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Post by pyramidhead333 on Nov 22, 2010 14:23:58 GMT -6
I know that Lilith and Kali are Shub-Niggurath, but what about Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, Tsathoggua, etc? Who are some gods or entities from different cultures that just so happen to be Them?
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Post by lillith13 on Nov 22, 2010 16:45:54 GMT -6
I would like to know that as well. That is something that has fascinated me for a long time and I wanted to know some of the names of the Deities associated with the Cthulhu Mythos. Attachments:
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Post by lillith13 on Nov 23, 2010 10:16:26 GMT -6
I know that Lilith and Kali are Shub-Niggurath, but what about Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, Tsathoggua, etc? Who are some gods or entities from different cultures that just so happen to be Them? I found this Link online, some of you probably already know about it,but just in case maybe someone can get use from it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Old_One#Table_of_Great_Old_Ones
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Post by boksmutant on Nov 23, 2010 11:02:21 GMT -6
Cool link Lillith13.
awake!
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Post by pyramidhead333 on Nov 23, 2010 11:10:29 GMT -6
I know that Lilith and Kali are Shub-Niggurath, but what about Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu, Tsathoggua, etc? Who are some gods or entities from different cultures that just so happen to be Them? I found this Link online, some of you probably already know about it,but just in case maybe someone can get use from it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Old_One#Table_of_Great_Old_OnesI think I've seen this one before, but it doesn't help much. By deities/entities equivalent to the Great Old Ones, I mean ones from actual cultures (religious or not), such as Hinduism, Judaism, etc.
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Post by lillith13 on Nov 23, 2010 13:15:48 GMT -6
Ok, well anyway maybe you can look around online and find something to your liking. I just thought it was pretty interesting and wasn't sure if you would get any use out of it,or not and I know now what your talking about.
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Post by lillith13 on Nov 23, 2010 13:19:19 GMT -6
Cool link Lillith13. awake! Thanks,glad you like it boksmutanis.
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Post by matthaeus on Mar 11, 2011 22:20:11 GMT -6
I've always considered Lovecraft's Dagon to be equivalent the titan Oceanus. Of course, that could be wish full thinking on my part, my family line counts him among our ancestors. Of course, a left-hand path follower considering himself to be a descendant of a god is fitting, isn't it?
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on Mar 12, 2011 17:36:35 GMT -6
I've always considered Lovecraft's Dagon to be equivalent the titan Oceanus. Of course, that could be wish full thinking on my part, my family line counts him among our ancestors. Of course, a left-hand path follower considering himself to be a descendant of a god is fitting, isn't it? Yup ;D
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 13, 2011 19:58:21 GMT -6
Dagon was a god before Lovecraft included Him in his writings. Canaanite, I believe. As for cross-religious correspondences, here's a few to get your brain squirming...
Shub-Niggurath - Kybele, Pan, Dionysus, Bacchus, Hecate. Yig - Quetzacoatl, Uroboros, Damballah. Nyarlathotep - Baron Samedi, The Black Man, Loki, Set. Yog-Sothtoth - Papa Legba. Cthulhu - Typhon, Morpheus.
Well, there's a start. A little something to whet your appetite. But you should certainly be trying to discover these connections and correspondences for yourself. Just because I see these deities as effective equivalents in my own paradigm, doesn't mean you will. Can't just give you all the answers now, can we? ;P
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Post by matthaeus on Mar 13, 2011 20:19:52 GMT -6
Dagon was a god before Lovecraft included Him in his writings. Canaanite, I believe. Yes, but there's some disagreement over the historical Dagon being an aquatic god. (He was primarily a god of grain) There is some evidence that he evolved from a fish/fishing god though (even if it is mainly from the Jewish bible.) Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 14, 2011 13:37:06 GMT -6
Well, I'm sure there is. There are usually disagreements over these things. But what kind of god he was before Lovecraft adapted his name for the Mythos is irrelevant really. The form he has taken in Mythos legends is the form we should be concerned with. But acknowledging Dagon's worship as going that far back in history is useful in building energy behind the deity's thoughtform.
Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by pyramidhead333 on Mar 15, 2011 10:40:00 GMT -6
Yes, I'm aware that Dagon was a Canaanite god before Lovecraft wrote about him. Remember I used to be a Christian? I've also read "The Pseudonomicon" by Phil Hine, oh, about 2 weeks ago, where it's said that Cthulhu's image is similar to the demonized form of Typhon. And I'm also aware that Yig is Quetzacoatl. It's implied in Tyson's Necronomicon along with Lovecraft and Bishop's "The Curse of Yig."
Lately, I've been considering that the Xtian version of Satan (lol I kinda sound like a JoS member right there saying "Xtian") may be one of Nyarlathotep's many avatars. Would make sense due to HPL's stories on Him along with the things written of in Tyson's Necronomicon. Then again, the Xtian concept of Satan may have been plagiarized from Norse mythology.
I'm gonna have to research some of those names. I know something of Hecate, I know a bit on Pan, I sorta know of Dionysus (wasn't Dionysus the god in True Blood?), Quetzacoatl, Damballah I've only heard of from the Child's Play series and Tyson's books, Set I know of having been fascinated by ancient Egyptian mythology 7 or so years ago, and Typhon I only know of from Kenneth Grant's sect, "The Pseudonomicon," and from the song "Black Dragon" by Dissection.
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Post by nephrenka on Mar 16, 2011 15:40:10 GMT -6
Well, I work in mostly in chaos paradigms, so I enjoy fitting things with more recent, pop culture relevance, as linking things you know and things forbidden/forgotten can be helpful in grounding, understanding, visualization and a lot of other things. Anyway, as for Nyarlathotep I have had some stupidly good success with using pyramid head from silent hill as one of his avatars. The silent hill universe in general has a lot of lovecraftian similarities that are pretty nice.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Mar 21, 2011 19:41:56 GMT -6
Yes, I'm aware that Dagon was a Canaanite god before Lovecraft wrote about him. Remember I used to be a Christian? I've also read "The Pseudonomicon" by Phil Hine, oh, about 2 weeks ago, where it's said that Cthulhu's image is similar to the demonized form of Typhon. And I'm also aware that Yig is Quetzacoatl. It's implied in Tyson's Necronomicon along with Lovecraft and Bishop's "The Curse of Yig." Lately, I've been considering that the Xtian version of Satan (lol I kinda sound like a JoS member right there saying "Xtian") may be one of Nyarlathotep's many avatars. Would make sense due to HPL's stories on Him along with the things written of in Tyson's Necronomicon. Then again, the Xtian concept of Satan may have been plagiarized from Norse mythology. I'm gonna have to research some of those names. I know something of Hecate, I know a bit on Pan, I sorta know of Dionysus (wasn't Dionysus the god in True Blood?), Quetzacoatl, Damballah I've only heard of from the Child's Play series and Tyson's books, Set I know of having been fascinated by ancient Egyptian mythology 7 or so years ago, and Typhon I only know of from Kenneth Grant's sect, "The Pseudonomicon," and from the song "Black Dragon" by Dissection. Dionysus was on True Blood, yes. Although, I can't remember it clearly enough to comment on how accurate their representation of him was. Greek god of wine, dancing, madness, sex. All the fun stuff, really. His rites often included the tearing apart of a live sacrifice which was then devoured raw by his followers. Fun fun fun Damballah is central to Vodou. Another relation to Yig that should be considered is the Rainbow Serpent of Australian aboriginal mythology. He is the main deity of their belief system, which is difficult to find an accurate source on, and came to or created Earth in what is referred to (interestingly enough) as the "Dream Time". So I wouldn't surpass looking into that, if I were you. And one I didn't mention earlier, who could be equated with Tsathoggua, is Tantalus Look into him too. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu fhtagn!
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Post by matthaeus on Mar 21, 2011 20:53:54 GMT -6
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Post by nephrenka on Mar 23, 2011 3:53:23 GMT -6
Also, You may want to look into Eshu, as he could probably be used in place of Nyarlathotep as well. Or even as a guide in the dream world, which of course tied to all sorts of Lovecraftian energies.
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