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Post by hartnell on Sept 1, 2010 21:54:29 GMT -6
Any topic. Start it, hoss.
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Post by ophvedius on Sept 2, 2010 10:18:57 GMT -6
Oh, I can't wait for this...thank you baby Jebus!
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Post by hartnell on Sept 2, 2010 11:37:05 GMT -6
Hey, oph, how's it going?
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 2, 2010 11:44:57 GMT -6
I'll give us a few options, feel free to take your pick...
1. realism versus impressionism/expressionism
2. religion versus spirituality
3. order versus chaos
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by hartnell on Sept 2, 2010 11:50:34 GMT -6
3. Order vs. Chaos is a false dichotomy. It takes an ordered system to recognize chaos. However, if chaos is really chaos, how could such an ordered system recognize it? If something is predictable according to any kind of basic law such as physics, then it's ordered, no matter how chaotic it may seem. Chaos is more an expression of an ordered system's inability to understand what it sees than any kind of true 'chaos'.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 3, 2010 18:03:29 GMT -6
3. Order vs. Chaos is a false dichotomy. It takes an ordered system to recognize chaos. However, if chaos is really chaos, how could such an ordered system recognize it? If something is predictable according to any kind of basic law such as physics, then it's ordered, no matter how chaotic it may seem. Chaos is more an expression of an ordered system's inability to understand what it sees than any kind of true 'chaos'. If that is true, then couldn't one potentially claim that all dichotomies are false?
Taking a more objective perspective, all things are relative and can be seen with more or less duality depending on how a thing is observed at any point. Usually, I like to employ, or at least recognize the existence of, a trichotomy. That way one always has the "third side" to fall back on. And it fits nicely with the Fourth Way, everything is subject to the three forces of positive, negative, and neutral or reconciling.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by hartnell on Sept 3, 2010 23:18:19 GMT -6
Not once did you use the words order or chaos.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 3, 2010 23:34:12 GMT -6
Not once did you use the words order or chaos. I know. Clever, eh? Why, sometimes I amaze even myself. Please, don't make a big deal. It was nothing... all in the wrist, you know. I'm just honored to be part of the discussion process. Carry on!
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by hartnell on Sept 3, 2010 23:43:06 GMT -6
Very well. What's something we disagree on?
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 4, 2010 17:22:50 GMT -6
Very well. What's something we disagree on? I don't know... I'm sure something will come up. In the meantime, how do you propose we tear down this reality while putting up our own?
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by hartnell on Sept 4, 2010 22:16:06 GMT -6
You'd have to lie to yourself. In fact, what you just said is the very definition of self-deceit.
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Post by hartnell on Sept 6, 2010 17:58:35 GMT -6
I'll put it this way. Let's duel.
You can throw fireballs from your hands and I'll use an automatic pistol.
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Post by I AM the Way on Sept 8, 2010 17:21:27 GMT -6
I'll put it this way. Let's duel. You can throw fireballs from your hands and I'll use an automatic pistol. Almost feels like I'm too busy to duel or spar these days, which is a weird thing to say because that's pretty much all I did up until 6 months ago.
Nevertheless, if you post something I find interesting but disagree with, there will be a reply from yours truly.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
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Post by formallyknownasczhanjeem on Nov 15, 2010 19:34:21 GMT -6
"The fool who challenges the god(s), shall be struck down" you will find yourself at insermountable odds against our lord satanis.......heathen. Hail Satanis
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on May 6, 2011 18:52:43 GMT -6
3. Order vs. Chaos is a false dichotomy. It takes an ordered system to recognize chaos. However, if chaos is really chaos, how could such an ordered system recognize it? If something is predictable according to any kind of basic law such as physics, then it's ordered, no matter how chaotic it may seem. Chaos is more an expression of an ordered system's inability to understand what it sees than any kind of true 'chaos'. If that is true, then couldn't one potentially claim that all dichotomies are false?
Taking a more objective perspective, all things are relative and can be seen with more or less duality depending on how a thing is observed at any point. Usually, I like to employ, or at least recognize the existence of, a trichotomy. That way one always has the "third side" to fall back on. And it fits nicely with the Fourth Way, everything is subject to the three forces of positive, negative, and neutral or reconciling.
Awake!
Venger As'Nas Satanis High Priest Cult of Cthulhu
Ah but we must take the Uncertianity Principle in to consideration,that the very act of observing an experiment changes the outcome
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Post by Cain Da'arnesh on May 7, 2011 0:14:47 GMT -6
I've always felt that order and chaos were totally subjective and in fact don't really exist, thermodynamics aside. The first law of thermodynamics states that things will fall from a state of order to chaos naturally. Yet Neitzche argues that order comes out of chaos. Thus I feel it is totally subjective and really dependent on whom you ask.
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Post by sin on May 7, 2011 9:46:53 GMT -6
I had a similar circular argument with a friend of mine, which ended with 'Everything is Relative'.
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Post by Timotheus Prophet of Darkness on May 7, 2011 10:48:26 GMT -6
I had a similar circular argument with a friend of mine, which ended with 'Everything is Relative'. Ah the Classic answer to a circular argument! ;D
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