Dimensional Unfolding

[dzepxich]

According to M-Theory, the 4 dimensions we experience are embedded in a multi dimensional space. Some of the other dimensions are described as "curled up tightly", & too small for us to notice.

If our 4-D space "unfolded" from a point of 0-D to it's current size, what if it gets "big" enough to be "thin" enough for one of the small ones to unfold?

How would we perceive or experience the "new" dimension? Would it be perceived as a physical direction or experienced like time, of a combination of both?

We can think about "imaginary" numbers & geometry, would the new dimension be the physical manifestation & unfolding of the imagination?

[Yahn'ikthorn]

That is a most interesting question... too bad I can't answer it

But if it were the "physical manifestation and unfolding of imagination", do we not in a certain fashion already perceive it, assuming our imagination & will really have effect upon what we perceive? And if we dissociate ourselves (whether through chemicals, meditation, both, or something else) and silence certain senses (touch and vision for example), in addition to our other senses being enhanced, could it not be possible that we gain "extra senses" because we kind of directly experience our imagination and other aspects of our mind such as the stream of consciousness? Time is a certain kind of stream, too. We can swim backwards and forwards in it if we want, although not necessarily in the physical body.

Could be mighty interesting to go skinny dipping in the stream of consciousness without anything else to distract from the experience... (actually I think I've done that many times but since that has usually happened while under the influence of dextromethorphan I can't remember shit about it... that's not the best possible tool for this since it can have some really nasty effects on your brain chemistry if you do it too much like I have)

[dzepxich]

That's exactly what I'm talking about. I think we do already perceive it, that's why it's possible to talk about it!

Our "senses" are brain phenomena, all electrical signals being "assembled" inside the brain to build a model of the world beyond the boundary layer (a personally important concept) of our skin.

Disassociation from sensory input does strengthen what's left, almost as if each person has a certain level of input that is most desirable & takes more data from what's left if one is lost. An S/D tank leaves only the imaginary input, after local time/space input is lost.

Perhaps "imaginary" space is just as physically "real" as our familiar 4/space, just so small that it doesn't physically interact with the 4/s we live in.

"Consciousness", as a non localized phenomena (no specific part of the brain can be found as the "center" of it), can visit these other dimensions (& move in them, like time) in a way our physical bodies cannot.

In my head, lol, it sounds like a Clive Barker story. "The realm of imagination unfolds from the world & society is changed forever." Some people would perceive it better than others, & be able to move further in the new direction. As a direction totally malleable to mind, they would appear to teleport from place to place & to change themselves into strange creatures.

[Yahn'ikthorn]

Gods, you have been warned! We're coming...

[iconoclasm]

I am amused by the idea of all of humanity's imaginations unfolding simultaneously and overlapping directly.

What would that be like?The true pinnacle of chaos?Would we then experience a multitude of reality models all at once?Would there be any differentiation between us at such a point?Would this be the ultimate manifestation of a god who can select choose which frame in reality from which to live?

Am I,are you such a god already?Is this then in fact the true self?Im hitting gnosis as I type this ironically.I'm sorry if i digressed.This then is a reality the true I chose to experience out of an everflowing continuum of overlapping models.As such there is no death but simply a different angle from which I chose to experience from.Imagination is real...everything I can think is real.And bypassing to that true self again I can live through the very perspective I imagined.... ...Shocking

I wonder ...would this be man's evolution.The idea of The Silver Key comes to mind again when the protagonist experience a multitude of angles of himself all at once before returning as an alien.I dunno if this relates though.

<--Chuckles to self

[baphomet]

A lot of what you're speculating, other dimensions "curled up" so that we cannot see them are ideas found in string theory.

And as far as how we'd "experience" them, well, if they just popped up, chances are we couldn't. Why? Because we never evolved to comprehend them. It's the same idea as if I suddenly introducing trigonometry to an ant colony- sure there's lots of new data they could use to better their understanding and manipulation of the world, but their minds are not evolved to comprehend it.

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Imagination as another dimension? You mean it isn't?

But seriously, in my opinion mind and matter are so fundamentally linked, that I can't think of a time when they're not linked... when does the external not affect the internal and vice versa?

It seems to me that imagination is more an extension of the mechanism that lets us percieve/interact with reality. In this sense, imagination is like a tool we evolved to help us survive, but instead of getting wings or claws we got mind. And with mind we can make planes and guns via symbol manipulation...

[Xor'Nefthrahm]

Dec 20, 2007 18:33:00 GMT -6 baphomet said:

A lot of what you're speculating, other dimensions "curled up" so that we cannot see them are ideas found in string theory.

And as far as how we'd "experience" them, well, if they just popped up, chances are we couldn't. Why? Because we never evolved to comprehend them. It's the same idea as if I suddenly introducing trigonometry to an ant colony- sure there's lots of new data they could use to better their understanding and manipulation of the world, but their minds are not evolved to comprehend it.

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Imagination as another dimension? You mean it isn't?

But seriously, in my opinion mind and matter are so fundamentally linked, that I can't think of a time when they're not linked... when does the external not affect the internal and vice versa?

It seems to me that imagination is more an extension of the mechanism that lets us percieve/interact with reality. In this sense, imagination is like a tool we evolved to help us survive, but instead of getting wings or claws we got mind. And with mind we can make planes and guns via symbol manipulation...

I read somewhere that when the native americans in south america first encountered our ships, they eiother saw europeans step from thin air, or some saw them disembark from the back of a great bird.. it is explained that because their minds at the time never saw anything like it, it either tried to render it in a form that they could understand, or not at all.... draw your own conclusions...

[amble]

I can't remember the name of the shape, but someone has it as their avatar pic on these forums. It's a cube inside a cube that turns itself inside out. Supposedly, according to some video i watched on youtube a while back, that is what the 4th dimension will be like. You can see all corners and sides of a shape regardless where you're looking at it from. This may well be the next step in evolution, giving us another sense to add to the collection.

[helmut]

That's called a "hypercube". In other terminology, it's a "tesseract".

Put simply, the human brain does indeed interact with all of the dimensions. It's perception that's the problem.

Within the brain is every memory. Eidetic memory is caused from a malformation in certain portions of memory centers in the anterior cortex. Notice I said malformation. The brain is not built to remember every detail, however, under hypnosis, every detail from every moment can be recalled in perfect detail!

This barring repressed memory, of course.

Of course, the earlier expression of M-theory is very watered down.

Space in a universal sense is not "curled up" and neither can it be "unfolded". Rifts and little dips in space-time are possibly made. These, when put together, could constitute something of that of sci-fi's "Wormholes", but these are neither stable nor practical.

Peter Carroll has theorized at a more applicable times of "sub-space" opening, however it does not account for placement or position. His theories are simply dealing with "propulsion".

Manipulating space-time is a simply idea, however. Magic is already doing such. Retroactive magic is a far further-reaching manipulation and helps destroy the idea of the "Arrow of Time".

My suggestion is that sensory deprivation could be used to achieve extra-dimensional awareness.

But you'd go insane. On the other hand, there could be worse things.

I can't really theorize at the evolution of the human brain or the evolution of human society, because these things are unpredictable and would be the only thing that could do such as the OP describes.

[devon]

No, you will not go insane unless you have kind of predisposition to insanity. I do not have a this predisposition to any psychosis so when I came back I was perfectly intact. Now, the experience in its self was not something I wish to repeat - to say the least. I would however desire to experience the "oneness" on a no fear-based encounter.

It really depends on how one enters into it. If one enters with a still mind, in acceptance I heard the outcome can be overwhelmingly positive. This takes a few years of diligently practicing mindfulness through out day to day existence, letting go of silly non-important issues. reducing inner chatter to base thoughts and so forth. In short moving further from fear and closer to freedom.

If entered with resistance and fear one will feel as though they are being dissolved, or eaten.

Some folks experience the divine either by drug consumption, esoteric practice, or vie an unprovoked spontaneous means. The process of this descent, or ascent - is the disintegration of all the symbols which we are accustomed to living with, utilizing for survival mechanisms. These symbols are man's separation ( our filter) from the mind at large. The negative experience is not so much to do with the burning away off the man-mind but man's struggle to hold onto what can not possibly be held onto. So yes, to a person who enters the wrong way, who is not ready it feels like the bowels of insanity. Of coarse we are not the external trappings that the fire consumes, we are an essence of self, and this can not be obliterated as it has no stipulations, existing as a singular unit.

I think the reason we are not permanently insane after the encounter with the hellish side of divinity is due to the body. I believe our body is the buddle of energy which keeps ups anchored in a specific frame-reference of the continuum. This is also why those that experience the heavenly side are not enlightened. I think it requires many visitations to the mind at large/ divinity - to have it permanently affect us one way or the other.