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Post by darkprism on Feb 20, 2011 4:18:09 GMT -6
Hi Symbolicone,
I'd be fascinated if your view on Marijuana and efforts remains the same after several years or even a decade or two of use. You've been using it for 5 months you say? And have you experimented with any other drugs?
I'm not saying that efforts can't be made whilst on drugs, but drugs do distort perceptions, change brain chemistry and distort thinking processes, sometimes leading to insights and at other times leading to confusion.
I am suggesting that these states of insight are only temporary, however helpful they may be at the time, the effects wear off and the individual still has only their own effort left to push them further along the path to Awakening. While they may assist, they may also hinder, so control as you mentioned would be a determining factor.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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Post by symbolicone on Feb 20, 2011 4:49:13 GMT -6
I should clarify. By "5 months of use" I mean that I've been using all day every day since then, but I've been using more casually and with less control for the past 4 years. I go through about 7grams a week, use about 50% tobacco and a German all-glass single perc bong (and nothing else). I have indeed experimented with other drugs. Namely heroin, nitrogen and steroids.
I don't believe that insight whilst on drugs is any less significant than insight any other time. But it is entirely possible that other people get very different effects to what I get.
I have Aspergers, depression and ADHD. So my experience may differ wildly from other peoples experiences. I have spent a large part of my life overcoming these disorders, and for most part, I have.
I think that ultimately, if you can use drugs to increase the productivity and quality of your life, than nothing else really matters. However unlikely that could be.
I'll keep you all posted if I change any thoughts on this issue with more prolonged exposure.
Awake!
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Post by darkprism on Feb 20, 2011 14:49:38 GMT -6
If you are finding that drugs are enhancing your productivity and quality of life and assisting you with your ailments then by all means this is a positive thing, if you have control.
I'm just a little confused though. When you clarified that you've been using all day every day for the last five months, and more casually with 'less control' over the last four years, I have a hard time seeing how you are under more control now.
I know with my own two decade use and struggle on and off with drugs, and from seeing the first hand experiences of my friends and peers that daily use would suggest one is actually not gaining control and free choice but falling under the subtle spell of reliance and addiction.
Even if you are finding relief and use free choice, try to be mindful that you might be deceiving yourself that you are under control of a daily habit.
If you pursue the 'Work' over a lengthy period you might find that we very often deceive ourselves in regards to a great many things. I don't know you, but to me, from what you've said, it would appear that you had more control and will when using drugs casually and not daily. Just a thought. I could very well be wrong.
Awake!
Dark Prism
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Post by lokidreaming on Feb 20, 2011 20:39:45 GMT -6
My advice is recreate the sensation of being on drugs when there are no drugs in your system. A really good example of this is to go to a concert dry and stay dry and try to recreate the experience when you were on drugs.
That way hopefully, one learns not to be too dependent on it and hopefully they understand the importance of natural energy around them and hopefully they find balance in both areas.
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by frateroculus on Oct 22, 2011 13:16:11 GMT -6
The idea that one reality is false and one reality is true is a type of infantile morality. The dualistic idea that one is in a "bad" place and has to get to another place that one will then arbitrarily judge as "good" or "better" is a problem akin to the Christian one! This is the idea that one will be punished for "bad" and rewarded for "good."
The idea that a drug experience is "false" is so silly. How can an experience be false?
A drug experience is an experience worth having, just like any experience. The more points you have on your grid the more likely you will be able to triangulate on what "reality" is. Most people have "awake" and "asleep," and then finally they have "dead." Why wait until then to get a new vantage point and reveal to oneself the innermost workings of the brain?
There are no "good" or "bad" drugs. There are stupid usages for them however, such as smoking tobacco habitually because it "feels good." Reinforcing your infantile oral fixation and childish desire for pleasure will hinder you because you are not independant, you are in-dependance.
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Post by Prasinus Ambulans on Nov 13, 2011 22:55:04 GMT -6
To me drugs are a gateway into a temporary state of a personal enlightenment. I myself am a rather frequent Marijuana smoker and have stepped only slightly into other abuse of drugs (Vicodin, Hydrocodone, etc forms of pills) WHile i dont recommend the second half, I smoke to bring myself an inner sense of peace and tranquility. When im "High" my mind traverses to a different plane and gives me a new perception. While I'd never promote their use to anyone, I certainly see a purpose in use and logic behind it
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Post by sin on Nov 14, 2011 7:56:10 GMT -6
Drug-use, should be recreational, but then again - it depends on the drug (IMO). Alcohol, while legal, can be just as damaging with improper use, as illegal drugs can be. Then there is the abuse of prescription drugs and other legal vices.
I prefer to have my scruples in tact, so if I do indulge (and in moderation) its responsible use. I think the proclivity towards addiction is already present - before a person decides to 'use' something as a coping tool, or as a way to pull out Gnosis - habitually. That should be managed BEFORE deciding to indulge into any mind-altering drug.
I don't think drugs or alcohol are *needed*, but can be helpful in some cases. I use alcohol when I trance, usually a couple of glasses of wine will send me into a descent. I prefer a more sobering ritual, by comparison - it really depends on what I'm doing and why. I do not use drugs during rituals.
There is a clear difference between a responsible adult using in moderation recreationally, and a wreckless adult being used with responsibility thrown to the wind.
As an alternative to illegal substances, I can recommend potpourri. It's legal, gives you a buzz, and a great way to kick an illegal drug habit.
This is my favorite blend: www.discountherbalincense.com/stink-eye-3g-wholesale-potpourri
It carries a raging case of cotton mouth, that's my only complaint. Otherwise, the flavor and 'high' is pretty good.
This one sneaks up on you, but it's a fair grade better than the Stink eye blend: (Vortex) intenseherbs.com/product_info.php?cPath=103_147&products_id=1056
Less cotton mouth, more 'high', the flavor is sort of a spearmint after taste.
This should also be used responsibly.
CS
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