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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 12, 2008 18:01:55 GMT -6
yes brothers and sisters, the world is against us.
most people don't know that and even the ones who hear my words have trouble understanding. any action that moves us toward liberation, empowerment, and evolution is against nature, almost seems to be against life itself. the world would have us slopping around like pigs, fighting with each other, ignorant as possible, weak, unable to see the big picture, and accumulating numbers which correspond to green pieces of paper which are supposed to correspond to a gold colored substance mined from the earth hundreds of years ago...
without taking an active part in our development, the world keeps us in our place. every moment, we have the ability to struggle against the universe. take it. fight. Awaken!
who amongst you has been set upon by obstacles when trying to improve your life? if you want, set it down here. remember how precarious your position is. we all sleep on a precipice.
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 12, 2008 19:19:38 GMT -6
My main hinderences are those of money, age, and location.
The problem of money comes and goes
Age will come with time
Location wil be changed eventually, but will be stopped by money and age.
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Post by B'Lahk'Neeth on Oct 12, 2008 22:04:47 GMT -6
accumulating numbers which correspond to green pieces of paper which are supposed to correspond to a gold colored substance mined from the earth hundreds of years ago...
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
the federal reserve abolished the gold standard at its creation. behind the central banks of the world is the true illuminati. they do want us dumb. you've seen my rants about this, im sure. my obstacles... *money (of fucking course, they wouldnt have it any other way, would they?) *need further studies in the 4th way (cant "do" if im still asleep) *identifying (need to learn how to stop the troubles of this world from making me live in my own head) given time and the Cult and all of your help, we'll all rise above this shit |
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 12, 2008 22:05:07 GMT -6
i hear you.
the more i look at my own obstacles, the more i realize that it's not the obstacles but the world itself that's the problem. as long as we live, we will never be totally free of suffering. money, age, etc. are the symptoms and the world is the disease. i'm saying treat the disease and the symptoms will take care of themselves.
problems will always be there, doesn't matter how rich you are, how old, where you are, who your with, or anything like that. we can move around the obstacles, but isn't it our perception that really needs to change? don't we have the power to ease our own suffering?
permutations of the illusion will always shift; permanent I is real. remember this the next time something complicates your life further. Awaken!
VS
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 12, 2008 22:42:33 GMT -6
The 4th angle can help.... I think its the fourth, i know its orange. I have used this in spellcraft many times. It seems to work quite well.
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Post by saxo on Oct 14, 2008 15:00:51 GMT -6
Oohhh Space and fear are huge problems in my life ¬¬
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Post by sin on Oct 20, 2008 12:40:44 GMT -6
don't we have the power to ease our own suffering?
VS We have limited will, so we have limited power. We don't have complete free-will, because all the decisions we make, and actions we take are based on influence. Influence of our past, and influence by outside stimulation (society, culture, etc.). In example, one person can not change currency, or the economy but united - change 'can' come. The reality is, not everyone wants the same things, or are ambitious enough to fight for what they do want. I could say finances are an obstacle I fight to overcome every day. I work a 9-5, I have a limited income from that 9-5. I 'create' income with my ambition. I have side-gigs that make me more on the weekends, than I make in an entire week at my 9-5. I sell my art, but it takes money to obtain the supplies to 'create'; because let's face it - you can't make something from nothing. My perception of my financial state changes, but it takes a lot of work on my part. Does this reduce my suffering? No, not really. I have to put in the time and do the work. I may be relieved financially, but the physicality of it all, increases my suffering. I have some room to breathe because I've increased my income, but it takes its toll on my body, and sometimes my state of mind. I enjoy the creation process, but it becomes 'work' when I share my creations with the world, for cash. I got home from an event on Sunday at 6, passed out at 7pm. I was wiped from the weekend. I think personal power is better demonstrated in numbers. If a small group hell-bent on the same goal works together, you can influence culture, you can influence change. Another reality is, why should future generations benefit from all of that group's hard work? What if 'change' attributed to that group comes, but long after their dead? It happens, and often. We suffer, because we're never satisfied. It is our nature. |
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Post by fahy92 on Oct 22, 2008 20:05:52 GMT -6
Some kid in my class was comparing the Cult of Cthulhu to a Cult of The Grateful Dead...
The Cult of the Grateful Dead believed that Jerry Garcia was God, and Bob Weir was the Devil, and that at every concert, it was a battle between the two...
He said that the only religion he heard about that is stranger than that was The Cult of Cthulhu.
It pisses me off how fucking ignorant some people can be. It's getting harder and harder to be accepting of some people who think that The CoC is just about Satanism, and worshipping the devil (even though that doesn't make sense because its the cult of cthulhu...wtf)
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Post by I AM the Way on Oct 22, 2008 20:46:17 GMT -6
actually, you're lucky to get that much recognition. in the early days, i would have gladly killed to get people to make the connection between Satanism and what i was doing. haha, how things change!
VS
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Post by fahy92 on Oct 23, 2008 15:48:29 GMT -6
The point I was trying to make is that this isn't ALL about Satanism.
I think also the fact that most people don't even know what Satanism is.
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Post by Madguten on Oct 23, 2008 16:54:43 GMT -6
ahhh yes, but is that not also one of the qualities of satanism.  The freedom and diversity which surrounds it. I dont know |
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Oct 23, 2008 19:10:13 GMT -6
Since Sect of Lucifer i have had nothing to do with Satan at all really.
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Post by miguelantonio on Oct 31, 2008 20:31:14 GMT -6
VS has said:
I guess that being aware, adapting to change, being positive, having a good sense of humour, being tolerant,...all these attitudes can help somehow.
Other than that, astrology can help to identify unknown problems, or Feng Shui can help with environment.
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Post by astennoth on Nov 1, 2008 3:59:24 GMT -6
My main problems are not so difficult from others : 1) Money. I get about $200 a fortnight from the government because of problem #2, but in no way does that help me. I can buy cigarettes, bus tickets and maybe a CD or some weed every couple of weeks. But that's it. 2) Asperger's Syndrome I was diagnosed with AS in March and so far it's been an uphill battle. I can't seem to come to grips with being mentally impaired. I don't know where my life is going and if I will ever be "normal"...at least normal enough to work, earn money, get married, travel and whatnot. That's all I can think of at the moment. I'll get back to you guys on this one...  |
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 1, 2008 11:12:43 GMT -6
or we could just choose not to suffer. the difficulties will not go away, but the pain, resentment, and negativity... how we feel about the difficulties are under our own control.
problems are inevitable... suffering is a choice.
VS
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Post by Madguten on Nov 2, 2008 17:14:09 GMT -6
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Post by sin on Nov 3, 2008 11:08:23 GMT -6
[/b][/color][/quote] Thank you. Finally, actual wisdom! I say this all the time, and I'm told that suffering is essential and required to exist. That we must suffer to know that we are alive. I reject that opinion. Suffering is a choice, we can choose to suffer and live a miserable existence or follow the ques of Crowley's Book of the Law, and strive for an ecstatic existence. Out of chaos, comes order. We can control our own reactions and the role we play in our own melo-dramas. Like that old saying, turning lemons into lemonade. Who knows, had things not gone awry, we may never have considered an alternate path - (decision) and the path of self discovery will always be a straight line. Pffft. How boring would that be? |
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Post by aleyus on Nov 3, 2008 14:52:33 GMT -6
I feel the world is against me somehow, the day I joined the forum, my bank card stopped working, and I got a call today asking me to visit my local branch about my account security. Taking a page from the Cthulhu Cult, I decided not to let it bother me, to not surrender that energy to the universe. After I spoke with my branch, they explained that it was just a security precaution to help protect me account. Good thing I chose not to let it get to me!
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 3, 2008 19:21:27 GMT -6
that is a beautiful example of the CoC paradigm in action. i'm very glad you shared it with us.
VS
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Post by Yevathik on Nov 4, 2008 10:27:18 GMT -6
A system of currency will never be able to eliminate poverty completely. For there to be rich, there must also be poor. If everyone was rich, the currency would de-value and there would then be no rich people at all. Therefore, money is a trap.
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 4, 2008 10:49:59 GMT -6
isn't currency larger than money? life is the trap; everything is part of the same system: want, desire, need, domination, submission, aggression, passivity, strength, weakness, negotiating, conquering, and one thing for another. there will always be powerful individuals and the less powerful majority. that's the way it's always been...
Venger As'Nas Satanis
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 6, 2008 1:46:36 GMT -6
"The world is against us"
Remember a few months back, we had a thing on youtube.com with 5 questions. One was 'Is human life rooted in suffering?If not why not?' I would have said no, and that our life is rooted in progression. However I have developed since then, personally, spiritually and the whole 4th way thing. I would agree the world is against us, and it is rooted in suffering. There are those who try to progress(us in general) and those who are neutral(the bulk of the human species), and those who are anti-productive(you all know them).
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Post by I AM the Way on Nov 6, 2008 11:09:37 GMT -6
there is a Buddhist kind of understanding to the CoC paradigm. the human experience is qualified and quantified by the brick wall that is suffering. this obstacle determines how our lives will be and what me must do to transcend.
Buddhists believe that removing desire is the thing to do. that's like giving up, isn't it? one should give up negativity, identification, and even suffering... but why in the name of Cthulhu would you give up your original desire?
in the 4th way teaching, one has to remember one's aim. what is the motivation for struggling to Awake if there's no desire?
Venger As'Nas Satanis
Cult of Cthulhu High Priest
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Post by Shaz'rahjeem on Nov 7, 2008 0:13:43 GMT -6
I think Buddhists remove desire in lue of it leading to their awakening because of political reasons. Most of the countries that Buddhism is in are under strong political control. Therefore for them to go out and preach similar to what we value, and practice would probably lead to trouble. Also their form of awakening is reincarnation, into this world, so they can easily give up the little they have, if it means they will probably be getting more next time around. Our awakening is much more of a transcendence then there is, or seems to be. Also the way you have blended magic, and the force of will into the cult is superb, it balances out notions of just giving up, and allows the embrace of things which would be unreachable even to the most successful Buddhist.
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Post by xenosapience on Dec 11, 2008 14:01:26 GMT -6
this realm opposes our every willed action. in doing so it provides the means by which we strengthen ourselves.
in the state of liberation one realizes immortality and can accomplish any thing without effort, but before one reaches that grand plateau, one must first cross the fathomless inner sea.
only through the seemingly endless & futile struggle with opposition in this world does one develop the strength of Will to cross that vast expanses of dark water which leads to that nameless place!
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Post by glade on Feb 2, 2009 11:40:51 GMT -6
I've been looked at as some kind of wierdo and I'm always challenged. I try to let it run off my back, but I do find myself getting angry. It's a challenge somedays.
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Post by egodiabolus on Feb 14, 2009 14:58:54 GMT -6
Apathy has to be my number one obstacle.
I believe that apathy is the major component to the programming that has us in this state of sleep. We are taught, as worker-consumers, not to think beyond our most immediate "needs", just as we are taught what those "needs" should be. We are to simply accept our lot, our place in the system. It is easier to just do your job, watch your television, imbibe your drug, eat your garbage, fuck your partner, spend your money are junk, scratch your ass, and go back to work. Apathy is the purpose of the system's lullabye.
I wonder, how can money be a problem? I mean...I KNOW it is a problem, but have you wondered why? How did we arrive at an 8-hour day, a 40-hour week? How did we arrive at "rent", "mortagage", "utilities", "insurance", "taxes"? What are these things? What happened to taking from nature to create a shelter, to gathering for the mutual benefit and protection of those in your tribe? What happened to simply going out and getting your food when you are hungry...catch it, kill it, and cook it?
Money is the physical representation of time and life purchased from an individual for purposes other than their own. Check this out...you work 40 hours a week. You work 52 weeks a year. If you work from when you are 18 years old to when your 72...until you die for many people, that is 54 years. That is 112320 hours worked. Let's say you squeeze out an existence at $7.00 an hour...your value to the system is $786,240.00 before taxes! Your life is worth LESS than a million dollars! I know that most of the world is populated by worthless dregs, but which one of them would actually trade their life for even a million dollars? How many of them would actually put any dollar value on their existence? And, in our system, you sell your time (life) to buy things with your time (life) created through the efforts of other slaves who have sold their time (life) to create those things. Talk about asleep! You exists in a dream in which you manufacture the dream of others, and your not even well compensated for your efforts!
Money should not be a problem; you have a choice in the matter. Running out into the woods with a tent, a bow, and some arrows probably isn't appealing to any of us in the long-term. You can, however, take steps to reduce your cost of living. Use the system against itself. You need a dwelling, not a palace. Think about your basic needs and how to meet them at minimum expense. Consume less. Your a good worker...make the things you want. Ask your self why you want the things you want. Break the chain that money represents.
Obviously, it means being less apathetic about it. It means trying to be more "awake" in regards to the issue of money. It isn't the easy way, but it is the way that places you in control.
-Ego
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Post by Xor'Nefthrahm on Feb 14, 2009 19:59:25 GMT -6
To me it seems like the sleepers are mere puppets for the universe (the christian god?).. they just seem to get in the way when I'm trying to get someplace.. like the universe is TRYING to provoke a reaction to set me back.. but I keep my cool.. and it seems to get worst the more aware I become.. my wife says "You act like the world is out to get you", it seems that way at least.
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Post by ~Faceless~ on Feb 15, 2009 10:03:30 GMT -6
My problem or fight is with the world...it seems each step forward is three steps back.
but it does not stop me its like a game and I intent to win. but at times it gets to me regardless...
basicly its all a half half deal in my life.
and Esbara'kesh your statement "You act like the world is out to get you" fits well in my life as well so I know what you mean it would seem theres always someone or something with a knife at your throat...in a manner of speaking.
makes it all very interesting I think
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Post by Zirna'ritee-sigth on Jan 22, 2010 7:41:51 GMT -6
Concerning THE SYSTEM ov 'Governments'
In the truest sense they indeed govern our existence but for all the wrong reasons. They
too are mere victims under the SYSTEM, the computer programme that enslaves us. Be aware ov its encroachment upon your lives. Humanity is bought ever more closer to become reliant upon the SYSTEM from credit card transaction, cyber banking, bio-identity to one sided views presented as debate via media.
From governments to local councils are merely forms ov debt collection agencies for the SYSTEM because even the most 'rich' and 'powerful' mortals on this planet are in fact slaves to the SYSTEM. I was born on a certain part ov this planet and into the SYSYEM I was processed so I have no freedom even to travel to another part ov the planet over seas without permission from the SYSTEM via pass port.
Corcerning THE SYSTEM ov 'Education'
This curriculum does not part knowledge ov the all but is corrupt and biased based on the reasoning that all other knowledge is wrong or unreal or unimportant. This programme ov education from childhood(winked) to adulthood truly warps and persecutes and rapes knowledge for the agenda ov the SYSTEM. And it is fact that the curriculum is altered after so many generations have been indoctrinated so that previous generations (now elderly adults having served an agenda) are left confused and frustrated. The new generation who are born into the SYSTEM will serve this new agenda via true-false teachings encompassed in the whole ov education ad infinite.
The moment will be upon them all when they hear the Cthulhu Call.
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