Reality The Act Of Creating Ones Own Self

[eurusra]

for me i believe reality to be the action that truly creates who we are,i believe there are many realities that exist both inner and outter dimensional

from my point of view i believe in stepping away from any boundaries that any society tries to place upon us,we are all individuals and for that reason need to think individualy in a sence,i have always believed that what is reality for one may not be reality for another,just like what is not real for another in turn is real for the other and who are we,who are they to knock anyone for having an individualized reality

what are your thoughts on creating your own reality

[10kdays]

I've been in the process of doing so, and it is impossible to go back to Generally Accepted Reality afterwards. You see things in a way that makes sense to you and you alone, similar to insanity except for the fact that it is voluntary. Creating one's own reality also gives a sense of absolute freedom from the sanctions and rules of a mentally stunted society, as you realize just how absurd so much of it actually is.

[Sarak G'hash]

Mar 18, 2010 9:18:18 GMT -6 @10kdays said:

I've been in the process of doing so, and it is impossible to go back to Generally Accepted Reality afterwards. You see things in a way that makes sense to you and you alone, similar to insanity except for the fact that it is voluntary. Creating one's own reality also gives a sense of absolute freedom from the sanctions and rules of a mentally stunted society, as you realize just how absurd so much of it actually is.

Thank you so much for this verification!!

Awake!

[beastx]

Mar 18, 2010 9:18:18 GMT -6 @10kdays said:

I've been in the process of doing so, and it is impossible to go back to Generally Accepted Reality afterwards. You see things in a way that makes sense to you and you alone, similar to insanity except for the fact that it is voluntary. Creating one's own reality also gives a sense of absolute freedom from the sanctions and rules of a mentally stunted society, as you realize just how absurd so much of it actually is.

Lhep'syk-Ka,

What methods are you using to achieve this? Did you come back to give us a guiding hand? Surely it must be entirely exhausting to move between two realities. I suspect there may be some self deceit present, but perhaps I'm limited in my knowledge. As I see it the Current of General Consensus Reality is too powerful for one person alone to escape, let alone pop back and forth between. I am truly baffled at how this is possible... Please instruct me.

Awake!!

Beast Xeno
First Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu

[10kdays]

As you see it, Beast Xeno. And creating your own reality isn't some transdimensional travel, it's altering perception to suit your needs.

[beastx]

Mar 18, 2010 14:08:49 GMT -6 @10kdays said:

As you see it, Beast Xeno. And creating your own reality isn't some transdimensional travel, it's altering perception to suit your needs.

As I see what exactly? Altering your perception is not creating a reality... It is nothing more than a new set of filters for the same reality. Trans-dimensional travel? I think you've some very skewed perspective of my last posts... Go back and really read it.

The real question here is... As Master Satanis would say "Are you working on yourself or are you just playing with yourself?"

His ichor cleanses the sin of all mankind.

Beast Xeno
First Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu

[10kdays]

Xeno, perception is reality.

let me explain further on this:
What we see and experience is nothing in itself. It's how one processes this data that defines their reality. Granted, there is a Generally Accepted Reality, but it's a viewpoint made up of hearsay instead of learning for oneself.

Oh, and to answer your question, I am not, as you say "playing with myself". I realize that I still have a long way to go before I can even consider doing the things you and Venger have achieved. This is just my way of getting to that point.

[I AM the Way]

What we see and experience is nothing in itself. It's how one processes this data that defines their reality. Granted, there is a Generally Accepted Reality, but it's a viewpoint made up of hearsay instead of learning for oneself.

Oh, and to answer your question, I am not, as you say "playing with myself". I realize that I still have a long way to go before I can even consider doing the things you and Venger have achieved. This is just my way of getting to that point.

I understand what you mean. If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say that First Priest of R'lyeh Beast Xeno wished to squash any presumptive nonsense a la James Campbell, an individual who claimed so many outlandish things without backing them up that he might have damaged the Cult's credibility if allowed to continue. Priest Xeno was merely doing his sacred duty... allowing the green flame to either burn the unworthy or cleans those befitting the title of Cthulhu Cultist.

However, you sound like you know the difference between Generally Accepted Reality and the various magical realities which a Cultist can create using the power of his beliefs. It's not easy for those responsible for the Cult's evolution to knowledgeably manage every possible aspect without incident. That means Cultists should expect to explain themselves from time to time. Thank you for doing so, Lhep'syk-Ka.

Additionally, if you have an example of a self-created reality you'd like to share with us, then I think this thread would benefit from reading about it.


Awake,

Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

[loke]

I am going further and further into my own reality. Work to not react to things as the majority of people would. Work at remaining calm, yet paying attention, and to not be disturbed by something that shouldn't. Force my self to be, in the here and now. To work at getting rid of worry, and related emotions. Isolation from herd mentality, working to perfect this constantly. Emptying the mind, yet paying attention to the self, and other things, if needed. This is changing things constantly, in my reality. An evolving work in progress, I am continually working to perfect. Must bring back the Ancient Ones.

AWAKE!!!!

[egodiabolus]

There are limits, and then there are LIMITS.

I thought I would take a moment to break away from tattooing, drawing, and putting the final touches on the next issue of the Green Trapezoid to chime in on this topic.

What I mean is, how we perceive may be fluid and manageable, but what is perceived is... unto itself.

What is "reality"? Is it really just perception? I know I have thrown that statement out there myself, but perception is indicative of a process, not a thing in and of itself. For there to be perception, there must be something which perceives and something to perceive. Perception is thus the relationship between two... well, objects is too limited of a word. I suppose the best word for it would be two "events".

You are, at the moment of preception, one event. That which you are perceiving is another. The evidence indicates that we all perceive differently; sometimes with only slight variations and sometimes with differences that are awe-inspiring. Because of this, there is no truth, thus all is permitted.

Or is there?

We could consider an "event" at a moment in time as unique; even a machine that repeats a certain motion with carefully controlled and designed precision performs this motion in different points in space with each repetition. It may not be moving beyond its little space, but the planet it is on is in motion, as is the star and the galaxy. One second the event is here, the next it is millions of miles distant. The event may be similar from one point to the next, especially the closer to the event a perceiving event happens to be (theory of relativity), but it has changed in a radical manner. Still, it retains a continuity... perhaps a unique continuity, that makes that event THE event, regardless of the perceptions of other events in observation of it.

You are who you are. You are truth.

So much of what I feel we are trying to do here involves finding truth. Perception is not reality, at least not in any significant manner, because it is only of any importance to the one perceiving (preceptions are like assholes...). Thus, we cannot seek truth in anything external, at least not yet. We can only hope to find truth within ourselves, and only after not only stripping away the lies which have been thrust upon us by the preceptions of others, but (with greater difficulty) the lies which we have embraced as ourselves in place of a truth that we deny.

We all have reasons for our denial. These do not matter. What matters, what makes us different, is that we at least acknowledge the lie of ourselves and begin to struggle toward truth.

The sleepers deny the truth and embrace the lie.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

I used to think that the way was to create a "self", to custom design a facade and force others to accept it as the "truth" of me... because once enough people embrace the lie it becomes reality, right?

What a weak-minded, gutless approach to awareness.

Truth comes through observation. As High Priest Venger Satanis continues to teach, you must observe yourself until you become void. Until all the bullshit vanishes in the eye of critical observation. Until the cataracts and blurry focus and delusional perception final sharpens into a clarity of self, the truth.

The truth is terrifying. The truth is... most people will not like what they see.

You are going to die.

You are most often just a food processor, you consume and shit.

Their system takes food-processors and gives them a function after training them to performed and brow-beating them not to resist. Part of the training has involved making certain we do it to ourselves and re-enforce it amongst our peers.

This is why awakening is not a solo-event. 6 billion+ people have been trained to force you back to sleep.

We dream of being human. We dream of being awake.

If we believe in the dream as reality, we are lost.

You have not been free since the day you were born.

Your purpose has been subverted.

Being awake means discovering truth. Once we know the truth of ourselves, and are able to accept that truth, our fragile, flawed, cruelly limited truth, then we can begin approaching the other events around us with a clearer preception. We can not be honest about reality until we have learned to be honest with ourselves.

Honestly, I used to think that I defined my reality and lived by my own terms. I was a sucker, an easy mark, bought in by my own self-satisfaction and "enlightenment". If perception is flawed, where is the courage, the honesty, the enlightenment, in accepting perception as "reality"? A child has to have things their way, and reality is often a harsh parent painfully correcting our spoiled-brat whims and tantrums.

One cannot choose to be the way they want to be. One cannot create an ideal. The choice indicates denial. If created, it is artifice. We can only choose to observe the self and accept. Once we have the truth of self, we can properly struggle against the lies that bind us. From the flawed perspective of a sleeper, it will be like we manage and warp reality itself. In truth, we will be able to recognize and participate more readily with what is. Our event will be a part of reality, not in denial of it.

Awake.

How I hope to Awake.

Ego Diabolus
Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu

[10kdays]

Hmmm... Instead of fruitlessly trying to escape the dream, dream lucidly.

Thanks for the post, Ego Diabolus. Disagreement always produces loads of new concepts to explore, whereas agreement just reiterates and recycles one man's thoughts.

Ia Ia!

[I AM the Way]

Mar 19, 2010 16:45:57 GMT -6 @egodiabolus said:

There are limits, and then there are LIMITS.

I thought I would take a moment to break away from tattooing, drawing, and putting the final touches on the next issue of the Green Trapezoid to chime in on this topic.

What I mean is, how we perceive may be fluid and manageable, but what is perceived is... unto itself.

What is "reality"? Is it really just perception? I know I have thrown that statement out there myself, but perception is indicative of a process, not a thing in and of itself. For there to be perception, there must be something which perceives and something to perceive. Perception is thus the relationship between two... well, objects is too limited of a word. I suppose the best word for it would be two "events".

You are, at the moment of preception, one event. That which you are perceiving is another. The evidence indicates that we all perceive differently; sometimes with only slight variations and sometimes with differences that are awe-inspiring. Because of this, there is no truth, thus all is permitted.

Or is there?

We could consider an "event" at a moment in time as unique; even a machine that repeats a certain motion with carefully controlled and designed precision performs this motion in different points in space with each repetition. It may not be moving beyond its little space, but the planet it is on is in motion, as is the star and the galaxy. One second the event is here, the next it is millions of miles distant. The event may be similar from one point to the next, especially the closer to the event a perceiving event happens to be (theory of relativity), but it has changed in a radical manner. Still, it retains a continuity... perhaps a unique continuity, that makes that event THE event, regardless of the perceptions of other events in observation of it.

You are who you are. You are truth.

So much of what I feel we are trying to do here involves finding truth. Perception is not reality, at least not in any significant manner, because it is only of any importance to the one perceiving (preceptions are like assholes...). Thus, we cannot seek truth in anything external, at least not yet. We can only hope to find truth within ourselves, and only after not only stripping away the lies which have been thrust upon us by the preceptions of others, but (with greater difficulty) the lies which we have embraced as ourselves in place of a truth that we deny.

We all have reasons for our denial. These do not matter. What matters, what makes us different, is that we at least acknowledge the lie of ourselves and begin to struggle toward truth.

The sleepers deny the truth and embrace the lie.

Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken.

I used to think that the way was to create a "self", to custom design a facade and force others to accept it as the "truth" of me... because once enough people embrace the lie it becomes reality, right?

What a weak-minded, gutless approach to awareness.

Truth comes through observation. As High Priest Venger Satanis continues to teach, you must observe yourself until you become void. Until all the bullshit vanishes in the eye of critical observation. Until the cataracts and blurry focus and delusional perception final sharpens into a clarity of self, the truth.

The truth is terrifying. The truth is... most people will not like what they see.

You are going to die.

You are most often just a food processor, you consume and shit.

Their system takes food-processors and gives them a function after training them to performed and brow-beating them not to resist. Part of the training has involved making certain we do it to ourselves and re-enforce it amongst our peers.

This is why awakening is not a solo-event. 6 billion+ people have been trained to force you back to sleep.

We dream of being human. We dream of being awake.

If we believe in the dream as reality, we are lost.

You have not been free since the day you were born.

Your purpose has been subverted.

Being awake means discovering truth. Once we know the truth of ourselves, and are able to accept that truth, our fragile, flawed, cruelly limited truth, then we can begin approaching the other events around us with a clearer preception. We can not be honest about reality until we have learned to be honest with ourselves.

Honestly, I used to think that I defined my reality and lived by my own terms. I was a sucker, an easy mark, bought in by my own self-satisfaction and "enlightenment". If perception is flawed, where is the courage, the honesty, the enlightenment, in accepting perception as "reality"? A child has to have things their way, and reality is often a harsh parent painfully correcting our spoiled-brat whims and tantrums.

One cannot choose to be the way they want to be. One cannot create an ideal. The choice indicates denial. If created, it is artifice. We can only choose to observe the self and accept. Once we have the truth of self, we can properly struggle against the lies that bind us. From the flawed perspective of a sleeper, it will be like we manage and warp reality itself. In truth, we will be able to recognize and participate more readily with what is. Our event will be a part of reality, not in denial of it.

Awake.

How I hope to Awake.

Ego Diabolus
Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu

This.

Disagreement always produces loads of new concepts to explore, whereas agreement just reiterates and recycles one man's thoughts.

Ia Ia!

Well said.

There are different levels or states of agreement. Mechanical agreement won't do us any good. We must share a similar perception because we consciously came to the same conclusion; or if we came to a different conclusion, then that truth must be uttered so that differing views can be reconciled.


Ia Ia Cthulhu fhtagn,

Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

[egodiabolus]

Mar 22, 2010 12:19:56 GMT -6 @10kdays said:

Hmmm... Instead of fruitlessly trying to escape the dream, dream lucidly.

Absolutely, as we know we "dream", we should strive to "dream" lucidly.

But, this is just the first step, not the goal.

Awake!

Ego Diabolus
Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu

[spider]

I will suggest that this parallels a scenario in the watchmen, where dr manhattan has his 'intrinsic field' stripped away (i.e. his soul) and reforms a new body within 3 days (also paralleling the resurrection) After which point he is able to percieve past, present, and future simultaneously, because time is the stream of relativity(or arrow of thought), where moments are given meaning, in this reality, and echoing in all of them.

And Egodiablolus, why do you say that you cannot choose an ideal, or become it? That it is artifice is true to one degree and another, but the root word there is art, which is expression and magic.

Awake!

[I AM the Way]

And Egodiablolus, why do you say that you cannot choose an ideal, or become it? That it is artifice is true to one degree and another, but the root word there is art, which is expression and magic.

This feels like a more advanced concept. Priest of R'lyeh Ego Diabolus will no doubt have his own explanation; however, I shall put in my own three cents. There are fine lines between:

transformation - wishful thinking - delusion

Illusion, glamor, and forms of lesser black magic can get you pretty far in the "fake it till you make it" area of life, but is that enough to actually evolve? Would you build your temple upon quicksand? No, so don't start off as an average dude and try to tweak yourself into becoming some kind of pretentious rock star asshole or uber magus deluxe. You might fool some machines, but you'll never be able to convince a Cultist that you're anything more than a skillful poseur.

Let the void be your foundation, for what can be more substantial than nothingness?


Awake!

Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest

[egodiabolus]

Mar 23, 2010 8:43:35 GMT -6 spider said:

And Egodiablolus, why do you say that you cannot choose an ideal, or become it? That it is artifice is true to one degree and another, but the root word there is art, which is expression and magic.

Lord Satanis statement expresses my own thinking on this point, but perhaps I can be more succinct.

You can BE your ideal self, but CHOOSING an ideal self to be is a denial of your true potential.

Magic is science. Art is application of that science. A magician will often employ artifice to achieve their ends, but those ends support the real being the magician is truly engaged in, not the illusion he uses as a front for others to be bewitched by. A magician bewitched by his own glamour is a fool.

Awake!

Ego Diabolus
Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu

[zombie]

Reality has always been what you make it. The only reason people are deemed insane or having a mental illness is because they go outside the norms of society. Some do this intentionally and are Shepard's without a flock. the other sheep that the individual rose from resent him. But occasionally the Shepard finds his flock (kinda like here)

Reality and perceptions are nothing more than electrical impulses interpreted by our synapse's and triggering the endocrine system to be interpreted.

this is why so many cultures used hallucinogenics, it forces the same chemicals in you endocrine system to push mass amounts into your blood stream and brain allowing one to see beyond the Vail. "The point of drugs is to alter your perception and figure out how to get back there on your own" M.J. Keenan.

Through meditation, psychological shock, or drugs we can train our bodies to manipulate the endocrine system. This is a vary old concept. It was traced back to the first civilizations. Used hevaly in eastern monks.

Once you have obtained a new reality there will be moments of sensory overload as your like a baby being born new, they have done studies with meditation to find that p.k. abilities in normal humans spike, but this is only temporary. and we almost always return. This is where the ideas of meditating and karma play in until you reach a state of nirvana, or Permanent "reality realignment" these people are held in regards of the highest standards i.e. the Dhali Lama.

I have never heard of fusing Tibetan Philosophy with black magic however but with the principles of chakra's and Light AND dark it could prove to be vary promising... I think I'll try it out.

[egodiabolus]

Mar 31, 2010 3:12:37 GMT -6 zombie said:

Reality has always been what you make it. The only reason people are deemed insane or having a mental illness is because they go outside the norms of society.

Going outside the norms of society is not the only reason for mental illness. We must take care to distinguish differences in perspective and mental function from actual diseases and bio-chemical imbalance.

Frankly, I feel that there really is no "normal", rather just a transitional set of parameters of what is considered acceptable by a particular culture and era.

Mar 31, 2010 3:12:37 GMT -6 zombie said:

Reality and perceptions are nothing more than electrical impulses interpreted by our synapse's and triggering the endocrine system to be interpreted.

Thank you, Morpheus (I apologize, I could not help myself). The reality you refer to should be distinguished as "subjective reality" which is defined by the manner with which an observer interprets something that is observed. "Objective reality" would be the source of stimulation that initiated those electrical impulses for interpretation and the endocrine system which experiences it. Even if the interpretation of those stimuli are wildly different or incomplete, the source of the stimulus is not less distinctly real.

Mar 31, 2010 3:12:37 GMT -6 zombie said:

this is why so many cultures used hallucinogenics, it forces the same chemicals in you endocrine system to push mass amounts into your blood stream and brain allowing one to see beyond the Vail. "The point of drugs is to alter your perception and figure out how to get back there on your own" M.J. Keenan.

Through meditation, psychological shock, or drugs we can train our bodies to manipulate the endocrine system. This is a vary old concept. It was traced back to the first civilizations. Used hevaly in eastern monks.

These are techniques for altering perceptions and revealing potentially hidden truths about reality, but not alteration of reality itself.

Mar 31, 2010 3:12:37 GMT -6 zombie said:

Once you have obtained a new reality there will be moments of sensory overload as your like a baby being born new, they have done studies with meditation to find that p.k. abilities in normal humans spike, but this is only temporary. and we almost always return. This is where the ideas of meditating and karma play in until you reach a state of nirvana, or Permanent "reality realignment" these people are held in regards of the highest standards i.e. the Dhali Lama.

I have never heard of fusing Tibetan Philosophy with black magic however but with the principles of chakra's and Light AND dark it could prove to be vary promising... I think I'll try it out.

Through the Work, it seems that these abilities, which may be natural aspects of our potential, could become apparent in Awakened beings, and in a manner that is consistent. Shifting perspective allows us to see the potentials of reality that are denied us by our artificial programming. I lean toward the opinion that reality is absolute, while perspective is subjective, and it is this subjectivity that we are trying to break free from.

Ia Ia Cthulhu Fhtagn!

Ego Diabolus
Priest of R'lyeh
Cult of Cthulhu