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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 2, 2011 12:43:51 GMT -6
This is a video I've favorited on The Ichor youtube channel. For those who don't know, it was made by Jason Sorrell (former Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus). I think it has extraordinary value. Some of his individualistic message, not only here but in other arenas, might come as a shock to our system... but that is good. Shocks are needed.
All those buffers inside of us try to calibrate a comfortable, smooth sailing to a death-like paralysis: sleep. Nature doesn't want us woken up, doesn't want us shocked out of our trance. That's just too fucking bad. Awaken! Keep an open mind. Observe without judgement first, then allow Higher Forces to influence your perspective.
Jason has challenged us many a time. He desires our reach to extend our grasp; not just us but I believe the entire Left Hand Path movement. Even though we disagree often, I take his criticism, as well as, his praise as an opportunity to step up... to keep bringing something new to our Father's table again and again. Don't we owe that to ourselves?
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 2, 2011 13:42:44 GMT -6
This is a video I've favorited on The Ichor youtube channel. For those who don't know, it was made by Jason Sorrell (former Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus). I think it has extraordinary value. Some of his individualistic message, not only here but in other arenas, might come as a shock to our system... but that is good. Shocks are needed.
All those buffers inside of us try to calibrate a comfortable, smooth sailing to a death-like paralysis: sleep. Nature doesn't want us woken up, doesn't want us shocked out of our trance. That's just too fucking bad. Awaken! Keep an open mind. Observe without judgement first, then allow Higher Forces to influence your perspective.
Jason has challenged us many a time. He desires our reach to extend our grasp; not just us but I believe the entire Left Hand Path movement. Even though we disagree often, I take his criticism, as well as, his praise as an opportunity to step up... to keep bringing something new to our Father's table again and again. Don't we owe that to ourselves?
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
Sorry, Master Satanis, to respond to this so vehemently, but WTF did I do to piss "Ego Diabolus" (emphasis on the EGO!) off so much??? The pdf ebooks were found on free websites by doing a simple Google search! They were clearly advertised as FREE! All I did was try to save some members time. Mr. Ego needs to check his facts too before he lays into someone. If memory serves me correctly I have paid to keep the COC website free before. It might have only been once, but I did do that. The fact of the matter is that I personally live in extreme poverty. My hubby makes and controls ALL the money. I'm not even on the bank account. I am doing my very best to correct this situation. But it does take a little time. The only, and I do mean only, reason that I don't pour a shitload of money into COC is because I don't have it. And I do mean that seriously with all of my heart! So i do the best that I can by sharing the FREE ebooks that I have. So, as far as I'm concerned, Mr Ego Diabolus can damn well piss off!!!! Awake!
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Post by boksmutant on Jan 2, 2011 16:10:10 GMT -6
Sarak G'hash, I had no idea that was to you, interesting. Makes me wounder if Ill be on Ego's hit list some day lol. Probably best just to take it as a compliment.
But he definitely used you to push a message he always like's discussing, Inactivity & community. Which we're all well aware are of great importance to him.
I dont know where I stand with PDF's & sharing information. Its good & bad. The Video store I grew up going to for thirty years is gonna close some day thanks to Net Flix. But then again I see things on Net Fix I never could get my hands on. Whats of more value to me?
As for community, people must take what they learn & put it into practice. They must live it. It must be presented to the world as a power & not a secret. That reluctance of people to see their beliefs as a power to mold their environment are passive. You could call em weak. A community cannot arise from such a person. One must be proactive to sustain a community,or more importantly themselves.
As for inactivity & people not putting in. Their expression of individuality is more important to them than their desire to express. Which I think is counter to self deification. Nothing should be more important to a person than coming to terms with themselves & their desires. It might be possible that these so called "individualists" are merely running from their own tendencies toward the Mob mentality. They have not come to terms with themselves.
All organizations are vehicles to better express oneself. This should appeal to self deifying types. Or at least those hoping to grow.
Kudos to you Sarak G'hash for paying in to the COC's cause. That is an example of commitment.
Hail the Cult!
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Post by raygunnz171 on Jan 2, 2011 20:57:21 GMT -6
This is a video I've favorited on The Ichor youtube channel. For those who don't know, it was made by Jason Sorrell (former Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus). I think it has extraordinary value. Some of his individualistic message, not only here but in other arenas, might come as a shock to our system... but that is good. Shocks are needed.
All those buffers inside of us try to calibrate a comfortable, smooth sailing to a death-like paralysis: sleep. Nature doesn't want us woken up, doesn't want us shocked out of our trance. That's just too fucking bad. Awaken! Keep an open mind. Observe without judgement first, then allow Higher Forces to influence your perspective.
Jason has challenged us many a time. He desires our reach to extend our grasp; not just us but I believe the entire Left Hand Path movement. Even though we disagree often, I take his criticism, as well as, his praise as an opportunity to step up... to keep bringing something new to our Father's table again and again. Don't we owe that to ourselves?
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
Sorry, Master Satanis, to respond to this so vehemently, but WTF did I do to piss "Ego Diabolus" (emphasis on the EGO!) off so much??? The pdf ebooks were found on free websites by doing a simple Google search! They were clearly advertised as FREE! All I did was try to save some members time. Mr. Ego needs to check his facts too before he lays into someone. If memory serves me correctly I have paid to keep the COC website free before. It might have only been once, but I did do that. The fact of the matter is that I personally live in extreme poverty. My hubby makes and controls ALL the money. I'm not even on the bank account. I am doing my very best to correct this situation. But it does take a little time. The only, and I do mean only, reason that I don't pour a shitload of money into COC is because I don't have it. And I do mean that seriously with all of my heart! So i do the best that I can by sharing the FREE ebooks that I have. So, as far as I'm concerned, Mr Ego Diabolus can damn well piss off!!!! Awake! Sister if you paid to keep our religion up and going then Ego can shut up because THAT is bringing something to the table: keeping our paradigm going even if you did it just once that shows loyalty! AWAKE!
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Post by lokidreaming on Jan 3, 2011 0:18:00 GMT -6
All year I have been thinking I was goingthe right productive way regarding my limited time and limited resources.
However the last few months has been a sharp wake up call, I realiszed i wasn't doing enough and started to support those who had similar regarding unity of the occult and the LHP.
Then there is this member on here who has a family to support and after conversing with him I was kicking myself, he is working his butt off to support himself and has managed to be a very active member in the occult world and the LHP.
I'm single, stuck at a backpackers until I finish studying and am frustrated at my slow progress. I take a look at that persons life and realized I was not doing enough and that I knew that my "excusitis" were to blame for my slow progress so I have been trying to speed up the process of getting where I want in the short term in the occult path and the LHP.
If you know you can contribute more and not, why aren't you?
How are you going to affect change if its just all ideas in your head?
Are you waiting for someone to pack you on the back for your commitment?
Are you waiting for someone to nudge you all the time?
At times like this I understand very well the terms PSYCHIC VAMPIRES and a WOLF HAS A LOT OF FLEAS.
One of the most important lessons I learnt last year (2010), was to keep steeping forward slowly one step at a time and never stop and that it is up to me as an individual whether I stumble or fall.
Belief Is Reality Loki Dreaming
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Jan 3, 2011 4:48:49 GMT -6
This is a video I've favorited on The Ichor youtube channel. For those who don't know, it was made by Jason Sorrell (former Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus). I think it has extraordinary value. Some of his individualistic message, not only here but in other arenas, might come as a shock to our system... but that is good. Shocks are needed.
All those buffers inside of us try to calibrate a comfortable, smooth sailing to a death-like paralysis: sleep. Nature doesn't want us woken up, doesn't want us shocked out of our trance. That's just too fucking bad. Awaken! Keep an open mind. Observe without judgement first, then allow Higher Forces to influence your perspective.
Jason has challenged us many a time. He desires our reach to extend our grasp; not just us but I believe the entire Left Hand Path movement. Even though we disagree often, I take his criticism, as well as, his praise as an opportunity to step up... to keep bringing something new to our Father's table again and again. Don't we owe that to ourselves?
By His loathsome tentacles,
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
Sorry, Master Satanis, to respond to this so vehemently, but WTF did I do to piss "Ego Diabolus" (emphasis on the EGO!) off so much??? The pdf ebooks were found on free websites by doing a simple Google search! They were clearly advertised as FREE! All I did was try to save some members time. Mr. Ego needs to check his facts too before he lays into someone. If memory serves me correctly I have paid to keep the COC website free before. It might have only been once, but I did do that. The fact of the matter is that I personally live in extreme poverty. My hubby makes and controls ALL the money. I'm not even on the bank account. I am doing my very best to correct this situation. But it does take a little time. The only, and I do mean only, reason that I don't pour a shitload of money into COC is because I don't have it. And I do mean that seriously with all of my heart! So i do the best that I can by sharing the FREE ebooks that I have. So, as far as I'm concerned, Mr Ego Diabolus can damn well piss off!!!! Awake! Don't worry about Jason Sorrell..Who is he anyways? Lol. Nothing but a crybaby..a Satanist that needs people to buy his book. Next time no one comment about this guy..he's like a virus. He claims to be awakened. Listen to him talk, he's not awakened..just a angry guy who looks much older than he really is. He can't help but to argue and complain. Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 3, 2011 10:07:44 GMT -6
Sarak G'hash, we know the value of your contributions. We all appreciate your allowing the CoC forum to remain advertisement-free. Don't worry about the dissatisfied feelings of one man, at least you got on his radar.
That was the one point of contention regarding Jason's video. However, his sentiment about bringing something to the table still has value. Let us try to look beyond some of his examples in order to embrace the message.
As I said in the original post, Jason (and others) can provide us with necessary shocks so that we see ourselves from unorthodox angles.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by I AM the Way on Jan 3, 2011 10:29:30 GMT -6
My response to Jason's video where I use his notion of stepping-up as a jumping point to discuss related issues...
Had to do this vid in one take because my whole weekend was jammed with stuff going on. Feel free to post your feedback.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 3, 2011 11:51:50 GMT -6
Sarak G'hash, we know the value of your contributions. We all appreciate your allowing the CoC forum to remain advertisement-free. Don't worry about the dissatisfied feelings of one man, at least you got on his radar.
That was the one point of contention regarding Jason's video. However, his sentiment about bringing something to the table still has value. Let us try to look beyond some of his examples in order to embrace the message.
As I said in the original post, Jason (and others) can provide us with necessary shocks so that we see ourselves from unorthodox angles.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
I apologize again for lashing out, and yes his video does have merit and extremely important points. But Jason needs to get into the habit of checking out members by personal contact, even if it's only email, before passing judgment on someone's actions. People have been doing that to me all of my life and it stung. Or, as the old saying goes, never judge a book by it's cover. Awake!
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Post by Erebos on Jan 3, 2011 16:10:34 GMT -6
I would like to point out that a true writer does not write for money but to share their ideas. Todays writers should be proud that their ideas can be shared across the world with almost instant speed. Sharing information is a great thing and if someone is poor and cannot afford a book they should not be deprived of that information.
Money is not everything. Sure a cult needs funds to stay alive but not everyone really has to donate even though it would be better if they did. However, if someone brings a source of information or active conversations and ideas they should not be forced to pay along with the time they devoted.
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 3, 2011 16:56:35 GMT -6
I would like to point out that a true writer does not write for money but to share their ideas. Todays writers should be proud that their ideas can be shared across the world with almost instant speed. Sharing information is a great thing and if someone is poor and cannot afford a book they should not be deprived of that information. Money is not everything. Sure a cult needs funds to stay alive but not everyone really has to donate even though it would be better if they did. However, if someone brings a source of information or active conversations and ideas they should not be forced to pay along with the time they devoted. thank you soooo much for that! May the Ancient Ones bless you! Awake!
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Post by Erebos on Jan 3, 2011 17:56:27 GMT -6
I also would like to add that since this cult doesn't demand members pay that it shows The Cult of Cthulhu is not a manipulative scam that is around just to make some guy money. It shows the leadership isn't in it for money but to spread their beliefs. I understand that authors need to eat and income but people will always buy books and they will still be able to make a reasonable amount of money if their work is actually worth reading.
An author that wants to hide their book from the world just to fill a hole of greed is not worth to be called a writer. Some people have skill in writing I understand but few actually see meaning in their writing
To address things about pdfs I must say that if I truly enjoy the book I will buy it to show that I appreciate them for their great writing. (Normally I would buy the Cthulhu bibles but I can't order things from online at the moment.)
I am a beginning writer myself and personally would not care if people traded PDFs of my work, in fact I would love it if people did so. It shows that people like and want it, all I would ask is recognition and the spread of my ideas.
Belief truly is Reality!
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Post by andrewbloodworth on Jan 3, 2011 20:19:49 GMT -6
I also would like to add that since this cult doesn't demand members pay that it shows The Cult of Cthulhu is not a manipulative scam that is around just to make some guy money. It shows the leadership isn't in it for money but to spread their beliefs. I understand that authors need to eat and income but people will always buy books and they will still be able to make a reasonable amount of money if their work is actually worth reading. An author that wants to hide their book from the world just to fill a hole of greed is not worth to be called a writer. Some people have skill in writing I understand but few actually see meaning in their writing To address things about pdfs I must say that if I truly enjoy the book I will buy it to show that I appreciate them for their great writing. (Normally I would buy the Cthulhu bibles but I can't order things from online at the moment.) I am a beginning writer myself and personally would not care if people traded PDFs of my work, in fact I would love it if people did so. It shows that people like and want it, all I would ask is recognition and the spread of my ideas. Belief truly is Reality! I would have to agree with you Brother on that. You would want your work to spread..to get to as many people as possible. I question anyone who thinks otherwise. Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn
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Post by raygunnz171 on Jan 3, 2011 20:42:00 GMT -6
I also would like to add that since this cult doesn't demand members pay that it shows The Cult of Cthulhu is not a manipulative scam that is around just to make some guy money. It shows the leadership isn't in it for money but to spread their beliefs. I understand that authors need to eat and income but people will always buy books and they will still be able to make a reasonable amount of money if their work is actually worth reading. An author that wants to hide their book from the world just to fill a hole of greed is not worth to be called a writer. Some people have skill in writing I understand but few actually see meaning in their writing To address things about pdfs I must say that if I truly enjoy the book I will buy it to show that I appreciate them for their great writing. (Normally I would buy the Cthulhu bibles but I can't order things from online at the moment.) I am a beginning writer myself and personally would not care if people traded PDFs of my work, in fact I would love it if people did so. It shows that people like and want it, all I would ask is recognition and the spread of my ideas. Belief truly is Reality! I would have to agree with you Brother on that. You would want your work to spread..to get to as many people as possible. I question anyone who thinks otherwise. Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn I also agree, PDFs serve as a great preview when it comes to books and just for downloading free full pdf formats of books doesnt mean your not investing in the book. You are actually giving the author lots of recognition since it shows publishers that you as an author know something some others dont so Jason Sorrel cant really argue about sister G'Hash because if he allowed there to be free pdf formats of his book for free he would be smiling like a monkey with a hard on! Plus I might also add he was once "a flea". AWAKE!
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Post by Erebos on Jan 3, 2011 21:39:55 GMT -6
Then when the book PDFs authors are dead there really is no point in paying for it unless of course they have family being paid. I don't like paying some person for work that they had no part in creating, I understand if a relative of theirs is being paid but most of the time that is not the case.
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Post by raygunnz171 on Jan 3, 2011 22:10:12 GMT -6
Then when the book PDFs authors are dead there really is no point in paying for it unless of course they have family being paid. I don't like paying some person for work that they had no part in creating, I understand if a relative of theirs is being paid but most of the time that is not the case. I agree. AWAKE!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 4, 2011 11:46:08 GMT -6
My response to Jason's video where I use his notion of stepping-up as a jumping point to discuss related issues...
Had to do this vid in one take because my whole weekend was jammed with stuff going on. Feel free to post your feedback.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis Ipsissimus Cult of Cthulhu
This is an awesome motivational video! Very well done and a good wake up call! What was the name of the book that you were reading from? i want to get a copy of that one! Awake!
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Post by boksmutant on Jan 5, 2011 15:45:09 GMT -6
I like this topic. Imagine if Venger was a multimillionaire. Imagine what he could do with the Cult.
A Temple/Museum in Rode Island for us to visit. He could travel more & acquiring resources. Hell, he could fund Cultists individual projects to further our reach! Funding our own ideas! Would be pretty awesome.
In the meantime, if anyone of us Cultists came up with a good idea, we'd put in on it. Id throw a few dollars at, say a Cult "State Rep" so he could go to the conventions & meetings around the world. Bringing the experience back to us. Its free now, but a fee upon becoming a Herald or Wizard would be more advantages to the Cult. Power does cost some money lol.
Hail the Cult!
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Post by Erebos on Jan 5, 2011 17:55:52 GMT -6
I don't quite agree with that. As it would be profitable economically there may be problems.
For one a promising person wanting into those positions but does not have any money would harm the cult by not being allowed in. I'm sure there could be exceptions but it would be a flawed system that would keep even promising people out since some may try to get in and pay because of greed or something of that sort.
It also looks bad on the Cult. You should not pay money to be able to rise higher in any religion and makes the Cult look like a money scheme.
Now I'm not saying there should be no money making practices in the Cult but not to be required to rise through the ranks. Perhaps from merchandise, I know there are the bibles and the necklace thing but there could be more done. However, that too could be seen as a scheme created by the Cult if it turns into a big selling attribute.
Donations would probably be the best way to show that this Cult is successful and helps people. Then if the influence spreads enough someday donations will be large and could be used to create temples and other projects.
So I must say that becoming a Herald or Wizard should be free as money isn't anything compared to skill and determination of someone with little money to spare.
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Post by Apsara Kamalli on Jan 5, 2011 21:07:27 GMT -6
I don't quite agree with that. As it would be profitable economically there may be problems. For one a promising person wanting into those positions but does not have any money would harm the cult by not being allowed in. I'm sure there could be exceptions but it would be a flawed system that would keep even promising people out since some may try to get in and pay because of greed or something of that sort. It also looks bad on the Cult. You should not pay money to be able to rise higher in any religion and makes the Cult look like a money scheme. I think I have to side more with Boksmutanis here. I don't think that anyone should have to pay to become a Herald. However, there is something to paying fees as you climb your way up the ascension ladder. People tend to value more that which they must invest in. If they are required to give something of themselves, they take more time in their decision-making process. They value the investment, and hold it dearer to them. It can make the difference in "undying personal loyalty" for the time being and "undying personal loyalty" for the lifetime of the organization. This could include time as well as money. In my opinion, the ranks of Wizard of the Terrible Darkness and higher should hold many more responsibilities and commitments to the organization than Heralds or Messengers. When I was a Wizard of the Terrible Darkness, Lord Satanis and I were in discussions about just such things. However, I don't think it's gone anywhere since I stepped down as there are so few Wizards at this time. This is an area where the CoC needs drastic improvements. Good luck to those of you pursuing ascension. Awake! Apsara Kamalli Esoteric Herald of the Old Gods Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by Erebos on Jan 6, 2011 16:31:07 GMT -6
It is true what you say; however, I still don't entirely agree with paying money. If perhaps that person who climbs knows they can not devote enough time maybe then they should be required to pay money as kind of like a continual activity fee so they can stay in their position. If, however, they spend much of their time and make significant differences along with necessary duties over the days then they should not pay.
With the continual activity fee leadership must make sure that person is not just staying in that rank by paying money. After a while though the individual must make other contributions as well as performing their duties with the little time they have or else they should be lowered.
This will persuade the people to focus more of their loyalty and time to the Cult so they do not have to pay especially if they are poor. No one likes losing their position so if they are deemed not active enough they will probably be willing to pay a small fee. If such a person can absolutely not afford to pay at all or can't will have to devote more of their time.
No fee to rise but a punishment fee if duties are not filled, to put this all simply.
I could go into more detail but I would rather to keep this short for now to make my point instead of describing a whole system. There are still a lot of bugs that I can think of that can be worked out but at the moment that will not happen.
Belief Truly Is Reality!
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Post by boksmutant on Jan 6, 2011 18:44:35 GMT -6
Here's some possible ideas that Cultists would put in on.
#1 A "Cthulhu Float"for a local parade. The Cultist perposes the idea on the forum(or through PM's) & sells us the idea.
#2 A Priest in New Zealand can fly to Japan to represent the Cult at a religious convention. Put it on the forum & see if we go for it.
#3 A member is in Jail for protesting at a ralley(relative to the Cult), and needs bail money.
There are quite a few reasons for having a Cult treasury that could kick ass. Im broke right now though, but in a coulple weeks? Just look at the numbers. If thirty Cultists put in 20$, JUST 20$, thats 600 bucks! Thats fairely impressive. Now what about 50$ per Cultist. Now were getting somewhere. And thats only thirty Cultists! I could go up to 100$ on a good idea.
Awake!
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Post by Erebos on Jan 6, 2011 19:59:40 GMT -6
Here's some possible ideas that Cultists would put in on. #1 A "Cthulhu Float"for a local parade. The Cultist perposes the idea on the forum(or through PM's) & sells us the idea. #2 A Priest in New Zealand can fly to Japan to represent the Cult at a religious convention. Put it on the forum & see if we go for it. #3 A member is in Jail for protesting at a ralley(relative to the Cult), and needs bail money. There are quite a few reasons for having a Cult treasury that could kick ass. Im broke right now though, but in a coulple weeks? Just look at the numbers. If thirty Cultists put in 20$, JUST 20$, thats 600 bucks! Thats fairely impressive. Now what about 50$ per Cultist. Now were getting somewhere. And thats only thirty Cultists! I could go up to 100$ on a good idea. Awake! Yes, those are good things a Cult treasury would be great for, but I still don't agree with fees for rising though. Donations are good, but you can't make cultist pay money like that (not sure if you mean to make them pay it or if they donated.) We need to brainstorm on a good source of income that won't make us look bad to the Cultist themselves and possible recruits. Donations are the way most religions do it but since this is a small group that will not provide enough to do anything significant. I feel I'm being a bit redundant so I will not write much more; however, if anyone would like to brainstorm some good methods with me or others it should be done immediately.
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