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Post by nyarlathotep2009 on Jun 20, 2008 15:47:38 GMT -6
Before this method can be utilized you must understand two universal truths.
1.) For every action (yin or yang) there is an equal and yet opposing reacting. This is referred to as the law of cause and effect.
Example: I go to a store which is twenty miles away. I buy what I want (groceries, electronic equipment, computer games, etc.). Then I go back outside and notice that I ony have half a tank of gas when I had 3/4 a tank when I left the house. Then I go to the local gas station and fill the tank all the way up.
Cause/Factor -> Needed groceries or wanted to buy something. Cause/Factor -> Low on gasoline. Effect/End Result -> Got the groceries or what I wanted to buy. Effect/End Result -> Took a trip to the gas station and bought some gasoline.
This law is known as the law of cause and effect and is also the secret of the gift of prophecy (aka pre-cognition). By taking into account all the variables in one's life, and applying the law of cause and effect a person can learn what is going to happen to them and then change it by simply making a choice regarding the situation after using this law to figure out what is going to happen so that they may bring about the desired end. When used in sync with dream interpretation, and then applying the wisdom from that dream, it can significantly alter one's reality.
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Post by baphomet on Jul 2, 2008 16:25:41 GMT -6
The whole philosophy of causality is actually quite complex, not to mention that new discoveries in quantum mechanics constantly redefining or doing away with our old everyday notions of "cause and effect".
Also... what is the second "universal truth". You listed the first one as being "For every action there is an equal yet opposing reaction" I'm sorry but I can think of many cases where this is not true. This law only applies on a macroscopic physical scale when dealing with predictable entities. Things like people and the weather are not entirely predictable, as there are too many variables.
Simply putting things into a "cause and effect" label starts to break down once real-world application and study begins. For example, say you fall down the stairs. What caused that? Was it the structure of the stairs themselves (technically yes) Your clumsiness (again, yes) but then again, couldn't it also be your genetics, the banana peel you missed, or a deadly curse that caused you to fall down the stairs? Again... yes. And if all these factors were removed, does that imply you wouldn't fall down the stairs? No, there's a possiblity you would fall because of something else, meaning that all aforementioned factors (architechture, clumsiness, ignorance) are not neccessarily causes, but just that - factors.
True reality is too vast, complicated, and interwoven for humans to be able to predict accurately what will happen all the time. We can use logic or intuition to combine known variables (unconscious variables, in the case of intuition) into a pattern that we use to try and predict what will happen next, but to know accurately, we would have to take in EVERY variable, which is nigh impossible because of our cognitive capacity and capabilities.
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Post by egodiabolus on Feb 15, 2009 17:19:06 GMT -6
While I agree with the premise that the "cause/effect" paradigm breaks down when we get beyond the scope of our local perception, what we are discussing is meant to be restricted to that scope and not applied beyond it. The title of this thread is "One method to alter YOUR reality", not "one method to alter reality". When discussing making changes about one's own perception and "reality", then measuring events in a "cause/effect" manner is one coping technique. I also agree that it would be impossible for a person to conciously engage every possible variable in any given event, but it would be fair to say that in many events, most of the factors that have the greatest potential effect on the event can be determined and managed. We may not be able to recognize and manage all the minutia around us that might impact an event, but most of what we are unable to manage or recognize also has minimal impact. By recognizing and managing the majority of the factors that have the greates potential impact on a given event in a "cause/effect" manner (again, when discussing simply our local perception and "reality"), we can increase the potential of our desired outcome for an event or limit the liklihood of an unfavorable outcome. That said, the "cause/effect" manner of dealing with the universe would require a truly terrific level of awareness and effort to be applied to all events that one deals with in a day. It may help us understand an event after the fact, especially if that event has impacted us in a manner that weighs heavilly on our minds, but if applied in a "real" time environment could lead to either hesitation in all action and missed opportunities or a constant process of over-evaluation. In a chaotic universe, it might sometimes be best to go with the flow.
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Post by nixx on Dec 13, 2009 6:11:53 GMT -6
I have to agree with that last statement, egodiabolus. When engineering reality, it is our will against the consensus will whenever we want to make a change, so the more our change generally goes with the flow of what the consensus is doing anyway (with minor modifications) the easier it is to make the change happen.
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Post by ph33ric on Feb 11, 2010 15:26:22 GMT -6
in our univears one of the laws are, what hapens next is directly based on what preiviously happend.
the A B C theory.
so if i want to drink water, it has to folow that theorem. I get up, pour water into a glass from a pool of water and then drink it.
the same theory can be used when predicting events. when i get that glass of water, i may spill it on my shirt, but having knowledge of this possible future i may act in a way that i do not end up spilling on my shirt, because not spilling and drinking the water also follows the abc theory.
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Post by egodiabolus on Feb 17, 2010 11:45:26 GMT -6
in our univears one of the laws are, what hapens next is directly based on what preiviously happend. the A B C theory. so if i want to drink water, it has to folow that theorem. I get up, pour water into a glass from a pool of water and then drink it. the same theory can be used when predicting events. when i get that glass of water, i may spill it on my shirt, but having knowledge of this possible future i may act in a way that i do not end up spilling on my shirt, because not spilling and drinking the water also follows the abc theory.
I understand the A-B-C cause and effect, but question its effectiveness in pre-determining future results.
In your example, you want a drink of water, acquire a glass, pour yourself a drink, and quench your thirst. Very simple and straight-forward. One would be aware of certain risks, based on experience, and would act to avoid any unpleasant results, like trying to breath while drinking, spilling the water, dropping the glass...
The problem with using this model for predicting future events is that it requires awareness of all the interacting elements to be effective. If one is dropping a ball on asphalt from a height of 2 meters, how does one predict the direction in which the ball will bounce? In the A-B-C model, in order to have any hope of predicting the outcome, you would need prior knowledge of the winds influence, how the grade and texture of the asphalt will effect the balls trajectory, how the surface of the ball that contacts the asphalt will influence it... minutia that would be maddening to try to be aware of.
Furthermore, the process leaves no room for unknown influences. A crazed-sniper might shoot the ball in mid-flight, for example, something that normally could not be predicted as an influence.
"Laws", as I discussed in another thread, are more accurately the predominate theories in which an event that proves the theory false has not yet been experienced. Gravity in our observable part of reality seems to behave (generally... there is data that proves otherwise) in a predictable manner. This does not mean that gravity behaves as it does here throughout reality. Until we have the omnipresence to observe all parts of reality there can be no true "laws".
But, again, we must keep things limited to our immediate scope. The A-B-C model works well locally, and can be used to understand the pattern of events after-the-fact quite clearly, but will prove to be often a disappointing method for predicting future events. One might argue that this is the method everyone uses constantly to evaluate and compensate for the various potentialities they might encounter daily, almost unconsciously, and it is the fallibility of this model that gives us a feeling of being out of control and needing a more reliable method of predicting events in our immediate future.
The answer seems to be awareness, what we strive for through the Work. We each walk with unconscious steps, having been lulled to sleep in this process by our mastery of it long ago. Because we walk without awareness, we often stumble, trip, or walk in a manner that is not efficient or even healthy (look at the people slouching down the causeways of your local market sometime to see what I mean). Greater than normal awareness of ourselves and our surroundings would lead to greater efficiency of our instinctive use of the A-B-C model, perhaps achieving a relative precognition in comparison to those who are not aware (The One-Eyed man is King).
Awareness also leads toward how we can influence more complex events than walking or drinking water. In situations were probability is less restricted to a certain set of parameters (the direction that a dropped ball will bounce, the influence of certain words on a persons emotional state) Occult Science has always suggested that the will of the individual can affect the outcome, something that mundane science is now researching as well. We "draw" certain influences toward ourselves, and in doing so we push-away other influences. The Work encourages us, through awareness and conscious choices in our behaviors, to select what we draw-in and what we push-away. This would increase our awareness of what elements are involved in our environment and lead to greater effectiveness in the A-B-C model of causality.
Cthulhu doesn't play dice, at least not without rigging the dice Himself.
Awake!
Ego Diabolus Priest of R'lyeh Cult of Cthulhu
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