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Post by miguelantonio on Oct 29, 2008 8:45:05 GMT -6
Good/evil are too aspects of the same reality. So the idea is to create one church for each aspect, in a way that there is comunication and cooperation (and respect) from both sides. It may sound nonsensical, but it may be interesting to see it working.
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Post by sin on Oct 29, 2008 11:48:51 GMT -6
Yeah, you're right. PaganSpace does actually have a great traffic with many different types of people there. Much friction should be possible over there, too much perhaps, lol I heard about the anti Allee propaganda a year ago or something on their radio show. I was also under the impression that they have gotten a bad wrap, as satanist usually do. Yeah, I think if you check John Allee's Myspace, he still has his COS Wrap Sheet blog up there. He details all of the events, and posts some interesting little tid-bits of info up there about Peety and the gang. The mentality 'join us or else' is bullshit. Any person has the freedom to create what ever the hell they want - independently from the COS. The whole thought process, goes against being a sovereign human being. The only reason John was under attack in the first place, is because he was doing his own thing, his way. I'll admit, some of its just plain funny and entertaining but hell - I could easily be as entertaining to people myself. I can bet people have pointed and laughed at my youtube videos, and it doesn't bother me one bit. I have entertained, in some form or another :-) I was joking the other day about being an 'Occultnik' with Randall Pike, coined by Blanche Barton because of our association with the COC. Fuck her, I embrace it. It's MISS Occultnik to you, thank you!
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Post by mothman99 on Oct 29, 2008 22:08:18 GMT -6
Ive done everything up to this point in my life independent of all groups. No OTO, COS, TOS, RHP, LHP, just my own studies and practices. I dont surrender my personal autonomy. So i cant compare this to any other groups. But i do know something of what their about, and it just seems that ritual, imagery and subjective cosmologies are the causes of all the differences between people who are all doing pretty much the same shit. I respect the CoC because Venger acknowledges the supremacy of subjectivity, and admits that he makes his own reality. I once bought Alex Greys "the Mission of Art" shit book and returned it about half way through it. He dismisses HR Giger as pointless fantasy while droning on about how Paul Klee is some sort of Kaballa mystic. His idea is for everyone to meditate on the same Buddha-Christ- white light rainbow chakra imagery and become a peaceful little lotus blossum happily sitting in a giant overpopulated concentration camp of a rotting slave planet. Fuck those people. The goal of the CoC is to help mankind "become as the Great Old Ones; free and wild and beyond good and evil, with laws and morals thrown aside and all men shouting and killing and reveling in joy."
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Post by Madguten on Oct 30, 2008 9:00:53 GMT -6
Yup, its still there, i read it yesterday night.
mothman99
I know the feeling. I havent read "the mission of art" though. And i had never heard about Paul Klee before now. I made an image search and found a lot of his work. Some great stuff, but damn, Giger is number one. The time and effort he puts into his works, Giger is a top notch artist. Anyway you look at it.
Alex Greys stuff (his art) is nice technical work too though.
IA! IA! CTHULHU FHTAGN!
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Post by mothman99 on Nov 2, 2008 21:37:19 GMT -6
Hes an awesome artist, but he not only presuming to know exactly where his art comes from, but where everyone elses art comes from, and he cant know that. He tries to say art is only "valid" if it conforms to certain spiritual "realities." His mind would melt if he saw the terrible possibilities. Does my art come from inside me, or from outside? From Ancient forces? There is no answering this in a logical way. The only answer i would give is that all 3 are intertwined and at the same time meaningless concepts, as they are ultimately unexplainable...All language and philosophy ultimately crumble when analyzed; thats why subjective personal experience is the only reality one can trust.
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Post by amble on Nov 6, 2008 22:03:58 GMT -6
Answers...
1. What is the ultimate goal of the COC? To devour all things and create perfections in all forms.
2. What makes the COC unique? It holds a fascination that other groups seem to lack. Perhaps it has to do with it being based on a modern day mythology that still invokes awe and fear, as opposed to others that are effectively bastardized versions of previous religions. Everyone needs stories and characters, some people are happy with the generic, some feel the need for something more than that. The CoC provides it.
3. What contributions does the COC make in human development? The Cult offers power back into the hands of men and women, if they are willing to accept the enormous responsibility that power holds. There are so many different reasons why people aren't making the most of themselves and their abilities and the CoC gives some of them a glimpse behind the black curtain, and offers a tentacle to those who want to see what else is back there.
4. Is a 'cult', and 'cult theologies essential in seeing its goal manifest? Yes and no. No in the sense that it has been said and requested many times that we should try and attract people who will perhaps find the group beneficial, and in doing so we would be, i suppose, taking part in attempting to awaken as many people as possible. Which would still be possible with a different name, different theologies etc. And Yes in that the CoC by it's very nature must be made up of select individuals. But rather than select them, it is they who select the Cult. There are hooks to catch people interested in Lovecraft, Satanism, The fourth way, Magick, or those that are simply drawn to the darker aspect, whether in art, writing, music etc. Not all of them will bite, but those that do, will truly latch on. And those that are squeamish/disgusted/apprehensive/stupid will get hung up on the colour of the door and not even get inside. The Cult itself has built in defence mechanisms, but they only operate in the minds of those who are not welcome in the first place. The name Cult Of Cthulhu itself is enough to put most of them off
5. In what regard is Venger Satanis, a 'cult' leader? In the same regard that Jesus was a cult leader.
6. In what regard are you a follower? You are a follower aren't you? Isn't that what cult leaders do? Lead followers? There is a difference between leading, and leading followers. A high priority is placed upon thinking for yourself and behaving according to your own ethics and morality. It is an odd situation in that we are one group, yet we are all working individually also. We are all leaders, if we so choose. But first we have to learn to lead ourselves.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 7, 2008 11:58:15 GMT -6
not only do i want to say, "thanks" for getting this thread back on track, but i also have to tell you how impressive your answers were. yeah, i'm kind of blown away here.
if anyone wants to use her answers as a guide, or even quote him verbatim, then i definitely approve.
Ia Ia Amble!
VS
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Post by amble on Nov 7, 2008 13:43:58 GMT -6
not to nitpick or anything. but i'm a he.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 7, 2008 14:28:55 GMT -6
haha, sorry about that. i've been recently corresponding with a girl named Amber on myspace and i assumed you two were the same person.
i'll make that correction immediately.
VS
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Post by sin on Nov 21, 2008 9:48:52 GMT -6
VS is the modern day Jesus? Oh boy, there goes the neighborhood ;-)
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Post by sin on Nov 21, 2008 9:51:16 GMT -6
Answers... 1. What is the ultimate goal of the COC? To devour all things and create perfections in all forms. I'm Mr. Pushy news guy, and I'm asking you to break this down in practical application. When you say, 'devour all things' what do you mean by that, and how can that be applied in reality?
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Nov 22, 2008 0:57:20 GMT -6
Answers... 1. What is the ultimate goal of the COC? To devour all things and create perfections in all forms. I'm Mr. Pushy news guy, and I'm asking you to break this down in practical application. When you say, 'devour all things' what do you mean by that, and how can that be applied in reality? yeah that answer was really murky. i also request that you explain yourself on that one, just how does one go about "devouring all things", what is the meant by "creating perfection" and how does one "perfect" "all forms"? EDIT: and, if and when all things are devoured, what forms are even left to perfect? lol.
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Post by sin on Dec 2, 2008 13:19:11 GMT -6
I'm Mr. Pushy news guy, and I'm asking you to break this down in practical application. When you say, 'devour all things' what do you mean by that, and how can that be applied in reality? yeah that answer was really murky. i also request that you explain yourself on that one, just how does one go about "devouring all things", what is the meant by "creating perfection" and how does one "perfect" "all forms"? EDIT: and, if and when all things are devoured, what forms are even left to perfect? lol. {crickets}
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Apr 15, 2009 23:29:26 GMT -6
Conquering the Vatican and converting St. Peter's Basilica into a dark Temple of the Old Ones. Melting all that gold into one enormous statue of Cthulhu! Accessing the forbidden library!
Anybody who's visited the place knows I'm right! Imagine all that marble blackened with soot & sacrificial blood and hearing thousands of Cultists chanting IA IA CTHULHU FHTAGN in the main hall of St. Peter's...
I bet Venger would like to live in the Apostolic Palace too. Might need redecorating though.
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Apr 16, 2009 3:17:29 GMT -6
If there is one thing i have dreamed of for many years its converting a traditional Gothic style church or catholic church into a dark palace of sacrifice, torture and bilious slime. Unfortunately most people frown upon it, they just don't have the visionary delight that is beheld by the dark. Protestant churches are so... boring and modern design. Like libraries, they should all be Gothic building, with huge labyrinths of books.... one can dream though
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Apr 16, 2009 3:19:58 GMT -6
venger... we should convert a welthy type person. So they can invest great some of money for our cause, and build such structures. Or better yet, lets capture some tiny african country, i mean they're pretty unstable shouldn't be to hard...
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Post by Yahn'ikthorn on Apr 16, 2009 4:12:20 GMT -6
Agreed, protestant churches are ugly and dull. Could be cheaper to buy / easier to conquer than ancient cathedrals though, and be converted into pretty nice Cthonic temples with a little work.
The best option would of course be to get a proper architect to join the Cult (if there already isn't one) and start designing our own temple, which Venger or somebody already has done of course. All we need is money, which the world is full of, and if we just make an effort & be smart we could easily have a place of worship of our own by 2012.
Maybe there should be a general European grotto for organising the construction of such a place somewhere in the E.U?
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Post by sin on Apr 16, 2009 12:12:45 GMT -6
not only do i want to say, "thanks" for getting this thread back on track, but i also have to tell you how impressive your answers were. yeah, i'm kind of blown away here.
if anyone wants to use her answers as a guide, or even quote him verbatim, then i definitely approve.
Ia Ia Amble!
VS What do you think about publishing an official 'Goal' in the Newsletter, its worth examining by the readership.
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 16, 2009 18:55:01 GMT -6
sounds good to me.
VS
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Post by sin on Apr 17, 2009 13:42:09 GMT -6
Did you want me to form them based on this thread, using that post you liked so much or did you want to cultivate something?
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 17, 2009 17:02:55 GMT -6
i just thought of something...
about 75% of your issue could be a report of the Cthulhu 2 Convention in a couple weeks. maybe a cliff-notes version of the various presentations. and anyone else that attends C2C could write their take down and submit it to you.
maybe i should have posted this in the Green Trapezoid thread, but oh well. regarding format, Thamiel, that's still somewhat flexible and up in the air. looks like the CoC site part II will be a work in progress for some time, so maybe some blog software or create a PDF with lulu and offer it for free?
what should our time-table be? has a date been picked out? May Eve is fast approaching, so maybe early Summer?
VS
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Post by I AM the Way on Apr 18, 2009 9:49:09 GMT -6
haha, yes!
VS
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Apr 18, 2009 20:55:21 GMT -6
R'lyeh manifesting within the internet!
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Post by sin on Apr 24, 2009 7:05:35 GMT -6
i just thought of something...
about 75% of your issue could be a report of the Cthulhu 2 Convention in a couple weeks. maybe a cliff-notes version of the various presentations. and anyone else that attends C2C could write their take down and submit it to you.
maybe i should have posted this in the Green Trapezoid thread, but oh well. regarding format, Thamiel, that's still somewhat flexible and up in the air. looks like the CoC site part II will be a work in progress for some time, so maybe some blog software or create a PDF with lulu and offer it for free?
what should our time-table be? has a date been picked out? May Eve is fast approaching, so maybe early Summer?
VS I've already decided to push the issue to June (because we are quite frankly out of time for a May edition) so most def - we could highlight the convention. The issue would be riddled with what the COC is about, show convention highlights and it may attract more members.
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Post by sin on Apr 29, 2009 13:30:35 GMT -6
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Post by glade on Apr 30, 2009 8:32:32 GMT -6
I applied to be a member of the yahoo group. I'm looking forward to viewing the rough draft.
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Post by sin on Apr 30, 2009 8:55:12 GMT -6
Your membership is approved. Please add any commentary to the yahoo group.
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Post by glade on May 1, 2009 11:52:14 GMT -6
Thanks for the approval. I will certainly add commentary. You work is appreciated and enlightening.
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Post by cthulhuist09 on May 9, 2009 13:10:23 GMT -6
I refer to my self as a Cthulhuist Warlock, "Hail Cthulhu!"
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Post by cthulhuist09 on May 9, 2009 13:13:59 GMT -6
a Cthulhuist is one that peaches a Cthulhuic Gnosis or some times refered as Shadow Gnosis
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