Post by lokidreaming on Dec 8, 2010 11:09:01 GMT -6
First of all I like to empathise and sympathise with czhanjeem
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as that was in a way how I was thinking when I first stumbled across the COC spat. I was very tempted to put my two cents in, but I held back due to my own past experiences of jumping in with limited information into an arena where I was not very experienced or had not much knowledge in and due to those experience I knew the probability I upset alot of people was huge.
So I decided to sit back and observe this interesting tennis match in front of me and see what happens next, at the same I was involved in some intense occult disscussions on Facebook and started chating on the SIN Network and was reading this book that really changed my views due to it confirmed what I have been thinking and suspecting about world history regarding the occult and their influence on the world and how other organizations was doing everything tactically to suppress it.
Also I once again became really frustrated with the idiotic SATANISTS and due to these situations and feelings I decided to start writing and publish a few books of me own to try and affect/effect the LHP into more proactive action. I came up with a chapter called WHY I HATE PLATO? To do with how philosophy and magick has influcenced each other alot and how we are due for a course correction due to people like PLATO and other interferring people and ideas and why I hate PLATOS REPUBIC and THOMAS MOORES UTOPIA.
Then a series of big bangs lit up inside which lead me to have nagging feeling that Venger Satanis was right but I couldn't explain it and thought he was being very PLATO REBUBLIC at the same time.
Also during this time I was going through his youtubesvideos and going mmm and at one point I was going what bad PR. Then a few days later I rechecked out his videos and I was like WHOA, he is in a leather jacket and not half naked this time round. Thats an improvement but I still couldn't understand his pyramid!! I remember applauding him for his new PR style via Facebook. I couldn't shake off the yes he is right, no he is not right feeling.In my mind the PLATO EFFECT was corrupting his way of doing things. I understood what he was attempting to do and realized that I was secretly rooting for him to succeed, but I still felt some people were right that he was being too authoritarian.
Also I was watching Vegner Satanis videos as another angle for my reasearch for my book(s).
(Regarding your pyramid, the second one was way better, I actually understood what you were trying to explain. The first one was crap, it left someone new lke me trying to grasp the concept of the pyramid with utter confusion and disbeleif and going WTF? long after they watch it.
I am being brutally honest in my constructive critisim,seriously aim for first time is a charm with those videos.)
So after brushing off more my old writings, more disdcussions on Facebook and creating the I finally got it why I felt Vegner Satanis is right.
This part is a bit tricky as my mind is clouded my new material swimming in my head,so I will try my best to remember how I got where I am now.
Actually scrap what I said above due to after going on Facebook I remember now
"No I don't think Satanism is dependant on Christismity.
Satanism is more dependant on Human nature itself and the social enviroment and variables of the world."
This was the start of my postings in reponse to youtube video "Is Satanism dependent on Christianity?" and me responding to Ian Diabhal and they kept on prompting me to post on these boards, I half arsed resisted then finally took the plunge. So after a few days going back and forward on FB with Ian Diabhal and my mind swimming with one big bang after another, I just had to get all this stuff out of my system so I wrote that essay of mine on here that day.
During the writing of that essay I found myself fully siding with Vegnes Satanis and the COC even though I had some reservations. I pondered what to do next, I decided to might as well put my money in my mouth and jump down the rabbit hole that is COC.
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After I wrote it I was like WHOOA!! WTF just happened?
Hesitated, then press the enter key and went to course in a daze and in shock.
Then I stumbled across
Ben Nixx 'Al-Aswad: reloaded thread
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That also what I aslo had in my mind but couldn't find a way of writing it down.
Why?
Most people on the LHP GENERALLY ACCEPT certain answers or else you come across like whatever they think you are in their heads, so I deliberately avoided taking certain routes in my essay and tried to find a way of getting my point across which equates similary to a GENERALLY ACCEPTED answer for those limited SATANIST out there. I choose this route as I am and still weary of getting my head bitten off when opeinng up online.
Due to my experiences answering that Facebook chain of post, I realize I was wrong in thinking this way, as I found a way to test myself against other occultists out there and grow from it as I have been adviced to do regarding certain LHP material.
So bring it on!!! Give me your best shot!!!
Anyway
The puchline is the way COC presents itselfs is the right way going about it
"From personal experience in situations like this the individual always falsely blames the personal trainer for their pain and suffering.
The perosnal trainer is the a hepling aid, the trainee has to do all the hard work!!!"
In relating my quote from my essay the personal trainer is the COC and the trainee is the newbie like me who has to do all the hard work to get the rewards.
So what if the personal trainer doesn't look like that typical perosnal trainer you had in your head?
Or that personal trainer has a different style of training you are used to?
The recent spat also confirms my theory that magick always has a natural defence system and that knowledge will only be granted to those who are wise enough to understand that what they are seeing in front of them is just all smoke and mirrors and that in order to see past those smoke and mirrors once must dig really deep down themselves and once they make certain breakthroughs and attian certain levels of adeptness the individual finally starts to gain the true knowledge and magick in front of them that he is seeking.
So my advice to the COC is this
1) Keep on going your true course as the smoke and mirrors are working, weeding out those who aren't doing much and just a negative force on the COC.
(Let them keep on thinking what they want)
2)Have plans on how to design and implement plans to improve your smoke and mirrors to your advantage
(As in how do you keep those you want to think negatively bout COC to stop them being a thorn in your side etc)
3) How to have a solid and most importantly improve your PR campaign yet remain true to the COC without disrupting the positive smoke and mirror affect/effect.
(Attract more members and allies without scaring them away at the wrong time with the smoke and mirrors)
4) A) Human beings is quite dumb.
B) You can lead a horse/human to water, but you can't make
them go in.
So waiting for people to see past the smoke and mirrors is going to take a lot of time and patience and personally I don't have the time, energy or patience for that; I rather take a shortcut like go fishing (as in the smoke and mirror example I have given) to spead up results or my all time favourite I have learnt due to others doing it to me is to give them a great big push in the direction they should be going in or a great big push in the direction you want them to go in.
(I am very influenced by The Art of War and the Shaman (Toltec) ways, hence my brutaility and brutal honesty in tactics.)
And my adviced to those struggling with decisions, sometimes the best thing to do is stop going round in cricles confusing yourself silly and take a leap of faith and jump.
This also applies to those that feel the force strongly and still weighed by indecision; just take a deep breath and take jump. Sometimes that is the only way forawrd, just jump and take that leap of faith.
And If you guessed right, I am now in this rabbit hole called COC.
Why COC?
Like another group I joined and still am affliated with, it mirrors the stuff I have worked out myself and have proofen certain theories and suspicions I have had.
Most importantly I realised the importance of Venger Satanis and the COC brutal honest truth that they were speaking and the importance of thier brutal honest approach to the LHP and how no other group has come close to their honest approach regarding the LHP.
Some of those reading this might not understand this and think I'm a Vegner Satanis groupie and its obvious why I am here at COC and that Venger Satanis is lucky to have new members like me due to newbies like me with my misguided conclusions.
In my country (New Zealand) we have a saying
KNOW ME BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME
and in the occult world we have a saying
I JUST KNOW COS I KNOW HOW MY AWARENESS (MAGICK) WORKS FOR ME
More importantly this posting also acts in its own way as smoke and mirrors for the COC. Is it cos its naturally a smoke and mirror posting or I created it to be a smoke and mirror posting or a bit or both? Therefore I am laughing silently so hard right now!!!
Belief Is Reality
Loki Dreaming
ps:- Smoke and Mirrors II
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as that was in a way how I was thinking when I first stumbled across the COC spat. I was very tempted to put my two cents in, but I held back due to my own past experiences of jumping in with limited information into an arena where I was not very experienced or had not much knowledge in and due to those experience I knew the probability I upset alot of people was huge.
So I decided to sit back and observe this interesting tennis match in front of me and see what happens next, at the same I was involved in some intense occult disscussions on Facebook and started chating on the SIN Network and was reading this book that really changed my views due to it confirmed what I have been thinking and suspecting about world history regarding the occult and their influence on the world and how other organizations was doing everything tactically to suppress it.
Also I once again became really frustrated with the idiotic SATANISTS and due to these situations and feelings I decided to start writing and publish a few books of me own to try and affect/effect the LHP into more proactive action. I came up with a chapter called WHY I HATE PLATO? To do with how philosophy and magick has influcenced each other alot and how we are due for a course correction due to people like PLATO and other interferring people and ideas and why I hate PLATOS REPUBIC and THOMAS MOORES UTOPIA.
Then a series of big bangs lit up inside which lead me to have nagging feeling that Venger Satanis was right but I couldn't explain it and thought he was being very PLATO REBUBLIC at the same time.
Also during this time I was going through his youtubesvideos and going mmm and at one point I was going what bad PR. Then a few days later I rechecked out his videos and I was like WHOA, he is in a leather jacket and not half naked this time round. Thats an improvement but I still couldn't understand his pyramid!! I remember applauding him for his new PR style via Facebook. I couldn't shake off the yes he is right, no he is not right feeling.In my mind the PLATO EFFECT was corrupting his way of doing things. I understood what he was attempting to do and realized that I was secretly rooting for him to succeed, but I still felt some people were right that he was being too authoritarian.
Also I was watching Vegner Satanis videos as another angle for my reasearch for my book(s).
(Regarding your pyramid, the second one was way better, I actually understood what you were trying to explain. The first one was crap, it left someone new lke me trying to grasp the concept of the pyramid with utter confusion and disbeleif and going WTF? long after they watch it.
I am being brutally honest in my constructive critisim,seriously aim for first time is a charm with those videos.)
So after brushing off more my old writings, more disdcussions on Facebook and creating the I finally got it why I felt Vegner Satanis is right.
This part is a bit tricky as my mind is clouded my new material swimming in my head,so I will try my best to remember how I got where I am now.
Actually scrap what I said above due to after going on Facebook I remember now
"No I don't think Satanism is dependant on Christismity.
Satanism is more dependant on Human nature itself and the social enviroment and variables of the world."
This was the start of my postings in reponse to youtube video "Is Satanism dependent on Christianity?" and me responding to Ian Diabhal and they kept on prompting me to post on these boards, I half arsed resisted then finally took the plunge. So after a few days going back and forward on FB with Ian Diabhal and my mind swimming with one big bang after another, I just had to get all this stuff out of my system so I wrote that essay of mine on here that day.
During the writing of that essay I found myself fully siding with Vegnes Satanis and the COC even though I had some reservations. I pondered what to do next, I decided to might as well put my money in my mouth and jump down the rabbit hole that is COC.
cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=belief&action=display&thread=3957
After I wrote it I was like WHOOA!! WTF just happened?
Hesitated, then press the enter key and went to course in a daze and in shock.
Then I stumbled across
Ben Nixx 'Al-Aswad: reloaded thread
cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi....ead=3892&page=1
That also what I aslo had in my mind but couldn't find a way of writing it down.
Why?
Most people on the LHP GENERALLY ACCEPT certain answers or else you come across like whatever they think you are in their heads, so I deliberately avoided taking certain routes in my essay and tried to find a way of getting my point across which equates similary to a GENERALLY ACCEPTED answer for those limited SATANIST out there. I choose this route as I am and still weary of getting my head bitten off when opeinng up online.
Due to my experiences answering that Facebook chain of post, I realize I was wrong in thinking this way, as I found a way to test myself against other occultists out there and grow from it as I have been adviced to do regarding certain LHP material.
So bring it on!!! Give me your best shot!!!
Anyway
The puchline is the way COC presents itselfs is the right way going about it
"From personal experience in situations like this the individual always falsely blames the personal trainer for their pain and suffering.
The perosnal trainer is the a hepling aid, the trainee has to do all the hard work!!!"
In relating my quote from my essay the personal trainer is the COC and the trainee is the newbie like me who has to do all the hard work to get the rewards.
So what if the personal trainer doesn't look like that typical perosnal trainer you had in your head?
Or that personal trainer has a different style of training you are used to?
The recent spat also confirms my theory that magick always has a natural defence system and that knowledge will only be granted to those who are wise enough to understand that what they are seeing in front of them is just all smoke and mirrors and that in order to see past those smoke and mirrors once must dig really deep down themselves and once they make certain breakthroughs and attian certain levels of adeptness the individual finally starts to gain the true knowledge and magick in front of them that he is seeking.
So my advice to the COC is this
1) Keep on going your true course as the smoke and mirrors are working, weeding out those who aren't doing much and just a negative force on the COC.
(Let them keep on thinking what they want)
2)Have plans on how to design and implement plans to improve your smoke and mirrors to your advantage
(As in how do you keep those you want to think negatively bout COC to stop them being a thorn in your side etc)
3) How to have a solid and most importantly improve your PR campaign yet remain true to the COC without disrupting the positive smoke and mirror affect/effect.
(Attract more members and allies without scaring them away at the wrong time with the smoke and mirrors)
4) A) Human beings is quite dumb.
B) You can lead a horse/human to water, but you can't make
them go in.
So waiting for people to see past the smoke and mirrors is going to take a lot of time and patience and personally I don't have the time, energy or patience for that; I rather take a shortcut like go fishing (as in the smoke and mirror example I have given) to spead up results or my all time favourite I have learnt due to others doing it to me is to give them a great big push in the direction they should be going in or a great big push in the direction you want them to go in.
(I am very influenced by The Art of War and the Shaman (Toltec) ways, hence my brutaility and brutal honesty in tactics.)
And my adviced to those struggling with decisions, sometimes the best thing to do is stop going round in cricles confusing yourself silly and take a leap of faith and jump.
This also applies to those that feel the force strongly and still weighed by indecision; just take a deep breath and take jump. Sometimes that is the only way forawrd, just jump and take that leap of faith.
And If you guessed right, I am now in this rabbit hole called COC.
Why COC?
Like another group I joined and still am affliated with, it mirrors the stuff I have worked out myself and have proofen certain theories and suspicions I have had.
Most importantly I realised the importance of Venger Satanis and the COC brutal honest truth that they were speaking and the importance of thier brutal honest approach to the LHP and how no other group has come close to their honest approach regarding the LHP.
Some of those reading this might not understand this and think I'm a Vegner Satanis groupie and its obvious why I am here at COC and that Venger Satanis is lucky to have new members like me due to newbies like me with my misguided conclusions.
In my country (New Zealand) we have a saying
KNOW ME BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME
and in the occult world we have a saying
I JUST KNOW COS I KNOW HOW MY AWARENESS (MAGICK) WORKS FOR ME
More importantly this posting also acts in its own way as smoke and mirrors for the COC. Is it cos its naturally a smoke and mirror posting or I created it to be a smoke and mirror posting or a bit or both? Therefore I am laughing silently so hard right now!!!
Belief Is Reality
Loki Dreaming
ps:- Smoke and Mirrors II
cocthulhu.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=calling&thread=3990