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Post by anubis9 on Nov 5, 2009 0:49:36 GMT -6
since the CoC is an official religion now dose that mean there are going to be temples built and places for worshiping the old ones? I CAN ONLY HOPE!
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Post by Logos on Nov 14, 2009 16:17:31 GMT -6
You never know, maybe! But why need a building when you can turn your own Self into a Temple of those that dwell in the Darkness?
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Post by LostSoul on Nov 15, 2009 22:46:50 GMT -6
True...But, since there are already groves out there of fellow members...Building our own temple is the next logical step.
Perhaps somewhere in New England...Near where HPL wrote of the Old Ones...
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Post by whatsupable on Nov 16, 2009 13:50:09 GMT -6
True...But, since there are already groves out there of fellow members...Building our own temple is the next logical step. Perhaps somewhere in New England...Near where HPL wrote of the Old Ones... a Temple cost a lot of money and need people to run things i it. of course we should make plans for it but i thin maby it is a bit to early. (don't get me wrong a Temple would be asome)
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Post by thepuck on Nov 17, 2009 1:39:47 GMT -6
Temples do cost money, but there are some good ways to start small. One way is to start an occult shop, which subsidizes the temple and gives a natural place for teaching classes, holding rituals, and having discussions. It also makes it REALLY easy to make sure you have whatever supplies you need anytime you do anything. Plus you can put up whatever sigils and magick you want in the location and the browsers feed it their energy just by looking around.
Worked for me and a group of my friends in 2000, and the shop is still open, I just don't own it anymore.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 17, 2009 10:12:53 GMT -6
wow, that is a great idea! don't know if Madison, WI could support a magic shop / occult bookstore (especially one focused on the LHP). but i think i already mentioned to you, Puck, that it's been a dream of mine to own a place like that (with a basement for holding obscene rituals). i was also thinking that a bar would subsidize a temple or ritual space quite nicely. not just your average hole in the wall, dive bar but maybe a Mythos-based tiki bar or something like that. really want people? make it a bikini bar!
not sure exactly how the Cult of Cthulhu Inc. non-profit aspect of it would work though. most of the money would probably have to go back into the overhead and running of the Temple; although, you could certainly pay yourself a decent wage for operating the shop/store/bar.
or have the operation CoC related but not part of the non-profit aspect. then rake in all the gigantic profits for yourself, assuming you run the bar optimally (probably shouldn't even consider gigantic profits with an occult bookshop).
if anyone can shed more light on the subject or has other ideas, please post them here.
VS
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Post by thepuck on Nov 17, 2009 10:48:13 GMT -6
wow, that is a great idea! don't know if Madison, WI could support a magic shop / occult bookstore (especially one focused on the LHP). but i think i already mentioned to you, Puck, that it's been a dream of mine to own a place like that (with a basement for holding obscene rituals). i was also thinking that a bar would subsidize a temple or ritual space quite nicely. not just your average hole in the wall, dive bar but maybe a Mythos-based tiki bar or something like that. really want people? make it a bikini bar!
not sure exactly how the Cult of Cthulhu Inc. non-profit aspect of it would work though. most of the money would probably have to go back into the overhead and running of the Temple; although, you could certainly pay yourself a decent wage for operating the shop/store/bar.
or have the operation CoC related but not part of the non-profit aspect. then rake in all the gigantic profits for yourself, assuming you run the bar optimally (probably shouldn't even consider gigantic profits with an occult bookshop).
if anyone can shed more light on the subject or has other ideas, please post them here.
VS
A bar, I don't know. However, I do know that many Abrahamic churches/temples/mosques have religious supply stores in their churches and they are non-profit. Greek Orthodox churches also do their "Greek Festivals", which are also put on by the churches with no problem. We looked into non-profit status for the shop and decided it was more pain that it was worth, especially since we had a different idea of what "work-related expenses" looked like than the IRS probably would. One thing I would look at before even pursuing anything is how business zoning is set up in your town. When I was still a youngin in Texas, my friends and I tried to open a shop, but couldn't get the necessary permits due to a group within the city business planning committee that were the un-official delegates of the local Baptist church.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 17, 2009 21:44:59 GMT -6
The idea i had for a temple(if i where to stay in Australia for the long run) was: buy some land, anywhere accessible. Then construct a shed on it. In Australia we have a company called titan, which makes large kit sheds. The shed is self supporting, so interior walls are not difficult to make( as they do not need to be load bearing). and if need be their is plenty of open space for a hall area. I had a look at the costs of the sheds and they worked out cheaper, and depending on what you want in side, you may not have to pay contractors to do as much.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Nov 17, 2009 23:25:10 GMT -6
These are all brilliant ideas. A Lovecraftian bar would be fucking amazing - that's a truly great idea. Ideally, Venger or the CoC would indeed own the land that the Temple is on/beneath. You never know what sneaky, white-lighting wanker could come along and spoil everything! The Maori tribes (or "iwi", if we want to use the proper term) over here are reclaiming the land that the English bought off of them when they colonized NZ, and the ones who aren't overcome by monetary greed and selling the land to rich foreigners are building Marae (Maori temples... sort of) on the land for their personal iwi. Somehow reclaiming land in a like matter would be great if we could back it up I'll ask around and see what other interesting ideas I can rustle up. A temple would be amazing.
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Post by thepuck on Nov 18, 2009 0:35:49 GMT -6
These are all brilliant ideas. A Lovecraftian bar would be fucking amazing - that's a truly great idea. Ideally, Venger or the CoC would indeed own the land that the Temple is on/beneath. You never know what sneaky, white-lighting wanker could come along and spoil everything! The Maori tribes (or "iwi", if we want to use the proper term) over here are reclaiming the land that the English bought off of them when they colonized NZ, and the ones who aren't overcome by monetary greed and selling the land to rich foreigners are building Marae (Maori temples... sort of) on the land for their personal iwi. Somehow reclaiming land in a like matter would be great if we could back it up I'll ask around and see what other interesting ideas I can rustle up. A temple would be amazing. Huh...based on what? I mean, we could make an argument for early humans getting interfered with by the Ancient Ones, but wouldn't that just be, like, all the cradles of civilization? Without some serious supernatural aid we aren't going to be taking the Middle East, Pacific Islands, Egypt, various patches in South and North America, etc, any time soon in land disputes. Some of those places are Islamic theocracies and they REALLY don't want their jinn coming back en masse any time soon.
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Post by Ny'obstaresh on Nov 18, 2009 4:46:48 GMT -6
No no. You misunderstood me. It was kind of a wishful-thinking notion. I did not and do not think that it is a real possibility, hence "WOULD be great"
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Post by thepuck on Nov 18, 2009 5:47:24 GMT -6
No no. You misunderstood me. It was kind of a wishful-thinking notion. I did not and do not think that it is a real possibility, hence "WOULD be great" I got that...but people pull weird shit based on religion and get away with it all the time. Delegates from Islamic theocracies recently got the UN to go along with blocking condemnation of female genital mutilation and honor killings because they were "bashing Islam". You can argue things about religion it is very hard to argue in any other context. Hence I wanted to explore the thought. Religions get lots of special privileges...finding out what the cult is entitled to (even if it probably isn't ancient Sumeria) is a good idea. Of course, they would probably hoist us by our own petards: "Okay, sure, uh-huh...ancient alien demon-gods. Cradles of humanity. Sure. Well, if Lemuria or Atlantis or--what did you call it?--R'Lyeh pop up, we'll make sure to turn them right over. You guys have a good day, now. Yeah, 'ia ia' to you, too."
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 18, 2009 7:09:29 GMT -6
hahaha...
if R'yeh did pop up we might be able to claim religious rights to it. I don't expect it to but its a funny thought. It'd be good bragging rights though... "i told you so" type of thing. But on topic, yes religions are getting more and more control over things, Islam being the most easy target in this debate. other then in in its own countries politics, and that of the UN, its starting to effective other countries which are not predominately Muslim. I know in the UK TV. shows/ advertisements etc. are being censored or outright stopped because they some how offend the Islamic faith. Freedom of speech in private sectors, or on things like youtube, is starting to fall as well. Videos voicing an opinion against Islam are quickly flagged and disappear. Its not just Islam though thats doing this. Its becoming increasingly popular with other groups of narrow minded religious sects. Atheist activist videos, a once abundant and humorous thing have dwindled. There are infarct, groups of Christians(i assume) on youtube that follow these users and flag any video, on mass, which offends them. In an attempt to get the accounts band. A perfect example of this is 'theamazingatheist' a once hilarious and aggressive man, who after receiving so much of this has set up his own website to upload his videos.(www.freespeechvids.com)
I don't mean to plug this guy, or to harp on the youtube thing, but they are perfect examples of this global fascism that is being brought upon by this probably small, but effective, groups. They so effective because they dance around and manipulate the things in place to stop this kind of thing.
The US is pretty much the figurehead for the western world. It's constitution is pretty much the standard. And thats where all the arguing is done. I think if religions, mainly Islam, starts getting they're hand son these things, its going to spell trouble. Christians protesting Metal concerts will be thought of as the good old days. Islamic extremist won't be content to picket.
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Post by sin on Nov 18, 2009 11:25:12 GMT -6
Yeah, I'm going to open a gas station called 'R'lyeh' and make my employees wear tentacle suits.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 18, 2009 13:17:56 GMT -6
is this where i make a bad joke about mad Arabs running the show with their overpriced oil? and they say the Necronomicon was penned in blood... ha!
VS
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Post by thepuck on Nov 18, 2009 14:05:49 GMT -6
is this where i make a bad joke about mad Arabs running the show with their overpriced oil? and they say the Necronomicon was penned in blood... ha!
VS Perhaps our ancestor cult was not the Assassins but OPEC.
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Post by sin on Nov 19, 2009 8:01:51 GMT -6
is this where i make a bad joke about mad Arabs running the show with their overpriced oil? and they say the Necronomicon was penned in blood... ha!
VS See, that's what I like about you - you get me :-) Don't forget the slushies, green slushies!
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Post by LostSoul on Nov 19, 2009 12:39:17 GMT -6
I'd have to say that the store...While could be used to generate funds for the building and maintaining of the temple...The two should be seperate.
And, I don't think you can have a non-profit business like an occult shoppe, per se...
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Post by thepuck on Nov 19, 2009 15:33:44 GMT -6
I'd have to say that the store...While could be used to generate funds for the building and maintaining of the temple...The two should be seperate. And, I don't think you can have a non-profit business like an occult shoppe, per se... You can. You start a "religious community center", "church", "temple" whatever as a property of the 401c3, then the store is a "religious supply store" associated with the temple. It's all perfectly legit, most Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches have them, as do plenty of other churches. All those disgusting Christian megachurches? Many of them have stores, coffee-shops, etc inside, all non-profit. Like I said, we looked into it briefly at my shop, but decided having the government all up in our business all the time was more of a price that just paying taxes.
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Post by Thoth Respa on Nov 19, 2009 19:28:06 GMT -6
heres my 2 cents. since we are a legal religion now, why not host sermons (If you will) inside the home of yourself Venger, or someone centrally located. Then later on when you get more legalities fixed, you will be able to have benefits and other nice little touches just like you would if you had a temple.
this is the small step, have more and more people open up these little home temples, and then once recognition is made, I promise you a real temple will not be so hard after all. Oh,and stay away from Ronald French.
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Post by thepuck on Nov 19, 2009 19:32:22 GMT -6
heres my 2 cents. since we are a legal religion now, why not host sermons (If you will) inside the home of yourself Venger, or someone centrally located. Then later on when you get more legalities fixed, you will be able to have benefits and other nice little touches just like you would if you had a temple. this is the small step, have more and more people open up these little home temples, and then once recognition is made, I promise you a real temple will not be so hard after all. Oh,and stay away from Ronald French. I agree. That was Lavey's method at first, and those who are able to form grottoes are halfway there, they just need a convenient location.
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Nov 20, 2009 3:28:11 GMT -6
heres my 2 cents. since we are a legal religion now, why not host sermons (If you will) inside the home of yourself Venger, or someone centrally located. Then later on when you get more legalities fixed, you will be able to have benefits and other nice little touches just like you would if you had a temple. this is the small step, have more and more people open up these little home temples, and then once recognition is made, I promise you a real temple will not be so hard after all. Oh,and stay away from Ronald French. This is such an excellent idea!!!!
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Post by Thoth Respa on Nov 20, 2009 22:42:16 GMT -6
thank you very much.
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Post by darkseed2012 on Dec 2, 2009 13:18:58 GMT -6
You never know, maybe! But why need a building when you can turn your own Self into a Temple of those that dwell in the Darkness? I think we can use a more lasting monument to our power and a physical structure to simbolize what we are. Even if it's only one Temple built of Stone, it does say something about our power to the rest of the world. I'm looking forward to there being a place I can physically go to learn and become part of something big and do so in the way I do best, in the flesh.
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Post by LostSoul on Dec 2, 2009 19:29:40 GMT -6
I think we can use a more lasting monument to our power and a physical structure to simbolize what we are. Even if it's only one Temple built of Stone, it does say something about our power to the rest of the world. I'm looking forward to there being a place I can physically go to learn and become part of something big and do so in the way I do best, in the flesh. Agreed.
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Post by Kai'Sigth on Jan 23, 2010 14:51:24 GMT -6
You never know, maybe! But why need a building when you can turn your own Self into a Temple of those that dwell in the Darkness? I think we can use a more lasting monument to our power and a physical structure to simbolize what we are. Even if it's only one Temple built of Stone, it does say something about our power to the rest of the world. I'm looking forward to there being a place I can physically go to learn and become part of something big and do so in the way I do best, in the flesh. Something of brick and mortar would signify the will of the Cult of Cthulhu to all those on the outside. A tangible monument could do wonders for the Cult's image. These things do cost money, sadly. Awake!
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Post by Sarak G'hash on Jan 23, 2010 20:41:29 GMT -6
I think we can use a more lasting monument to our power and a physical structure to simbolize what we are. Even if it's only one Temple built of Stone, it does say something about our power to the rest of the world. I'm looking forward to there being a place I can physically go to learn and become part of something big and do so in the way I do best, in the flesh. Something of brick and mortar would signify the will of the Cult of Cthulhu to all those on the outside. A tangible monument could do wonders for the Cult's image. These things do cost money, sadly. Awake! that is what I myself am working towards. Awake!
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Post by spiraldown13 on Jun 30, 2010 14:46:00 GMT -6
Im a stone mason
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Post by whatsupable on Jul 1, 2010 11:15:34 GMT -6
as soon i am leaving my home (properly like 2 years ) i am going to make a grotto around that place.
if it is going to be very good well then we always could make a Temple.
but i think the design and the show of power isn't word the effort the only reason it should be is because if we wane get far we need to work together and share or knowledge
like the Temple could house the newsletter and every Saturday we could go lissen together to the ooze and disuse over it.
and of course the rituals could be hold here
deep in the see it lurks
drekth'ak
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Post by 10kdays on Jul 1, 2010 22:49:26 GMT -6
If we do make a temple, it must be in Providence.
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