just say they are to sound cool. This question is hard to answer because there is so much evidence for both sides. Someone even came to me with the conclusion that it was a birth deffect, as much as I hated that answer, it could happen. I think it's up to people to deicide where they stand on the debate, but I say, yes people are born gay. As a gay man myself I can honestly say i agree with you because if it was environmental and socail then my all means I should be super-hetro,instead of gay. PS: It's noce to knwo there's another gay cultist in the forums ;D |
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Post by Hupadgh N'ghft on Mar 14, 2011 15:12:53 GMT -6
I think it's a choice for some and by birth for others, this would mostly apply to Bi's in my eyes though.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 14, 2011 18:14:56 GMT -6
PS: It's noce to knwo there's another gay cultist in the forums ;D And here's another  Yes, I agree that people are born gay. I started sexual experience very early in life and I have always been predisposed towards experiences with other males. I lost my virginity to another boy when i was 12, and my first experience with a female was 2 years later. I experimented with each for a long time, before arriving at the conclusion that while Yes, I am gay, it's not cock that turns me on - it's perversion and depravity. So I think there are more sexual preferences than just gay, straight, bi, and asexual. In all reality, I don't think it matters what classification we fit into as long as we're gaining and growing from whatever it is we do. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! |
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 14, 2011 19:00:57 GMT -6
PS: It's noce to knwo there's another gay cultist in the forums ;D And here's another Yes, I agree that people are born gay. I started sexual experience very early in life and I have always been predisposed towards experiences with other males. I lost my virginity to another boy when i was 12, and my first experience with a female was 2 years later. I experimented with each for a long time, before arriving at the conclusion that while Yes, I am gay, it's not cock that turns me on - it's perversion and depravity. So I think there are more sexual preferences than just gay, straight, bi, and asexual. In all reality, I don't think it matters what classification we fit into as long as we're gaining and growing from whatever it is we do. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! Tentacle Hugs ;D,Me I just took one look at a nude chick when I was 13 and was like nope just not feeling it toward boobs and cootchie,now when her brother walked in the house I was all over him and was like yup i'm gay. |
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 14, 2011 19:10:29 GMT -6
Haha good call. It's easier for some than others. I feel a lot of pity for those who have so much trouble discovering or coming to terms with their sexuality. My bf was raised in a household of Jehova's Witnesses, so his own journey of self-discovery has been somewhat stifled for a long time. But now I'm there to help shed a little darkness on everything  The knowledge that my very influence is corrupting, and in that way enlightening, the people I'm involved with certainly brings me a lot of mirth Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! |
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Mar 18, 2011 16:07:20 GMT -6
I think Ny'obstaresh is a fan of the theory that everyone is at least a little bisexual. Honestly, I never realized that I was bi until a gay friend of mine "got in my pants" so to speak. I later came to terms with the fact that, yes indeed I am a fetishist as well! Like I often say though, "I am a bisexual fetishist! I have forgotten more about sex than most people ever know!"
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 20, 2011 13:42:01 GMT -6
Actually, no - I don't believe that. I believe everyone has the potential to be bisexual (or pansexual, or, conversly, even "asexual") but not that they necessarily are bi to begin with.
What makes you think I believe that? And moreover, what if I do?
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by loganvonkannibal on Mar 20, 2011 13:45:47 GMT -6
I'm gay, and I've know since I was 9, I didn't have any gay friends at the time, so it wasn't my "surroundings". I do believe people are born gay, but I also believe some people just say they are to sound cool. This question is hard to answer because there is so much evidence for both sides. Someone even came to me with the conclusion that it was a birth deffect, as much as I hated that answer, it could happen. I think it's up to people to deicide where they stand on the debate, but I say, yes people are born gay. As a gay man myself I can honestly say i agree with you because if it was environmental and socail then my all means I should be super-hetro,instead of gay. PS: It's noce to knwo there's another gay cultist in the forums ;D Yes, it is nice to have us here because we're just oh so fabulous dressers, he said sarcastically |
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 20, 2011 15:25:43 GMT -6
LOL!
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 21, 2011 16:31:14 GMT -6
As a gay man myself I can honestly say i agree with you because if it was environmental and socail then my all means I should be super-hetro,instead of gay. PS: It's noce to knwo there's another gay cultist in the forums ;D Yes, it is nice to have us here because we're just oh so fabulous dressers, he said sarcastically[/quote And don't you forget that either.Tosses head and does the triple finger snap |
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 21, 2011 16:32:47 GMT -6
Haha good call. It's easier for some than others. I feel a lot of pity for those who have so much trouble discovering or coming to terms with their sexuality. My bf was raised in a household of Jehova's Witnesses, so his own journey of self-discovery has been somewhat stifled for a long time. But now I'm there to help shed a little darkness on everything The knowledge that my very influence is corrupting, and in that way enlightening, the people I'm involved with certainly brings me a lot of mirth Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! Well he is a very lucky guy becuase you are most definately beautiful....Hmm hey can I clone you?? ;D |
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 21, 2011 16:58:37 GMT -6
Haha good call. It's easier for some than others. I feel a lot of pity for those who have so much trouble discovering or coming to terms with their sexuality. My bf was raised in a household of Jehova's Witnesses, so his own journey of self-discovery has been somewhat stifled for a long time. But now I'm there to help shed a little darkness on everything The knowledge that my very influence is corrupting, and in that way enlightening, the people I'm involved with certainly brings me a lot of mirth Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn! Well he is a very lucky guy becuase you are most definately beautiful....Hmm hey can I clone you?? ;D Hahahahaha. Hell no, I don't think this world could handle two of me |
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 26, 2011 14:08:39 GMT -6
Well he is a very lucky guy becuase you are most definately beautiful....Hmm hey can I clone you?? ;D Hahahahaha. Hell no, I don't think this world could handle two of me awwww :PWell if i could clone you i'd keep the clone hidden from the world so the planet wouldn't explode ;D |
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Post by lokidreaming on Mar 29, 2011 5:00:33 GMT -6
Seriously
What is peoples fascination with are you born gay or not?
Trying to make sense of it all?
It is all bloody nonsense to me.
So what if someone is gay or not?
Why do everyone have to dig down and over complicate matters all the time?
Loki Dreaming
Belief Is Reality
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 29, 2011 11:14:18 GMT -6
Seriously What is peoples fascination with are you born gay or not? Trying to make sense of it all? It is all bloody nonsense to me. So what if someone is gay or not? Why do everyone have to dig down and over complicate matters all the time? Loki Dreaming Belief Is Reality Dunno,but at times people take the fun out of things for me,when they try to over complicate it.Thats when i step back and say born that wya you don't like then drop dead cause i'm here to stay..I usually throw in a finger snap on that too just to get my point across. |
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on Mar 29, 2011 18:55:55 GMT -6
Yup! You're definitely gay! But if it helps at all sir, I'm perfectly cool with that!
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Apr 14, 2011 12:30:45 GMT -6
Yup! You're definitely gay! But if it helps at all sir, I'm perfectly cool with that! LOL! Thats kool with me. |
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The knowledge that my very influence is corrupting, and in that way enlightening, the people I'm involved with certainly brings me a lot of mirth 