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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Jul 13, 2008 0:42:11 GMT -6
My primary motive for making this was the idea interrelation between the sephiroth, and the formless black essence; if there is one or how it could be found. Also the relations between the formless black essence and the bible For those who don't know the sephiroth is the tree of life, from the Semitic religions. It was developed as a way of unlocking the deeper meaning/s of the Torah. Below is an image. The top Sephira(Kether), is a representation of god, the divine creator, Jehovah etc. The bottom Sephira (Malkuth)is the universe. The principal i gleam from this is the bible not being a literal context, but rather being poetic in representation of true meaning and to a lesser extent event. This non literal translation's application to the earlier parts of the bible is not unusual, but when following through with the idea into the rest of the bible, and even parts of the new testament. Semitic religions become very pagan. eg. one concept is the three wise men(Mathew 2.9-10) following the star, is not literal, but refers to three smaller stars which are aligned behind the star, and when the night goes buy they appear to move behind it, hence the three wise men following the star. Further more the gifts they brang, being representations of the gifts of the season, or change of the solstice. OK, back to point Formless black essence(FBE) Do you(anyone) think that the FBE is apart of the sephiroth, excluded from it, above it, beside, in control of it, completely unrelated etc.? I think that the FBE is not unrelated, however is it is the darker equivalent/ opposite to another power above the Torah, or kether, that controls the sphiroth. Kether is is considered the the roots of the tree of life. Well this power is the planet it grows on. The FBE is its opposite. Shaz'rahjeem
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Jan 15, 2009 22:06:24 GMT -6
FBE may be apart of the inverted sephiroth as well. Michael Ford has some great books on the topic.
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Post by amble on Mar 15, 2009 6:40:36 GMT -6
there is an idea held by some that there is an 11th sephiroth named Da'ath. It's place is in the square between 2, 3, 4 and 5. The very fact that it looks like something should be there, but isn't is where the idea comes from. Essentially that it exists because it doesn't. It is said to symbolise the end, the void, the nothing from which all emerges and returns. It would make sense that this could symbolise the formless black essence, if one were to be found on the tree of life at all. Here's a couple of links i've found about it. a general article about the tree, with a section specifically on da'ath www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/sefirot.htmlObligatory wikipedia article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27at_(Kabbalah)i can't find it at the moment, but Crowley also wrote about it. I know i have it in a book somewhere. I shall chase it up for you.
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Post by sin on Mar 16, 2009 13:06:53 GMT -6
Have you ever worked with the Satanic version? Once you get the concept down, you can literally remove all previous symbols for each of the sephirah and replace it with CoC symbolism - that would be an interesting rendition.
Is there a mythos Tree of Life to your knowledge?
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Mar 16, 2009 13:26:11 GMT -6
Have you ever worked with the Satanic version? Once you get the concept down, you can literally remove all previous symbols for each of the sephirah and replace it with CoC symbolism - that would be an interesting rendition. Is there a mythos Tree of Life to your knowledge? damn it seems like i seen one before!
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Mar 16, 2009 13:53:58 GMT -6
there is an idea held by some that there is an 11th sephiroth named Da'ath. It's place is in the square between 2, 3, 4 and 5. The very fact that it looks like something should be there, but isn't is where the idea comes from. Essentially that it exists because it doesn't. It is said to symbolise the end, the void, the nothing from which all emerges and returns. It would make sense that this could symbolise the formless black essence, if one were to be found on the tree of life at all. Here's a couple of links i've found about it. a general article about the tree, with a section specifically on da'ath www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/scripts/sefirot.htmlObligatory wikipedia article. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Da%27at_(Kabbalah)i can't find it at the moment, but Crowley also wrote about it. I know i have it in a book somewhere. I shall chase it up for you. Off topic, but here is some interesting things I found out by visiting various links on the first website posted.. "Azathoth is said to be derived from Asa-thoth. The Rites of the Gods states that Asa translates as 'source' from ancient Egyptian and Thoth (Tehut) is of course the popular god name. Asa is an alternate name of Thoth....(He is considered the "source" because of his association with the beginning of time). Ausaa-Thoth or Aasaa-Thoth is translated as the intelligence of Thoth." "Cthulhu is very close to the Arabic word Khadhulu (also spelled al qhadhulu). Khadhulu (al qhadhulu) is translated as 'Forsaker' or 'Abandoner'. Many Sufis and Muqarribun writings make use of this term (Abandoner). In Sufi and Muqarribun writings 'abandoner' refers to the power that fuels the practices of Tajrid 'outward detachment' and Tafrid 'interior solitude'." - Parker Ryan, "Necronomicon Info Source" "Mankind, Shaitan is Khadhulu." - Quran 25:29 "By the time Mohammad was writing Shaitan was being called 'the Old Serpent (dragon)' and 'the Lord of the Abyss'. The Old Serpent or Old Dragon is, according to experts such as E.A. Budge and S.N. Kramer, Leviathan [Hebrew]. Leviathan is Lotan [Canaanite]. Lotan traces to Tietan. Tietan, we are told by the authorities on Near Easern mythology is a later form of Tiamat. According to the experts the Dragon of the Abyss called Shaitan is the same Dragon of the Agyss named Tiamat." - Parker Ryan , "Necronomicon Info Source" "The dragon is an abandoner for he leaves all that is sacred. The dragon goes here and there without pause." - The Book of Annihilation (an Arabic text on magick) One of the titles of the Dragon is Lord of the Abyss. "The title Lord of the Abyss translated into Sumerian is 'Kutulu'. Kutu means 'Underworld' or 'Abyss' and Lu is Sumerian for 'Lord' or 'Person of importance'.... Indeed the ruler of the Abyss (kutu) in Sumeria was the Old Dragon Mumu-Tiamat." - Parker Ryan "Necronomicon Info Source" "Khadhulu is the Arabic word meaning 'abandoner' or 'forsaker'...Khadhulu is a type of spiritual force that powers the practices of Tafrid and Tajrid. These are exercises that are used to transcend (abandon) normal cultural programming. The idea is that by transcending (abandoning) Dogma and fixed beliefs a person can see reality as it is. Khadhulu is stimulated by the Nafs (breath or soul.) The stimulated 'abandoner' then causes the Hal or spiritual state. Khadhulu appears in the Quran (25:29)...The verse translates as 'Mankind, Shaitan is al khadhulu'. They have explained two orthodox interpretations of this verse to me the first is that Shaitan will abandon man. The other is that Shaitan causes men to forsake Islam and its culture. You'll note that this second interpretation is fairly consistent with the spiritual meaning the ancient Muqarribun give Khadhulu . (Obviously an orthodox Muslim would think Muqarribun practices Sinful.) This verse in the Quran is important because it links the 'abandoner' Khadhulu with Shaitan the Old Dragon, Lord af the Abyss." - Parker Ryan, "The Necronomicon and Ancient Arab Magick" And something on the Assassins www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/assassins.html
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Post by sin on Mar 17, 2009 8:06:35 GMT -6
Have you ever worked with the Satanic version? Once you get the concept down, you can literally remove all previous symbols for each of the sephirah and replace it with CoC symbolism - that would be an interesting rendition. Is there a mythos Tree of Life to your knowledge? damn it seems like i seen one before! I think it could be something we could work on, and publish in the newsletter eh?
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Post by sin on Mar 17, 2009 8:44:48 GMT -6
"A fundamental premise of the Kabbalistic model of reality is that there is a pure, primal, and undefinable state of consciousness which manifests as an interaction between force and form." Source: www.spiralnature.com/magick/kabbalah/treeoflife.htmlI think it's important to use the 'map' as you see fit, and not be pinned by 'fundamentals'. The Satanic version not only renames each sphere, but assigns new pillars as well. I don't see why this can't be done to create a Cthulian version. I've always looked at the tree as a design map - which includes hidden passages. If you are standing, there is a mirror dark tree below - dormant....sleeping. The upper tree, the portion in the open can be utilized and correlated to the Fourth Way, while the lower tree can be something we strive to awaken within us. From time to time you exist below, in between and above - the goal, is the dissolve these divisions (Hermetics).
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Post by sin on Mar 17, 2009 8:51:32 GMT -6
I did a search for an existing rendition and found this: Haunter of the Dark: And Other Grotesque Visions www.houseofmysterioussecrets.com/product.php?productid=16210&cat=26&page= Includes: illustrations for The Haunter of the Dark and The Call of Cthulhu; thirty pages of previously unseen drawings and paintings; selections from the controversial Lord Horror series Hard Core Horror and Reverbstorm, which have been evolving Lovecraftian imagery in bold new directions; Material specially created for this volume includes illustrations for The Great Old Ones; Also new, .
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If we were to create a new rendition, I certainly wouldn't want to limit the symbolism to just the gods. There are so many symbols that can be used such as Mistatonic University, Arkham, Necronomicon, R'lyeh, etc, etc.
Each sphere/pillar would have specific symbolism. The 'pathways' traveled take on a life of their own, and the Lovecraft mythos is riddled with symbols that can be used - especially if it's focus is the Cthulhu symbolism.
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Post by sin on Mar 17, 2009 8:55:25 GMT -6
"The Qlippoth inhabit the places beyond normal time and space and are ever trying to come to the earth reality, some of the Great Old Ones were too imprisoned in parrallel universes and strive for the day 'when the stars are right' and they can walk ( or crawl ) freely upon the once sane world of Man. Certainly the likes of Kenneth Grant have tried to incorporate creatures from the Cthulhu mythos with the workings of Crowley et al, with some success I dare say." Source: www.angelfire.com/id/pazazu/intkab.html
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Post by amble on Mar 18, 2009 10:51:42 GMT -6
i found this link while i was browsing through old posts in the magickal operation forum. cocthulhu.proboards105.com/index.cgi?board=all&action=display&thread=1819i think it might be the thread that Esbara'kesh mentioned, unless he was talking about a tree of life he'd seen somewhere else. I haven't read any of it yet, but it might be worth looking at, maybe picking and choosing if we were to attempt to create our own tree based on the mythos. NB - Disregard the above. It's photocopied from other books and bundled together. I'm not sure where but i know i've read the second section of the book somewhere else, including all the diagrams and everything. i'm fairly sure it's one of the necronomicons. Although which one couldn't say for sure. I think it's the Tyson one.
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Post by Drizzle Drazzle on Apr 1, 2009 18:56:33 GMT -6
In Kenneth Grants writings..... Da'ath is the gateway to Universe B, the realm of the unmanifested, the chaotic and the qliffothic. The tree of life being a map of Universe A, Da'ath represents a hidden portal to the darkside of the tree of life, which Grant symbolises as the Qliffothic tunnels. In my own workings I have typically utilised the hendecagram (11-pointed star) to illustrate this hidden darkside of the tree. The Hendecagram is the symbol used on every album cover by the band Therion. The song writer of this band is of course a member of Drakon Rougue www.dragonrouge.net/english/general.htm, a European LHP group whose paradigm quite closely parrellels the CoC's. So yeah, lots of versions of this 'darkside of the tree' or 'tree of death'-- Michael Ford has his take, Kenneth Grant his, Drakon Rougue has theirs, Twazzled Twizzler his.....really, there are no accurate maps, when you are lost out here. That brief message exhausted what is left of my rational brain, back to fit-full dreamings...
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Apr 2, 2009 9:55:55 GMT -6
In Kenneth Grants writings..... Da'ath is the gateway to Universe B, the realm of the unmanifested, the chaotic and the qliffothic. The tree of life being a map of Universe A, Da'ath represents a hidden portal to the darkside of the tree of life, which Grant symbolises as the Qliffothic tunnels. In my own workings I have typically utilised the hendecagram (11-pointed star) to illustrate this hidden darkside of the tree. The Hendecagram is the symbol used on every album cover by the band Therion. The song writer of this band is of course a member of Drakon Rougue www.dragonrouge.net/english/general.htm, a European LHP group whose paradigm quite closely parrellels the CoC's. So yeah, lots of versions of this 'darkside of the tree' or 'tree of death'-- Michael Ford has his take, Kenneth Grant his, Drakon Rougue has theirs, Twazzled Twizzler his.....really, there are no accurate maps, when you are lost out here. That brief message exhausted what is left of my rational brain, back to fit-full dreamings... Stephanie Connolly the demonolator (go to the Demonolatryspace site on NING to get ahold of her) has a nice tree with several demons making up the spheres.
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Post by eldritchentity0 on Apr 30, 2010 13:31:18 GMT -6
About that. I believe that black formless essence you are talking about is Ain (Nothing) one of the three veils of negative existence.I believe that the Qlippoth and the Qabalah are both gateways and useful to reaching that black formless essence both a path to divinity. I was wondering the question about any person of the dark arts using the hebrew names of god and angels in their rituals and magick but I started to quickly realize "oh they only use them because the so called angels have to obey the YHVH" since it was YHVH who created them. This is why I am writing because of my realization, Lucifer or Satan traditionally as it is said told adam and eve their eyes would open and become like God, knowing "good and evil" well the magician recognizes themself as God and blasphemy false god of xianity(not the bible) , etc. So the satanic magician using such means is right in doing so!For HE HAS BECOME AS GOD MANIFESTED!
And if Kether aka God is light, then what is beyond that? the formless black essence, so no matter what there is a balance of light and darkness(Ain). Qlippoth or Qabalah it doesnt matter what matters is what is your Will.
Hail Satan! Hail the Old Ones!
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Post by Zandrazo on Jul 1, 2010 0:31:03 GMT -6
Well, you are talking about Tohu, the seven kings who died in Edom.
Hail Satanis!
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